Speculation: Roster Building Thread LIV: Free Agency Hasn't Even Started

[Procrastinator]

The way I see it is we need a 1c. Panarin is 1w. If we signed a 1c (which is not available through ufa) or a 1w or traded assets for a 1c or 1w or vice verser, then it really doesn’t matter which position costs us assets and which one doesn’t.

 

[NYR Viper]

We’re starting to see trades by teams who are missing out on UFA’s.

Also, I wonder if Burakovsky was dealt for by Colorado because they didn’t like Zuccarello’s demands either.

 

[True Blue]

I kind of agree with this. If he doesn’t sign here it’s because Gorton put in a half ass attempt at getting him. If he truly wants him, he’ll sign here.

If Pnarin does not sign here, what is more realistic, that Gorton half assed it or that Panarin priced himself out?

Is your belief that the only way Gorton does not half ass it is if he gives Panarin whatever he wants?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

We’re starting to see trades by teams who are missing out on UFA’s.

Also, I wonder if Burakovsky was dealt for by Colorado because they didn’t like Zuccarello’s demands either.

Maybe, but they still have a crap load of cap space.

 

[Kovalev27]

I've been thinking about it for eight months now, and I still can't decide if I want them to sign Panarin.

I’m with you very torn

 

[Levitate]

The way I see it is we need a 1c. Panarin is 1w. If we signed a 1c (which is not available through ufa) or a 1w or traded assets for a 1c or 1w or vice verser, then it really doesn’t matter which position costs us assets and which one doesn’t.

Mikka is good at 1C especially if his wings are great

Rangers need a good 2C though, that's the big hole, and even 3C is kind of "see what kids can do it and have Strome fill in if not"

For signing Panarin...I think if the Rangers have hit on a lot of these players then signing him could work out well. If Chytil takes a big step forward and can start holding down the 2C spot, Andersson finds his game as a real good 3rd line player or 2nd line facilitator, Kravtsov and Kakko become star wingers, Fox is awesome, Hajek/Rykov/whoever become real good solid D on the left...etc.

Panarin could be the talent that helps bring all that young talent together along with guys like Zibanejad, Trouba, SKjei, etc, and makes them into a very talented team.

But if guys are struggling or busting and the roster has a bunch of holes in it, then Panarin starts to become an anchor on the cap (though on the other hand if everone busts you don't have to pay them any big contracts...)

 

[FIRE DRURY]

MOVES

1. Buyout B. Smith
2. Trade Chris Kreider (50% retained) and Brady Skjei for William Nylander and their 2020 4th rounder
3. Trade Jimmy Vesey, Jesper Fast, Ryan Gropp and signing rights to Nico Gross to EDM for Z Kassian, Brandon Manning, Jessi Puljujärvi (loan out to Frölunda/SHL this season) and their 2020 2nd round pick
4. Trade Bo Nieves to Florida for a 2020 7th rounder

Other thoughts

1. Give the RFAs bridge deals sans Trouba (under
2. Sign UFAs Adam McQuaid (1 year), Dion Phaneuf (2 years) & Michael Ferland (3 years) all for reasonable amounts
3. Watch Mats Zuccarello resigns in Dallas - rendering NYR the Dallas 1st round pick in 2020
4. Skip the Breadman and Duchene thoughts. Stay the course

NYR lineup 2019/2020
Nylander - Zinbad - Buch
Names (”future” => Kravtsov) - Strome - Kakko
Ferland - Howden - Chytil
Lemmy - Lias - Kassian
Whatever

Phaneuf - Trouba
Staal (”future” => Miller) - TDA
Hajek - Shattenkirk (”future” => Fox)

A McQuaid

Lundqvist/Rykov/Robertson/Lindgren/Keane/Reuanen...??
B Manning takes his assignment to Hartford

Hank w Georgie/Shesty taking turns shuffling duties using waiver exempt Wolfpack call ups

Works within the Cap

Dammit Bern stop hacking into people's accounts.

