Speculation: Roster Building Thread LVIII: At part 58, I am out of titles.

[kovazub94]

you 100% need those type of players but names and strome already make too much $$ and fast will most likely make too much on his next contract that they will no longer make sense in those roles under the cap.

if you are paying big $$ to your top end guys then you need to develop those utility/role players to fill them with cheaper contracts.

Absolutely compensation will be a major part of the decision. Gut feeling but I could see Strome or Fast taking a team friendly deal. Strome more so.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

It’s funny, I see no part of this whatsoever

What do you expect to happen? I don't expect them to sign a veteran center, I expect them to use Chytil, Andersson, Howden , Nieves, Strome as centers. But the other point, do you expect them to sell at the deadline again? Despite the fact that multiple sources have said the don't want to do that for a 3rd straight season.

Even if they're not going to be a playoff team next year, it's time for the new core to start building together and growing as a team. They might not be a playoff team yet but they're not in the strip it and sell it mode anymore either, it's quite clear with the moves made this offseason that they're out of that stage of the rebuild and into the next stage (growing) of it. Like JD says, it's a build. Time to start building the group together and growing.

Ideally this new core of Zibanejad, Panarin, Trouba, Skjei, Kakko, Kravtsov, Chytil, Andersson and Howden matures together and grows further as players this season. I think the ideal scenario will see them playing better as the season goes on, have a great second half and push for a playoff spot, whether they make it or not will not matter as much as them growing, showing signs for positivity going forward and clear upward trajectory. Another sell off, which clearly demoralized the group as a whole both of the last two seasons, is not something that I think Gorton wants to do at all.

 

[JimmyG89]

What is there to sell? Not much on the roster that would be getting moved out anyway. Most of the roster is going to be guys that they are expecting to be on the team for at least the next 5 years.

 

[Leetch3]

Absolutely compensation will be a major part of the decision. Gut feeling but I could see Strome or Fast taking a team friendly deal. Strome more so.

I like them both as bottom 6 depth guys if they are willing to do that

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

If the Rangers are not in playoff contention in a February, he will be available and he may be resigned afterwards.

I think you and many others here are underestimating the respect Fast has in the organization. There is an excellent chance he will be here in 2020-21 and beyond.

We heard the same about Zuccarello

 

[SA16]

Jesper Fast will be here in 2020-21 and beyond. Except he now wears number 50.

 

[kovazub94]

And a general tip for everyone; probably time to stop making blanket assumptions that there will be another trade deadline sell off.

It’s more likely than not that the Rangers will be in striking distance of the playoffs in February. As I see it, Namestnikov is the one piece who may be available because I can’t see trading his contract now and I doubt if he will resign that early for less $.

If Fast could return a 2nd rounder I don’t think it would matter.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I mean you run into the occasional wonky shit in here, but holy f*** do I appreciate this place after deep diving into NYR Twitter.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I mean you run into the occasional wonky **** in here, but holy **** do I appreciate this place after deep diving into NYR Twitter.

Totally agree. In most instances twitter and reddit have put message boards out of heavy usage, but for some reason HF remains like the best place to discuss hockey online. Even with crazy mainboard people and stuff.

 

[Zibanejbread]

I probably have that person on ignore. Can I bother you to repost it?

 

[GAGLine]

Thanks.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Totally agree. In most instances twitter and reddit have put message boards out of heavy usage, but for some reason HF remains like the best place to discuss hockey online. Even with crazy mainboard people and stuff.

The knowledge level of HF is 100x greater than Reddit, and I hate the upvote/downvote system which encourages an echo chamber where people just regurgitate whatever the popular opinion is because otherwise they’ll be downvoted to oblivion, and then people can’t even see/reply to their post; so there is no interesting dialogue. Twitter has character limits and Reddit lists threads in order of when threads were started rather than when the last post was, thus you don’t get the lengthy back & forth dialogue on topics where people analyze things long after they were originally posted, instead it’s all clickbait and on to whatever the next breaking story is. Also I prefer the layout of forums where we all have profile pictures & our little bio’s there, Reddit feels like a bunch of strangers whereas we have a sort of community.

