Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXI

[NYRangers16]

They don't but what value does Rooney have to this team other than a 13th forward?

Is it possible he's one of those late bloomers like a Jason Ward, John Mitchell, PA Parenteu, or even Paul Carey that the Rangers have done pretty well with over the last 15-16 years?

Sure, but it's more likely he's Greg McKeg 2.0

Rooney plays the PK...really really well. Unlike McKegg

 

[SA16]

They don't but what value does Rooney have to this team other than a 13th forward?

Is it possible he's one of those late bloomers like a Jason Ward, John Mitchell, PA Parenteu, or even Paul Carey that the Rangers have done pretty well with over the last 15-16 years?

Sure, but it's more likely he's Greg McKeg 2.0

He doesn't provide a lot of value but he is a good defensive player and a good PKer.

Rooney plays the PK...really really well. Unlike McKegg

McKegg isn't great on the PK but he's a good you win with in the playoffs. Plays very hard and will hit anything that comes near him. Did you see him in that series for Carolina against the Islanders a couple of years ago?

 

[NYSPORTS]

It's certainly possible. Even Covid can cause it.

More than half of patients studied who had COVID-19 were found to have ongoing cardiac inflammation. A growing number of studies suggest many COVID-19 survivors experience some type of heart damage, even if they didn't have underlying heart disease and weren't sick enough to be hospitalized.

that is really scary. This new strain is spreading so hoping many remain low until vaccinated. We’re close but not out of the woods until we are.

 

[NYSPORTS]

He and Barron should get very long looks in camp.

. . . for 10 days

 

[NYSPORTS]

Competition is great, but I’m not sure that the guys competing are of high enough quality. Time will tell, but I’m really not wildly optimistic about this bottom 6. I’m not sold on Chytil as a center yet, and that 3rd line RW spot could be an issue. I’m also not sure that they adequately addressed the PK situation. I get they are tight vs the cap but I would’ve liked to see them add a value contract or two via free agency on a short deal or trade.

i think we’ll see better stability on the back 6 by 2022. I think there will be a lot of trial, error and development until then.

 

[Vitto79]

i think we’ll see better stability on the back 6 by 2022. I think there will be a lot of trial, error and development until then.

pretty much . Reaunanen and Hajek have to show what they got or it’s stop gap Smith, JJ, Bibetto

set with 4 D . Next year more of Miller and Jones /Robertson coming soon

it’s a lot deeper next year

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Quinn and the team is actually in an interesting situation with the LWs.

I think stacking LW makes the most sense.

I wouldn't shift the Hart finalist out of position

I wouldn't shift the 1OA 18 year old out of position...need to make him as comfortable as possible.

and lastly the idea of Kreider whose hands already leave much to be desired having to spend more time catching and making passes on his backhand seems doomed to failure. If his transition ability gets hampered his game loses a lot pretty quickly.

 

[Fitzy]

Quinn and the team is actually in an interesting situation with the LWs.

I think stacking LW makes the most sense.

I wouldn't shift the Hart finalist out of position

I wouldn't shift the 1OA 18 year old out of position...need to make him as comfortable as possible.

and lastly the idea of Kreider whose hands already leave much to be desired having to spend more time catching and making passes on his backhand seems doomed to failure. If his transition ability gets hampered his game loses a lot pretty quickly.

I agree with all this, meaning whatever poor bastard ends up at 4th line LW (Lemieux?) Is gonna play about 4 minutes a game. Better start teaching him to PK.

 

[GAGLine]

and lastly the idea of Kreider whose hands already leave much to be desired having to spend more time catching and making passes on his backhand seems doomed to failure. If his transition ability gets hampered his game loses a lot pretty quickly.

Kreider scored this goal against Carolina:



If nothing else, moving him to RW forces him to use a different move than his standard skate left to right, go wide and try to score on the backhand.

Also consider that Kreider often receives passes off the boards to his back hand. If he's playing on the right side, those passes will now be on his forehand, so it may work even better (assuming we have someone who can make that pass).

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I for one at excited to see the inevitable Brett Howden at 3RW experiment to occur when he doesn’t even belong in the NHL, let alone the third line

 

[Avery16]

Kreider scored this goal against Carolina:



If nothing else, moving him to RW forces him to use a different move than his standard skate left to right, go wide and try to score on the backhand.

Also consider that Kreider often receives passes off the boards to his back hand. If he's playing on the right side, those passes will now be on his forehand, so it may work even better (assuming we have someone who can make that pass).

If he crashed the net more like he used to, it wouldn't matter from what angle he was coming.

 

[Avery16]

 

[NYSPORTS]

Kreider scored this goal against Carolina:



If nothing else, moving him to RW forces him to use a different move than his standard skate left to right, go wide and try to score on the backhand.

Also consider that Kreider often receives passes off the boards to his back hand. If he's playing on the right side, those passes will now be on his forehand, so it may work even better (assuming we have someone who can make that pass).

would be nice if Kreider could play RW. Changes so much

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Kreider scored this goal against Carolina:



If nothing else, moving him to RW forces him to use a different move than his standard skate left to right, go wide and try to score on the backhand.

