Speculation: Roster Building Thread LIV: Free Agency Hasn't Even Started

[bl02]

When you lay it out like that, the Panarin choice seems like a slam dunk.

But it would be Aho+4 1sts at 9-9.5 going into his age 22 season vs Panarin at 11.5 going into his age 28 season.

In that case, it'd come down to 2 things for me.

1. How confident are you that this group+ Aho is a contender sooner rather than later?
2. Can you back fill some of those 1st rounders through trades? Like say Zucc extends in Dallas and Kreider is traded in a package that involves another pick. Thats 2 1sts right there. If 2 of the young LHD end up stepping up this year or next perhaps it makes Skjei expendable for another package which involves a 1st in 2021. All of a sudden it doesn't look too bad.

Crazy Aho is only 22. Could just be scratching the surface when it comes to his game. The age difference is huge and Aho fits our compete timeline much better obviously.

1.) With Aho at center 1A/1B would pretty much cover our biggest whole. I would imagine it would make us playoff contenders in 2/3 years. Cup contenders would obviously depend on how all of these 18/19/20 years olds pan out.
2.)The scary part is losing those 4 first rounders because i would say its less than 50/50 we get a first for Zucc right now and I have a bad feeling teams are low balling us for CK. Could be another Hayes type get where the first would be 20-30ish and we would lose our first in 2020 which could easily be top 10.
If Zucc, CK and Skjei garner us firsts that would make it look ok definitely but I would want one of those firsts to be a top 10 pick.

 

[egelband]

Why would you have to buy out Vesey and Strome? Surely you could trade them for draft choices. Maybe not good ones, but even a 5th for each is better than a buyout.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I’ll take Panarin at $13m over offer sheeting any of Marner/Aho/Point and losing 4 1sts.

I’ll pass on all three of those scenarios.

Let’s draft and develop our own stars for a change.

I love what Gorts has done so far. Especially on D.

1 more bang next draft and I think we’re golden. Rebuild complete.

What Gorton will do differently than Sather Is not burn 1st after 1st after 1st, despite completing his rebuild. He’ll make those painful decisions to move players we as fans may not want in order to maintain a constant flow of cost controlled talent.

 

[bl02]

He's played a lot of center before coming to the NHL. I think he still projects to be one. Remember he's been on the Leafs, for them, having him at center would just be a luxury. For us, it would be a necessity.

I can't picture Marner as a center. Didn't know that he played lots of center before coming into NHL. Just wonder if Switching to center would possibly cause him to lose a little bit of that electricity he has on the wing? Was he considered decent at the D side of the game when he played center before he became a Leaf?

 

[bl02]

I’ll pass on all three of those scenarios.

Let’s draft and develop our own stars for a change.

I love what Gorts has done so far. Especially on D.

1 more bang next draft and I think we’re golden. Rebuild complete.

What Gorton will do differently than Sather Is not burn 1st after 1st after 1st, despite completing his rebuild. He’ll make those painful decisions to move players we as fans may not want in order to maintain a constant flow of cost controlled talent.

Yeah have to agree albeit part of me would not be upset if Panarin was enamored with NY and took 10-10.5.
Timing isn't great. If this was 2020 or 2021 and we had a better idea about our younger players plus that top 10 pick in next years draft it could be the time to pull the trigger on a Panarin. I'm with you not big on losing 4 first rounders. That's Sather territory

 

[Crease]

Just for debates sake...Aho for four first rounders and 9-9.5 million AAV or Panarin for 11.5 million AAV???

The thing about losing those firsts, it hurts you multiple ways. You pretty much lose all trading deadline firepower, unless you start trading quality prospects (which now you can't replace).

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I can't picture Marner as a center. Didn't know that he played lots of center before coming into NHL. Just wonder if Switching to center would possibly cause him to lose a little bit of that electricity he has on the wing? Was he considered decent at the D side of the game when he played center before he became a Leaf?

Just reread what I wrote and that did not come out as it should have haha. What I meant to say was that before he got to the nhl he had a lot of qualities that’s lend themselves to the center position, I believe he was scouted to Have a solid defensive game as a winger, but I definitely in hind sight would not say he played a lot of center. That being said I still think it is a possibility that he could convert, but who knows.

 

[bl02]

The thing about losing those firsts, it hurts you multiple ways. You pretty much lose all trading deadline firepower, unless you start trading quality prospects (which now you can't replace).

that's a good point. I guess that's one of the reasons you don't see many offer sheets where you would lose 4 first rounders.

 

[Tob]

I’ll pass on all three of those scenarios.

Let’s draft and develop our own stars for a change.

I love what Gorts has done so far. Especially on D.

1 more bang next draft and I think we’re golden. Rebuild complete.

What Gorton will do differently than Sather Is not burn 1st after 1st after 1st, despite completing his rebuild. He’ll make those painful decisions to move players we as fans may not want in order to maintain a constant flow of cost controlled talent.