 

[True Blue]

They will meet in the middle. Between 11.6-12.

The rangers aren’t losing him over 725k-1mil

I think that you underestimate Gorton's will here. If he offers $11 and and another team offers $12, I do not see him moving from his offer. If there is something that I believe, it's that Gorton crystal clear ideas on what he is comfortable paying in assets or dollars. And does not move from that. Just my view.

 

[Thirty One]

It’s all price and term for me, and with free agency being the way it is and the numbers and stuff that are out there, I’m more on the Don’t Do It side. But I wasn’t into the idea of trading for Trouba until I saw what was given up for him, so I’m holding out until I see the deal

The big reason yes is gaining momentum for me is the thought that there's a big cap increase coming with the new TV deal, and you're potentially locking up a star at pre-inflation rates.

 

[Fitzy]

MOVES

1. Buyout B. Smith
2. Trade Chris Kreider (50% retained) and Brady Skjei for William Nylander and their 2020 4th rounder
3. Trade Jimmy Vesey, Jesper Fast, Ryan Gropp and signing rights to Nico Gross to EDM for Z Kassian, Brandon Manning, Jessi Puljujärvi (loan out to Frölunda/SHL this season) and their 2020 2nd round pick
4. Trade Bo Nieves to Florida for a 2020 7th rounder

Other thoughts

1. Give the RFAs bridge deals sans Trouba (under
2. Sign UFAs Adam McQuaid (1 year), Dion Phaneuf (2 years) & Michael Ferland (3 years) all for reasonable amounts
3. Watch Mats Zuccarello resigns in Dallas - rendering NYR the Dallas 1st round pick in 2020
4. Skip the Breadman and Duchene thoughts. Stay the course

I bolded all the lines of texts that made me feel physically ill.

 

[True Blue]

Term is not going to be the issue. Everyone knows before you make the phone call you’re going to have to be at 7 years.

Ok, but you ignored the other items I listed. Less dollars and not full NTC/NMC

 

[Kovalev27]

Imo The only way panarin doesn’t sign here is if fla gives him ridiculous money. 13 or 14 mil a year for 7 years no tax state And Gorton say 10 and 5 years is our limit which as I said I don’t believe is going to happen.

All things being relatively equal he’ll be a Ranger. I’ll come on here and publicly admit shame if he doesn’t

 

[True Blue]

If it is I certainly don't know where the presumption is coming from because there has been no indication of that whatsoever, quite the opposite in fact.

Quite the opposite of what? You think that the Rangers are offering more dollars than other teams?

 

[Kovalev27]

Ok, but you ignored the other items I listed. Less dollars and not full NTC/NMC

Ok, but you ignored the other items I listed. Less dollars and not full NTC/NMC

Why wouldn’t we offer a NMC? All the top guys get it no reason we wouldn’t

Like I’ve said unless it’s stupid money difference which I highly doubt he’ll take less to come here like Richards did shatty and many others have

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

The big reason yes is gaining momentum for me is the thought that there's a big cap increase coming with the new TV deal, and you're potentially locking up a star at pre-inflation rates.

I want to believe in that, but I also just can’t believe in Bettman

 

[Procrastinator]

Mikka is good at 1C especially if his wings are great

Rangers need a good 2C though, that's the big hole, and even 3C is kind of "see what kids can do it and have Strome fill in if not"

For signing Panarin...I think if the Rangers have hit on a lot of these players then signing him could work out well. If Chytil takes a big step forward and can start holding down the 2C spot, Andersson finds his game as a real good 3rd line player or 2nd line facilitator, Kravtsov and Kakko become star wingers, Fox is awesome, Hajek/Rykov/whoever become real good solid D on the left...etc.

Panarin could be the talent that helps bring all that young talent together along with guys like Zibanejad, Trouba, SKjei, etc, and makes them into a very talented team.

