Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXII: Stepping up in a Perfect Storm?

[BobMarleyNYR]

The only way I'm giving up a blue chipper in a package for Eichel is if Buffalo retains some salary. Even if Eichel is playing lights out, his $10 million cap hit is a detriment to his trade value and the team acquiring him.

I would not give up Lundkvist and Kravstov for Eichel at his full cap hit. For Eichel at an $7.5 million cap hit for the next 6 years? I would hate it but I think I'd do it.

Fortunately, you will never have anything to worry about because it wouldn't happen.

 

[I Eat Crow]

You would probably have to deal Kreider before getting him in the same room as Torts.

They never got a long.

Torts: not 'crazy' about Kreider recall

This isn't going to be popular, but in hindsight, Tortorella is right. Kreider is a 6'3" 220 lb freak of nature and doesn't nearly use that frame enough to his advantage.

 

[effen]

This isn't going to be popular, but in hindsight, Tortorella is right. Kreider is a 6'3" 220 lb freak of nature and doesn't nearly use that frame enough to his advantage.

It's almost like a players style is largely inherent and a coach can't just manifest them into whatever they demand.

 

[effen]

The biggest disservice the Rangers did to Brett Howden was not sending him down to Hartford at any point over the last 3 seasons when it was clear he needed time to work on his game there

I got roasted pretty hard for suggesting none of Andersson, Chytil, or Howden start that first year off with the big club after a pretty middling preseason from all 3. They would all probably be 'ready' now.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Torts isn't a good coach anymore. His style of coaching is to grind the players down physically and mentally until they can no longer lift their heads or skate, or they realize that they hate him and they no longer care to play for him (We've already seen that first hand, that entire team dropped a dime on Torts after the loss in 2013. Kinda rare that a coach gets fired after taking a team into the second round but that's how much the players disliked him). Anyone care to remember our playoffs history under Torts? Every series went 7 games (unless of course we were losing in 5) and by the time we got to that Devils series our players heads were duct taped on like the bird Lloyd gives to the blind kid in Dumb and Dumber. Since he's left us 8 years ago he's won exactly one playoff series, and he's right on schedule to be losing another team. f*** that guy, he is absolutely the wrong guy to be coaching the team as assembled and drafted. Let the myth of Torts the Conqueror die the death it needs to.

This team doesn't need a task master, they need someone with a clue and a plan.

 

[Synergy27]

Torts isn't a good coach anymore. His style of coaching is to grind the players down physically and mentally until they can no longer lift their heads or skate, or they realize that they hate him and they no longer care to play for him (We've already seen that first hand, that entire team dropped a dime on Torts after the loss in 2013. Kinda rare that a coach gets fired after taking a team into the second round but that's how much the players disliked him). Anyone care to remember our playoffs history under Torts? Every series went 7 games (unless of course we were losing in 5) and by the time we got to that Devils series our players heads were duct taped on like the bird Lloyd gives to the blind kid in Dumb and Dumber. Since he's left us 8 years ago he's won exactly one playoff series, and he's right on schedule to be losing another team. f*** that guy, he is absolutely the wrong guy to be coaching the team as assembled and drafted. Let the myth of Torts the Conqueror die the death it needs to.

This team doesn't need a task master, they need someone with a clue and a plan.

The fact that you know Torts will take whatever team he’s handed and cram it directly into the same weathered mold he’s been carrying with him for years is enough for me to stay away completely.

The team he had here was perfect for that and he got it to peak. Circumstances couldn’t be more different today.

 

[Avery16]

Look what Georgiev started

 

[Alluckks]

I'd like to trade or some of our extra forwards for a defenseman worthy of using our last expansion protection slot on

 

[Vitto79]

I'd like to trade or some of our extra forwards for a defenseman worthy of using our last expansion protection slot on

makes sense cause right now it’s Hajek
Tony D really screwed us and himself over

 

[Vitto79]

I hope Traktor has a nice long run in the KHL playoffs because tbh I don’t want Kravstov near this team right now

lol well it did cross my mind that Blackwell would get more minutes

 

[wafflepadsave]

Where have we seen a nasty streak from Miller? I would be thrilled if he has some edge to his game. But from what I’ve seen so far he is not interested at all in mixing it up.

