Speculation: Roster Building Thread LIX: To trade or not to trade CK?

[mas0764]

From a production standpoint, the stat line expectation would 25-30 goals, and 80-90 points for Panarin --- generally speaking.

Damn, we are really over a barrel now because of having to trade Namestnikov and his 30 points.

#skyisfalling

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Teammate of Boo Nieves at Michigan, but he sucks. Hartford signing.

 

[mas0764]

Why move Buch if they don’t want to commit to Kreider

Shoulda moved Kreider at the draft for the highest bidder. I like him but you can’t give him big dollars after signing Panarin. I can’t imagine the package the team may get at the deadline would be better than at the draft

Everyone knows the Rangers are in a bind, why pay top dollar for Kreider to help them cap wise

Why move Buch if they don’t want to commit to Kreider? Because long term neither one is likely in our top 6. Our wings moving forward are Panarin, Kakko, Keavtsov, and probably either Chytil or Andersson.

 

[will1066]

TSN report says we're looking to clear cap space. Wasn't aware.

 

[Trxjw]

Decent Hartford depth. Nieves' old team mate from Michigan.

 

[Trxjw]

The Rangers did probably kneecap themselves a bit when it comes to clearing bodies by putting themselves in a bad cap situation, but I don't think the lack of movement indicates that there's no market or that these players are worthless. If Vesey can get a 3rd then it stands to reason that Namestnikov should have a bit more value than that.

 

[CasusBelli]

Edmonton can have Buchnevich if they get a time machine, and go back in time and trade us the 8th pick for him plus one of our middle defensive prospects. Otherwise take a hike.

Frankly I don’t see what they would be willing to offer us that makes sense for both teams.

 

[themelkman]

Alright so instead of making another trade thread, I come to you as a sharks fan to ask what you you guys think are reasonable asks for each of the four wingers you might be moving.

Namestnikov
Strome
Kreider
Buchnevich

 

[Kaapo Takko]

Frankly I don’t see what they would be willing to offer us that makes sense for both teams.

We need a #2c they need wingers. Maybe something around Buchnevich, Namestnikov for RNH? We're not really shedding much cap trading for RNH though.

 

[Tob]

mid july mood

 

[eco's bones]

Teammate of Boo Nieves at Michigan, but he sucks. Hartford signing.

If nothing else he should help Hartford.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Alright so instead of making another trade thread, I come to you as a sharks fan to ask what you you guys think are reasonable asks for each of the four wingers you might be moving.

Namestnikov
Strome
Kreider
Buchnevich

Without really thinking too much about it, I think this is what Gorton would want:
Namestnikov: high/mid 2nd
Strome: mid/late 2nd
Kreider: 1st + B prospect
Buchnevich: 1st + a good piece (young roster player or a better prospect than Kreider would get)

 

[SA16]

if we can't find any takers we should try and pay Ottawa to take both Strome and Namestnikov. If for example we gave them a 2nd round pick and then they turned around and dealt them at the deadline they would get a 2nd+what they get in trades for about 5.4M in real dollars. They can also send us Condon back at 50% which we can almost entirely bury which would save them an additional 1.5M in real dollars. I'd rather pay the pick than deal with buyouts and I think Ottawa would rather pay players to play than pay them not to (Condon) and they would get a decent selection of picks back overall.

 

[themelkman]

Without really thinking too much about it, I think this is what Gorton would want:
Namestnikov: high/mid 2nd
Strome: mid/late 2nd
Kreider: 1st + B prospect
Buchnevich: 1st + a good piece (young roster player or a better prospect than Kreider would get)

Thanks, I could see the sharks trading for really any of them, although the best but least likely is Buchnevich.

 

[Elliman]

Not sure Luc is a good analogy to Names. He was much more than a supplementary player. 12th all time in a goals and he's in the HOF. One of the best goal scorers in our sports history .

Yeah it’s far fetched. But you get the point. My compression is really in a relationship between McDavid and Names towards Luc Robitaille and Gretzky...

 

[Elliman]

He was awful here. All he did was coast. No effort. Ironically, he became a 30+ goal scorer when he went to LA.

Figures.

Luc’s game was basically burying rebounds. They didn't call him "Lucky Luc" for nothing. Hated that trade then and still today.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

 

[SA16]

Wonder if this is a sign they're getting close on a trade and are bringing in a minimum salary player as depth to replace him.

 

[Leetch3]

the dramatics over our cap situation is getting to be a bit much. we get it you didn't want panarin and now we are all gonna die...

people act like we are the only team with cap issues...once RFAs are signed and you factor in teams with internal budgets that can't spend to the cap, 2/3 of the league is in the same boat as us. and if we can't clear cap space it would be the first time that it has ever happened.

 

[GAGLine]

Wonder if this is a sign they're getting close on a trade and are bringing in a minimum salary player as depth to replace him.

I'd say it's a 0.000001% chance. We already signed McKegg and O'Regan for depth. We've got plenty of guys who would play ahead of Di Giuseppe.

 

[Leetch3]

and hank isn't retiring, give me a break. there has been literally NOTHING to indicate that he even thinks his workload should be cutback no less retire. went to play the worlds, is already on the ice training, that is NOT a guy that is ready to pack it up. it is more likely that when his contract is up in 2 years, he'll be looking to resign to play longer (assuming 1 of the other 2 goalies has been traded) then he might retire before the 2 years is up.

and there is also ZERO chance he agrees to a trade after the summer we've had...he wasn't waiving before when we had nothing now that we've added panarin and trouba lol. if you take the happiest and most excited rangers fan in the world about our offseason, that excitement times infinity is hank right now.

 

[charliemurphy]

I still want Kreider + Buch + filler for young top 6 A-rated center prospect.

Agreed. Hands down if those two go in the same trade then Gorton is walking away with a prospect like Suzuki (just as example) + I would much rather take that approach as opposed to picks with conditions and taking back any contract or B level prospects.

 

[QJL]

Agreed. Hands down if those two go in the same trade then Gorton is walking away with a prospect like Suzuki (just as example) + I would much rather take that approach as opposed to picks with conditions and taking back any contract or B level prospects.

The top centers on teams who could potentially take the cap hit are:

Canadiens (Suzuki, Poehling)
Sabres (Mittelstadt)
Red Wings (Veleno)
Avalanche (Newhook)
Kings (Turcotte)
Panthers (Borgstrom, Heponiemi)

Obviously the recently drafted players won’t be moved. The other options are not worth a Kreider + Buch package. I would love to target one of the other names with Kreider. Buch should stay.

I also have overly high hopes that Chytil steps up this year and becomes the 2C, Andersson the 3C. If that happens, this team is SET.

 

[charliemurphy]

The top centers on teams who could potentially take the cap hit are:

Canadiens (Suzuki, Poehling)
Sabres (Mittelstadt)
Red Wings (Veleno)
Avalanche (Newhook)
Kings (Turcotte)
Panthers (Borgstrom, Heponiemi)

Obviously the recently drafted players won’t be moved. The other options are not worth a Kreider + Buch package. I would love to target one of the other names with Kreider. Buch should stay.

I also have overly high hopes that Chytil steps up this year and becomes the 2C, Andersson the 3C. If that happens, this team is SET.

Adding Borgstrom or Suzuki would be crazy. Sign me up

 

[Tob]

I'm just relieved that this cap situation will progress with Trouba and Buchnevich's deadlines and buyout window coming and going. Getting sick of mentally trading Vlad, Strome, Kreids and buying out half of our D.