I don't think Panarin's contract at $11.22M/7 years will throw too big of a wrench into our cap system. El Jeffe has been very responsible and did nothing else other than ship out every single player that would re-sign and saddle us with an over the hill player on a large cap hit when we're ready to contend. We have $10.6M committed to 2021-2022 and that's for Zib/Brady in their prime. Extremely valuable to us and everyone else. We're as far away from cap hell as we can possibly be.

There will come a time when our three years (plus next 2) worth of draft picks plus Igor will be off RFA status and it should be right around years 6 of Panarin's contract but by then, the cap should be up a lot more and Panarin's $11.22M shouldn't be a problem for us to move to sit on.

With good drafting and contract management as El Jeffe has done, it'll be a fair contract by the time the cap hit $100M.

aaaaaaaaand i've talked myself from being ambivalent about Panarin into wanting Panarin to sign.

 

[egelband]

I don't think Panarin's contract at $11.22M/7 years will throw too big of a wrench into our cap system. El Jeffe has been very responsible and did nothing else other than ship out every single player that would re-sign and saddle us with an over the hill player on a large cap hit when we're ready to contend. We have $10.6M committed to 2021-2022 and that's for Zib/Brady in their prime. Extremely valuable to us and everyone else. We're as far away from cap hell as we can possibly be.

There will come a time when our three years (plus next 2) worth of draft picks plus Igor will be off RFA status and it should be right around years 6 of Panarin's contract but by then, the cap should be up a lot more and Panarin's $11.22M shouldn't be a problem for us to move to sit on.

With good drafting and contract management as El Jeffe has done, it'll be a fair contract by the time the cap hit $100M.

aaaaaaaaand i've talked myself from being ambivalent about Panarin into wanting Panarin to sign.

The cap probably won't be $100m anytime soon. I think that's a huge leap of faith. But you may be right about the rest. Still I walk away at 9.5 or maybe 10, if I'm Gorton.

 

[Leetch3]

 

[Trxjw]

The graphic said "Kreider's future" before it switched over to Kakko. Anyone catch what he said during that bit?

 

[Leetch3]

Interesting comment from brian burke about how GMs make more mistakes on July 1st than the entire rest of the year...says teams fall in love with the idea of getting a guy for free and get killed by the extra years

 

[Leetch3]

The graphic said "Kreider's future" before it switched over to Kakko. Anyone catch what he said during that bit?

here is Dan Rosen's full segment...starts with panarin talk. then kreider at 3:00

some really hard hitting news here...he says the rangers will either trade kreider now, keep him and trade him later or resign him...thanks dan

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

here is Dan Rosen's full segment...starts with panarin talk. then kreider at 3:00

some really hard hitting news here...he says the rangers will either trade kreider now, keep him and trade him later or resign him...thanks dan

So no buyout?

 

[egelband]

Interesting comment from brian burke about how GMs make more mistakes on July 1st than the entire rest of the year...says teams fall in love with the idea of getting a guy for free and get killed by the extra years

So you mean the guy who has been in the NHL for 45 years *isn't* an idiot??
In all seriousness, I know he is a bit of a dinosaur but his good points way outnumber the silly ones.

On the other hand I can't remember a useful thing Mike Milbury has said.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

So no buyout?

Last minute of the interview.

Gorton will consider buying out Kreider if Bern compares him to Keon one more time.

 

[Savant]

He's played a lot of center before coming to the NHL. I think he still projects to be one. Remember he's been on the Leafs, for them, having him at center would just be a luxury. For us, it would be a necessity.

Offer sheeting a player and losing the picks necessary to do so in order to play that player out of position, is really moronic. This isn’t a video game. There is no evidence that he is a 12m+ player at that position and even less evidence he can play that position full time in the NHL

 

[Tob]

The cap probably won't be $100m anytime soon. I think that's a huge leap of faith. But you may be right about the rest. Still I walk away at 9.5 or maybe 10, if I'm Gorton.

by year 6 of Panarin's contract I mean. If that big TV deal comes through in 2 years and things go from there.

 

[egelband]

by year 6 of Panarin's contract I mean. If that big TV deal comes through in 2 years and things go from there.

That's a long way off. I'm not Nostradamus!

 

[Kaapo Bustfreniere]

aaaaaaaaand i've talked myself from being ambivalent about Panarin into wanting Panarin to sign.

I am SOLD too!

 

[NYRFANMANI]

If I see one more f***ing call for a buyout!

 

[darko]

What would the numbers look like if we bought out Shatty?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Someone Tweeted out the other day they expected Bob and Panarin to come in at $22mm combined. I think Florida will pay them that.

And how is Florida signing the other 6 players to fill out their roster with 1m in cap space?

 

[Ghost of jas]

And how is Florida signing the other 6 players to fill out their roster with 1m in cap space?

They're going to have the whole summer to figure that out. They continue to be the front runners in the eyes of both Vegas and most NHL observers. Dumping Reimer is likely the start. The Rangers are not going to have the biggest offer, so if it's mostly about money, Panarin likely isn't coming here.