Which is something that the Rangers franchise has valued since I can remember.

 

[wafflepadsave]

This isn't going to be popular, but in hindsight, Tortorella is right. Kreider is a 6'3" 220 lb freak of nature and doesn't nearly use that frame enough to his advantage.

That’s because he’s 10% concert pianist.

 

[Kovalev27]

Getting Chytil back is going to be huge for this team

 

[jay from jersey]

Trading Eichel at 10m cap hit in the middle of a season is impossible.

Him playing like crud to force a move is really hurting Sabres ability to get fair value because acquiring that cap hit is very difficult for the acquiring team. Sabres would likely get more if they could wait for the offseason.

If I'm the Rangers i'm offering Kravtsov, Jones, 2021 1st round pick, but we'd also have to send version of Strome, TDA, Buch or Brendan Smith somewhere too. Whether also in that package

Would never happen. It’s an end of season move at earliest. Most likely at the draft when the draft positions are hammered out. That first would be a very important piece to the Sabres and they would want to do their due diligence and know where it lies. Especially if they go full rebuild and get another 1 for hall.

 

[SA16]

Trading Eichel at 10m cap hit in the middle of a season is impossible.

Him playing like crud to force a move is really hurting Sabres ability to get fair value because acquiring that cap hit is very difficult for the acquiring team. Sabres would likely get more if they could wait for the offseason.

If I'm the Rangers i'm offering Kravtsov, Jones, 2021 1st round pick, but we'd also have to send version of Strome, TDA, Buch or Brendan Smith somewhere too. Whether also in that package

Is Jack Eichel playing poorly or does he just have a bad shooting percentage? Let's check the numbers! (I have no idea what they are but 99% of the time this narrative comes out it is shooting percentage).

18-19: 7.9% at 5v5
19-20: 12.4%
20-21...3.%

On ice shooting %
18-19: 8.9%
19-20: 10%
20-21....4.7%

Yep. Shocker. Just having bad luck. Also has a 55 CF% (best of his career) and 60 xGF% (best of his career). It works out like this every time. Counting stats are low so we now need to make a story around them that goes along with him wanting out and such. Next thing is you'll have the articles written explaining why his low sh% is actually sustainable because he's not getting to good areas and is taking too many bad shots. They'll never mention that even if that is true the numbers are still unreasonable as 3% iSH% would be good for 3rd worst in the league the last 3 years around guys like Justin Abdelkader, Tobias Rider, Jay Beagle, Ryan Carpenter, and David Backes (and same for the 4.7% on ice)

 

[DutchShamrock]

This feels like the Rick Nash trade drama. Wing. NMC, $7.8m (11.1% of the cap), 28 years old, 6 years left. Eichel is 24, center, $10m (12.25%), 5 years left. Some things drag down value, but age and position raise it more. I would expect a better package than Dubinsky, Anisimov, Ericson and a 1st.

We don't have two Chytils which is basically the current comparison to the two NHLers we sent in the deal. Buchnevich? We don't have many forwards that have value and no clauses. Chytil isn't as good but he has a lower cap and more upside left.

I am extremely reluctant to include Nils. His impact on an entry level deal should be massive. Take Fox's impact at the price when Fox gets his next deal which would replace ADA'S hit. Any other defensive prospect is doable for me.

The first here is the great equalizer. Eichel has more value but our 1st is exponentially more valuable than our 1st in the Nash deal.

Chytil, Buch, Schneider and a 1st. It feels fair. But has anyone returned that besides the first Duchesne deal? Are there more historical examples that exceed this or fall short?

