Kaapo Cabana
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I am fine with moving Kreider, but I think we missed the boat on moving him this offseason. He is a deadline deal IMO
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Don't see this as the case at all.
Market is still there for him beyond Colorado and will be even stronger in a week or so. Kreider even at his full cap hit is going to be appealing to contending teams.
It should be simple to open up space though...
- Vesey and Kreider traded, Staal bought out, Smith waived, Shatty as the 7th.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
If I am a GM, I am closely watching the Rangers and how it shakes out with Panarin. Should the Rangers sign Panarin, I'd immediately offer sheet Buchnevich.
Totally agree here. You find a team who does not have cap problems. Attach a 5th/6th round pick to him. He only has 1 year left.
So you move:
Vesey
Namestnikov
Buyout one of Smith/Shatty
Panarin- $11.5
Trouba- $8
Buch- $3-3.5 @ 2-3 years
ADA- $2.5 @ 2-3 years
Lemmy- $1.5-2
For the Rangers not to be able to match, the salary would have to be in the $4.2-6.xxx range.
That is a 1st and 3rd round pick compensation.
How do we feel about that?
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
That's the tricky part. If I had to guess, 6 years x 4.5 million per year. I don't know that the Rangers want to commit to him that long, you give up a 1st round pick if the Rangers don't match and based on what Miller just went for, that isn't a bad deal. If he continues to progress you could have a steal of a cap hit in a year or two.
If they're adding Panarin to Trouba this offseason, I'd much rather they keep Kreider and ship Buch, Names and Vesey out. Kreider's a better player than all three honestly. Doubt Buch or Vesey will ever be as good or as important to the team as Kreider is right now or three years down the road.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
Not bad. That would mean that we signed Panarin which, would definitely soften the blow. Offer sheet picks are completely unprotected which is another plus.
With all the talk of offer sheets this year (and it is significantly more than in years past) I don't think it would be someone like Marner. No team is giving up 4 1st round picks for anyone except for McDavid. I don't care how good Marner is. It would be someone like Buchnevich.
There is no room for Kreider imo. Even if they let Strome walk after this year and cap goes up.
At the same time, for all the talk i feel as though you might see teams still very hesitant given the quality of the 2020 draft. Too much parity in the NHL to guarantee giving up that pick wont come back to haunt you.
Vesey is toast regardless but Kreider doesn't make sense for the long term.
Those are dollars you're going to wish you had 2-3-4 years down the line.
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I would not go that far, I'd say the boat which contained them getting a guaranteed 1st has sailed unless they wait until the deadline.
A 1st that is conditional and somewhat protected should that pick end up at some arbitrary early draft slot I would assume is still possible.
I don't think any team is going to trade their 2020 1st outright now, maybe at the deadline.
Yet that does not mean the Rangers can not try to find some equivalent value to that 1st. Which the equivalency if it does happen will be much debated whether one for one or within a trade with more moving parts.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
While I think that is a good point, a team offer sheeting Buchnevich likely believes they are going to be a serious contender in 2020. Getting a top 6 forward locked up for ~$4.5 million for 6 years, when you see guys like Hayes and Kane getting 7+ over 7 years has a ton of value in itself.
Also, I would mention that Vancouver just traded a 2020 1st for JT Miller. While Jim Benning isn't quite the brightest crayon in the box, he is no Chiarelli either. Picks will be moved for the right players.
Well if you get taxed in the state you worked in then you only get half the games in fla and have to pay taxes in the other states you play in on the road so the tax savings are half of what people keep talking about. It’s certainly not worth signing for a small market team that draws 10k on a good night and hasn’t sniffed a playoff series win in god knows how long. I’d be shocked if he signed in fla.
Buy a place down there for the off-season and live like a king in NYC with your model GF and the hockey world watching. Pretty simple decision. Which is why big free agents don’t run to the Panthers over big market teams if they have a choice.
Buy a place down there for the off-season and live like a king in NYC with your model GF and the hockey world watching. Pretty simple decision. Which is why big free agents don’t run to the Panthers over big market teams if they have a choice.
If Kreider doesn't make sense long term how does Panarin? They're roughly the same age. Physically speaking, my money is on Kreider lasting longer in this league than Panarin. Or, keep both. I'm sure they can make the money work.
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Not a tax attorney or anything but I work in financial services in a field that is heavily impacted by mobility taxation and the like (tax withholding for employees who work/live in multiple tax jurisdictions).
A players residence, at least with regard to NY taxes, would have no bearing on the tax due to NY. They are employed in NY, and would have to pay NY tax on the income. A signing bonus would be considered taxable income the same as salary, I am fairly certain there is no distinction from a tax point of view. There may be some factors involved that could potentially reduce the tax liability since the player isn't employed for all 12 months, technically, which could save them from potentially being taxed for the offseason (ie, they have to pay 9/12ths of the NY tax rate since they only work a portion of the year in NY) although I suspect even that would be a tough sell for an accountant since they are a contract employee who is paid their entire salary for ~9 months work.
Also as someone else pointed out, there's a good chance the signing bonus is still subject to jock tax in other jurisdictions as way. I wouldn't bet money on this but its certainly a possibility.
A players residence, at least with regard to NY taxes, would have no bearing on the tax due to NY. They are employed in NY, and would have to pay NY tax on the income. A signing bonus would be considered taxable income the same as salary, I am fairly certain there is no distinction from a tax point of view. There may be some factors involved that could potentially reduce the tax liability since the player isn't employed for all 12 months, technically, which could save them from potentially being taxed for the offseason (ie, they have to pay 9/12ths of the NY tax rate since they only work a portion of the year in NY) although I suspect even that would be a tough sell for an accountant since they are a contract employee who is paid their entire salary for ~9 months work.
Also as someone else pointed out, there's a good chance the signing bonus is still subject to jock tax in other jurisdictions as way. I wouldn't bet money on this but its certainly a possibility.
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DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
That's an easy deal to match. I would be ecstatic with the possibility of locking Buch in at 4.5M for the next 6 seasons.
Kaapo Cabana
Next name: Admiral Kakkbar
There are plenty of ways to skin a cat. The Staal buyout gives me pause though.
for the record, I want Panarin.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
Is it? After having signed Panarin to a $10-$11 million dollar deal and signing Trouba to an $8 million dollar deal? I don't think it is that easy to match.
Sorry, but that is absurd. You want to commit 6 years to him? Seriously?
Look, Im all for locking up the young talent when its become/is becoming clear that they'll be a sure thing in the NHL. Buchnevich is anything but.
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Do you know how often having working knowledge of employee taxation comes in useful outside of work? The answer is never. So let me have my moment
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