 

[Kovalev27]

On another subject I gotta tell you I’m watching the breadman doing back flips off a yacht in Capri and then seeing video of Hank in the locker room on a Friday after skating god know how long looking about 50 years old and I have to wonder. Should this guy be on the ice already? Shouldn’t he still be taking it easy? It’s mid July. Even if he ramped it up to start August like should he really be in full pads taking pucks butterflying right now? This is part of his problem at this point in his career he burns out quickly. He started ok then ran out of gas. He wants to play every game and god love him for that. But he can’t anymore and frankly when he doesn’t and he has to sit it hurts him too. But I can’t imagine him really needing to be out there skating right now in full gear taking pucks.

I know half of you will say that’s what makes him a hall of famer and yes that IS what MADE him a hall of famer. That work ethic but he is not 25 or even 30 anymore and you can’t as a goalie push that hard playing that style it’s terrible on your body.

I think sometimes his intensity is his own worst enemy.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

On another subject I gotta tell you I’m watching the breadman doing back flips off a yacht in Capri and then seeing video of Hank in the locker room on a Friday after skating god know how long looking about 50 years old and I have to wonder. Should this guy be on the ice already? Shouldn’t he still be taking it easy? It’s mid July. Even if he ramped it up to start August like should he really be in full pads taking pucks butterflying right now? This is part of his problem at this point in his career he burns out quickly. He started ok then ran out of gas. He wants to play every game and god love him for that. But he can’t anymore and frankly when he doesn’t and he has to sit it hurts him too. But I can’t imagine him really needing to be out there skating right now in full gear taking pucks.

I know half of you will say that’s what makes him a hall of famer and yes that IS what MADE him a hall of famer. That work ethic but he is not 25 or even 30 anymore and you can’t as a goalie push that hard playing that style it’s terrible on your body.

I think sometimes his intensity is his own worst enemy.

I doubt hes doing anything super intense.

These light sessions in the middle of summer are nothing to worry about. He wore out last year because Quinn rode him into the ground during the 1st half of the season.

That shouldn't be the case this upcoming season.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The knowledge level of HF is 100x greater than Reddit, and I hate the upvote/downvote system which encourages an echo chamber where people just regurgitate whatever the popular opinion is because otherwise they’ll be downvoted to oblivion, and then people can’t even see/reply to their post; so there is no interesting dialogue. Twitter has character limits and Reddit lists threads in order of when threads were started rather than when the last post was, thus you don’t get the lengthy back & forth dialogue on topics where people analyze things long after they were originally posted, instead it’s all clickbait and on to whatever the next breaking story is. Also I prefer the layout of forums where we all have profile pictures & our little bio’s there, Reddit feels like a bunch of strangers whereas we have a sort of community.

I mean thats rough, but I literally wasted a minute reading some one argue how Kreider isn't worth Tolvanen or a 1st round pick (And this was coming from a Ranger fan!)

I mean thats main board level stuff if Preds fans were Habs fans.

 

[Tob]

The knowledge level of HF is 100x greater than Reddit, and I hate the upvote/downvote system which encourages an echo chamber where people just regurgitate whatever the popular opinion is because otherwise they’ll be downvoted to oblivion, and then people can’t even see/reply to their post; so there is no interesting dialogue. Twitter has character limits and Reddit lists threads in order of when threads were started rather than when the last post was, thus you don’t get the lengthy back & forth dialogue on topics where people analyze things long after they were originally posted, instead it’s all clickbait and on to whatever the next breaking story is. Also I prefer the layout of forums where we all have profile pictures & our little bio’s there, Reddit feels like a bunch of strangers whereas we have a sort of community.

and we're simply more intelligent and naturally gifted.

 

[Jackpot]

I doubt hes doing anything super intense.

These light sessions in the middle of summer are nothing to worry about. He wore out last year because Quinn rode him into the ground during the 1st half of the season.

That shouldn't be the case this upcoming season.

Quinn didn't run him into the ground, the lack of possession and wonky defense took care of that all by itself...

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Quinn didn't run him into the ground, the lack of possession and wonky defense took care of that all by itself...

True, but he also started 31 of the first 41 games...