I'm way more conservative in building than many here or even Gorton. I want to keep accumulating assets. Trade our glut for another team's glut. Pluck an up and comer. The Kings have too many centers. Especially if they land Eichel. Go that route. It's not an indictment of Eichel. Just my preference.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I'd trade Zibanejad in a separate deal and then use some of those assets from the return+our own for Eichel.

You don't need super studs down the middle to win though. It's a nice to have, not a must. We have more pressing holes on this team tbh.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

It admittedly sounds a bit crazy and is therefore unrealistic to say Chytil is off-limits in an Eichel trade, but if he is included what is the plan at C?

Eichel means no Zibanejad. Org center dept +Eichel but -Zibanejad -Chytil would be even weaker if improved at the high end.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Getting Chytil back is going to be huge for this team

Panarin wouldn't hurt either.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

If you arent willing to part with one of Fox, Lafreniere or Kakko, stop talking about aquiring Eichel, Buffalo needs a homerun or they arent moving him

 

[JohnC]

The Nash trade may have made a big dent in our depth, but man that was a good trade for the Rangers.

I trade that package for Nash everyday and twice on Sunday's, even with all the flaws that came from injuries.

 

[CommaSynapse]

It admittedly sounds a bit crazy and is therefore unrealistic to say Chytil is off-limits in an Eichel trade, but if he is included what is the plan at C?

Eichel means no Zibanejad. Org center dept +Eichel but -Zibanejad -Chytil would be even weaker if improved at the high end.

The way he’s playing, Zib wouldn’t get a massive contract if this keeps up through next year.

I don’t see Howden realistically being a 3C, and I figure Blackwell will probably be gone.

Who’s left? Barron? Richards? Khodo?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Last night I was looking to find examples of trades similar to Eichel and there’s not a ton of recent examples where the guy is in the middle of a long term deal. Nash is one, Seguin, Kessel, maybe Ryan o Reilly and Colorado in that category

The price to acquire Eichel is going to hurt, but it’s not gonna be anywhere near what some people expect. Some folks are talking about 3/4 blue chip prospects/players, that’s not happening

Chytil is probably a requirement in any deal. If Columbus was asking for him in a deal for PLD, Buffalo will do the same. Lundkvist is also probably a given, he’s one of the best defensive prospects in the world.

From there it depends on how realistic Buffalo wants to be.

 

[Trxjw]

It admittedly sounds a bit crazy and is therefore unrealistic to say Chytil is off-limits in an Eichel trade, but if he is included what is the plan at C?

Eichel means no Zibanejad. Org center dept +Eichel but -Zibanejad -Chytil would be even weaker if improved at the high end.

Zib gets dealt to recoup some of the pieces lost in the Eichel trade. Hopefully he could return something similar to the deal he originally came to us in. Something like Glass, a body, and a pick from Vegas if Zib agrees to extend there.

As good as Chytil was looking prior to going down, our center depth is still Zib, Strome, Chytil. So Strome can at least be that buffer for another season if necessary, even if it's not an ideal situation.

That all being said, this team may ultimately look to move on from the high-priced centers of the world and try to find guys who can compliment what they have developing on the wings. Eichel is elite and would be a nice add but is he a necessary one? One could make the argument that this team really needs a Bergeron or Toews more than an Eichel.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Custance has an article on the Athletic this morning talking about the deadline and he has a quote from an anonymous NHL executive that thinks Eichel will end up in NY, it’s just a matter of when

“I think at the end of the day, Jack Eichel is going to end up a New York Ranger,” predicted one executive. “I just don’t know when that’s going to be.”

But not everybody is convinced the Rangers should be the front-runner if Eichel hits the market. One source pointed out that they don’t have the high-end center it would take for an Eichel trade to make sense for the Sabres. Instead, he thought the Kings were a better match.

“LA is a team that people should be looking long and hard with (Quinton) Byfield, (Alex) Turcotte and plenty of other pieces,” he said. “And does Buffalo really want to play against this guy a bunch every year or do they want him in the Western Conference?”