But if guys are struggling or busting and the roster has a bunch of holes in it, then Panarin starts to become an anchor on the cap (though on the other hand if everone busts you don't have to pay them any big contracts...)

Totally agree. Alltought Mikka really only became a 1c last year. I tend to think he will follow up last years performance onwards, but he does have injury history and he does need good wingers on his flank to really be that 1c unlike true 1c's make bad wingers better.

 

[QJL]

I really think we get Panarin. Top athletes in New York, especially those with nicknames like Bread Man, have millions awaiting them in sponsorship $. There is no pay gap between Florida at $12.5m and us at $11.5m when considering the market elements beyond hockey. Panarin and his agent should know that. I’d be shocked if we don’t sign him.

 

[True Blue]

Why wouldn’t we offer a NMC? All the top guys get it no reason we wouldn’t

Like I’ve said unless it’s stupid money difference which I highly doubt he’ll take less to come here like Richards did shatty and many others have

So yes, you believe that he will take less dollars to play here and yes, if the Rangers do not grant a full NTC/NMC clause to him while other teams will, that will not deter him?

 

[Tawnos]

The big reason yes is gaining momentum for me is the thought that there's a big cap increase coming with the new TV deal, and you're potentially locking up a star at pre-inflation rates.

How big of an impact that will have is going to be dependent on what happens in the CBA negotiation. The way for the players to reduce their escrow is to agree to a change in how they calculate the cap, probably gradually... which will likely lead to it being frozen for a couple of years or very small increases. Even with a big new TV deal. Of course, that'll come with compliance buyouts...

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I really think we get Panarin. Top athletes in New York, especially those with nicknames like Bread Man, have millions awaiting them in sponsorship $. There is no pay gap between Florida at $12.5m and us at $11.5m when considering the market elements beyond hockey. Panarin and his agent should know that. I’d be shocked if we don’t sign him.

When I'm not scoring goals and fighting crime, you can find me here at Breads Bakery in NYC.

 

[Off Sides]

If there is a work-stoppage due to opt out of the CBA, how does that effect the cap and also any new TV deal?

I'm not sure the timing of it, but I think the opt out options for the CBA come before any new TV deal can be made?

 

[TheBPA]

How big of an impact that will have is going to be dependent on what happens in the CBA negotiation. The way for the players to reduce their escrow is to agree to a change in how they calculate the cap, probably gradually... which will likely lead to it being frozen for a couple of years or very small increases. Even with a big new TV deal. Of course, that'll come with compliance buyouts...

The process has already started. By keeping the cap at $81.5 this season, escrow is less of an issue. If they don’t use the escalator again next summer, it will be even less of an issue by the time the CBA is negotiated.

 

[Tawnos]

The process has already started. By keeping the cap at $81.5 this season, escrow is less of an issue. If they don’t use the escalator again next summer, it will be even less of an issue by the time the CBA is negotiated.

Yes, escrow will go from 12.9% to probably around 10%, which is still too high. The escalator isn't the biggest problem. Average team spend over the midpoint is a much, much bigger issue.

Also, escalator calculations aren't cumulative. Using less this year has no effect on next year.

 

[zukeisgone]

You don’t get a player like Panarin usually for money alone. 4years elite player and you say it doesn’t fit our time line? Silliness ....looks like he is coming and having JD is a plus. It’s second line center with a hole. Best case is Filip stepping up. Bold move Brady and Kreider for cap relief WN...either way..quick rebuild
1 and 2 RD Jacob Adam
3top Wingers K and K and Bread
Top Goalie prospect

All recently added to previous weakness

 

[TheBPA]

Yes, escrow will go from 12.9% to probably around 10%, which is still too high. The escalator isn't the biggest problem. Average team spend over the midpoint is a much, much bigger issue.

Also, escalator calculations aren't cumulative. Using less this year has no effect on next year.

All true, it just indicates a willingness to stop using the escalator to continue eating into escrow.