He isn't a guy who can carry that kind of load anymore.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Quinn didn't run him into the ground, the lack of possession and wonky defense took care of that all by itself...

I think his issues the second half of the year last season were mental moreso than physical.

Quinn did ride Hank for a bit but I really think he started to play like crap when the team lost every close game they were in, started to fall out of the race and the whole mood around the team from like January on was basically resigned to the fact that there'd be another sell off. I think that really took a toll on him, he said as much himself.

I really think Hank is going to be much better this season. I think adding Trouba and Panarin will not only make the team better but it will mentally energize him and maybe when they hit a skid next season that feeling of despair won't be there anymore bc now they have a young solid core instead of vets on their way out.

 

[Avery16]

Cant wait until it happens so we can all watch you crawl into your little hole.

#futureislanderfan

Why would you become an islanders fan? Things aren’t that bad!

 

[Kovalev27]

He’s in full pads and soaked. And is looking older and older and skinnier and skinnier The simple movements in dropping and getting up from the butterfly are not natural. It’s just more mileage on the body that frankly he needs to cut back on. It’s not even mid July he played in the world championships and he’s already back out there skating and taking pucks. He’s almost 38. Go swim in the pool and have a few months off.

 

[RangerBoy]

Mike Russo had a few Rangers related items in his mailbag.

The Wild seem to have an obvious excess of left wings. What are the chances they flip a young up and coming left wing like Greenway for a similar right wing on another team to balance things out? If so, any potential teams, players that would fit this?
— Greg H.

Eventually, maybe. Immediately, don’t see it. I would think Greenway is somebody they’d want to try to build around. If it were ever Greenway and David Quinn was still coaching the Rangers, New York would be an obvious potential destination. Quinn, who is very tight with Fenton, is like a father figure to Greenway from their days together at Boston University. In fact, Quinn surprised Greenway by attending his NHL debut in Nashville two seasons ago.

The Rangers could be in the market for a LW.

I’m not saying the Wild should have signed Wayne Simmonds, however I like Wayne at $5 million for one year more than I like Zuccarello at $6 million for five years. I know you reported the Wild were interested in Simmonds. Why the change to (Zuccarello) at such a high number/term?
— Andrew S.

Because Fenton likes Zuccarello’s game on a long-term deal a lot more than Simmonds, who at the time was talking to the Wild about a long-term deal. Once the Wild went a different direction, Simmonds had no choice but to bet on himself after a down year and sign for the one year. But don’t mistake the fact that just because he got one year from New Jersey that it means he would have gotten one year from Minnesota.

Fenton has long liked Zuccarello’s game. He feared Simmonds was breaking down, where Zuccarello, even at 32 at the start of the season, hasn’t shown signs of suddenly not being able to skate. He wanted the player and to get him had to give him the fifth year. He was only being offered four by teams like Dallas before free agency and Columbus during the courting period.

Minnesota was the only team offering five years. Good luck to them.

 

[Alfie Solomons]

He’s in full pads and soaked. And is looking older and older and skinnier and skinnier The simple movements in dropping and getting up from the butterfly are not natural. It’s just more mileage on the body that frankly he needs to cut back on. It’s not even mid July he played in the world championships and he’s already back out there skating and taking pucks. He’s almost 38. Go swim in the pool and have a few months off.

Is it possible Lundqvist knows the limits of his own body Vs. You?

How do you know how hard he worked out on the ice?

How do you know how many times a week he does on ice training?

Is it possible you have no idea what you are talking about?

You should be embarrassed by your post. It is embarrassing to be in the same fandom as someone who is questioning the off ice training of Lundqvist without any context of his training.

 

[Kovalev27]

Is it possible Lundqvist knows the limits of his own body Vs. You?

How do you know how hard he worked out on the ice?

How do you know how many times a week he does on ice training?

Is it possible you have no idea what you are talking about?

You should be embarrassed by your post. It is embarrassing to be in the same fandom as someone who is questioning the off ice training of Lundqvist without any context of his training.

No

And I stopped reading after the first question

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Uh oh. Someone didn’t blow roses up Hank’s ass, after him!!