Also consider that Kreider often receives passes off the boards to his back hand. If he's playing on the right side, those passes will now be on his forehand, so it may work even better (assuming we have someone who can make that pass).

FWIW trying Kreider on the right is what I would try first. But I would use that exact goal to support the point I was making. That goal IMO is made possible by him catching the puck in stride on his forehand from the left...the quick burst in the neutral zone is how he is able to get the jump on the D and produce that chance. That is what could be hampered playing RW.

 

[Levitate]

Kreider scored this goal against Carolina:



If nothing else, moving him to RW forces him to use a different move than his standard skate left to right, go wide and try to score on the backhand.

Also consider that Kreider often receives passes off the boards to his back hand. If he's playing on the right side, those passes will now be on his forehand, so it may work even better (assuming we have someone who can make that pass).

I feel like coaches in the past have tried Kreider on the right with this same kind of reasoning and it did not pay immediate dividends. But I think the trouble is that it's unlikely a player just switches and is immediately comfortable, they'd need time to get used to it and NHL coaches don't usually have the patience for that, so if it doesn't work real quick they aren't going to stick with it.

 

[Mikos87]

I don't think I ever saw Chris play the right side. Not a difficult shift, but I think back to what Jacques had back in the day with OTT with Alfredson, Hossa, and Havlat on the right side.

That team was very successful by having three scoring wings on 3 different lines. You got a mismatch every couple of shifts. To me that's the competitive advantage.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

FWIW trying Kreider on the right is what I would try first. But I would use that exact goal to support the point I was making. That goal IMO is made possible by him catching the puck in stride on his forehand from the left...the quick burst in the neutral zone is how he is able to get the jump on the D and produce that chance. That is what could be hampered playing RW.

This is why if they're going to move anyone over, it will probably be Lafreniere who can catch pucks and make plays off his back hand.

Panarin could make sense too as he'd be moving to his strong side.

Eh whatever, they'll figure it out.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don't think I ever saw Chris play the right side. Not a difficult shift, but I think back to what Jacques had back in the day with OTT with Alfredson, Hossa, and Havlat on the right side.

That team was very successful by having three scoring wings on 3 different lines. You got a mismatch every couple of shifts. To me that's the competitive advantage.

He played quite a bit of it last season with mixed results.

I still think the smartest play is to pair Kreider and Buchnevich with Chytil while letting Lafreniere and whom ever wants to step up and grab a top 9 spot ride along with Zibanejad.

 

[Leetch3]

don't move anyone out of position...if lafreniere shows he is ready for the top 6. then drop kreider down to play with chytil. it would be great for chytil and the balance/depth without forcing anyone out of position for no reason

 

[RangerBoy]

Kreider scored this goal against Carolina:



If nothing else, moving him to RW forces him to use a different move than his standard skate left to right, go wide and try to score on the backhand.

Also consider that Kreider often receives passes off the boards to his back hand. If he's playing on the right side, those passes will now be on his forehand, so it may work even better (assuming we have someone who can make that pass).

That Kreider contract will haunt the Rangers sooner rather than later. Elliotte Friedman said the players will owe the owners more than one billion dollars. The cap will be flat for the entirety of this new CBA. 7 YEARS at $81.5M. December 12 podcast. The Rangers made the deal before Covid became bad in the U.S. 20/20 hindsight. The world changed 2-3 weeks later. The cap was supposed to go up after the new NHL TV deal. Another expansion team in Seattle. None of that will help the cap.

 

[Thirty One]

That Kreider contract will haunt the Rangers sooner rather than later. Elliotte Friedman said the players will owe the owners more than one billion dollars. The cap will be flat for the entirety of this new CBA. 7 YEARS at $81.5M. December 12 podcast. The Rangers made the deal before Covid became bad in the U.S. 20/20 hindsight. The world changed 2-3 weeks later. The cap was supposed to go up after the new NHL TV deal. Another expansion team in Seattle. None of that will help the cap.

Another expansion team in Seattle!?! They were just awarded one!

 

[duhmetreE]

That Kreider contract will haunt the Rangers sooner rather than later. Elliotte Friedman said the players will owe the owners more than one billion dollars. The cap will be flat for the entirety of this new CBA. 7 YEARS at $81.5M. December 12 podcast. The Rangers made the deal before Covid became bad in the U.S. 20/20 hindsight. The world changed 2-3 weeks later. The cap was supposed to go up after the new NHL TV deal. Another expansion team in Seattle. None of that will help the cap.

highly unlikely.

There's possible scenarios where there's no attendance for a LONG time and/or revenue does not recover for 7 years. But I don't see it. If companies like the UFC can have record revenue, it's possible to bring it in, you just have to get creative.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

The Rangers made the deal before Covid became bad in the U.S. 20/20 hindsight.

I mean plenty of people said the deal was bad before the pandemic

Now, instead of it being a possibility of the contract being a boat anchor, it’s a certainty

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The cap won’t stay flat for 7 years.

once the world returns to normalcy, it’ll rise.

 

[Vitto79]

The cap won’t stay flat for 7 years.

once the world returns to normalcy, it’ll rise.

and this years taxi squad saves teams like 1-5-2 million ish if they carry the min on paper