Speculation: Roster Building Thread LIII: Free Agent Frenzy

[FIRE DRURY]

Do you know how often having working knowledge of employee taxation comes in useful outside of work? The answer is never. So let me have my moment

Shine away my friend!

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If Kreider doesn't make sense long term how does Panarin? They're roughly the same age. Physically speaking, my money is on Kreider lasting longer in this league than Panarin. Or, keep both. I'm sure they can make the money work.

No I'm saying its one or the other. You can't have both.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Sorry, but that is absurd. You want to commit 6 years to him? Seriously?

Look, Im all for locking up the young talent when its become/is becoming clear that they'll be a sure thing in the NHL. Buchnevich is anything but.

If I can get him at 4.5M absolutely. Even if he doesn't improve he would be paid fair market value at that cap number. I'm not sure what you mean by "sure thing", he's been a top-6 forward in the league on a rate basis all 3 years he's been around.

 

[Avery16]

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

My gut says the Rangers ultimately don't land Panarin. Obviously comes down to price, but JD's input will likely be the ultimate factor here. He knows better than anyone if this is a guy the team can build around.

Personally, I'd give the team another season or two before we entertain the big free agent splash. There will be another Panarin available on the market in the near future. There always is.

 

[Gardner McKay]

If I can get him at 4.5M absolutely. Even if he doesn't improve he would be paid fair market value at that cap number. I'm not sure what you mean by "sure thing", he's been a top-6 forward in the league on a rate basis all 3 years he's been around.

Again, where does the cap come from having just shelled out $18-$19 million for Panarin and Trouba and still having to re-sign ADA and Lemieux.

 

[Gardner McKay]

My gut says the Rangers ultimately don't land Panarin. Obviously comes down to price, but JD's input will likely be the ultimate factor here. He knows better than anyone if this is a guy the team can build around.

Personally, I'd give the team another season or two before we entertain the big free agent splash. There will be another Panarin available on the market in the near future. There always is.

I agree with the first part. My gut says we don't either.

I disagree with the second part. There isn't always another Panarin on the market.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

If I can get him at 4.5M absolutely. Even if he doesn't improve he would be paid fair market value at that cap number. I'm not sure what you mean by "sure thing", he's been a top-6 forward in the league on a rate basis all 3 years he's been around.

Are you referencing rate basis because he hasn't been able to stay on the ice consistently through either injuries or insubordination over those 3 seasons? Lets try to cross that bridge first before the team throws 6 years at him.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Again, where does the cap come from having just shelled out $18-$19 million for Panarin and Trouba and still having to re-sign ADA and Lemieux.

Short term trading Kreider/Vesey/Namestnikov, buying out Smith and dumping Beleskey's salary.

Edit: This depends on whether or not ADA and Lemieux get 1 or 2 years as well, if 1 then you don't have to trade Namestnikov most likely.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

No I'm saying its one or the other. You can't have both.

There's really no way to fit both under the cap with all the money they have coming off in two years?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

There's really no way to fit both under the cap with all the money they have coming off in two years?

Next year will be tough but if our young guys are as good as we think they can be, we're going to want those dollars.

 

[Thirty One]

For the Rangers not to be able to match, the salary would have to be in the $4.2-6.xxx range.

That is a 1st and 3rd round pick compensation.

How do we feel about that?

Think it depends on the team whose picks we're getting. Think the Rangers would be hesitant to commit to Buch for 6 years, as they might wonder about his self-motivation.

 

[effen]

There's really no way to fit both under the cap with all the money they have coming off in two years?

There's no good path to Panarin alone lol

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Would not support a 6 year deal for Buch

 

[Gardner McKay]

Short term trading Kreider/Vesey/Namestnikov, buying out Smith and dumping Beleskey's salary.

Edit: This depends on whether or not ADA and Lemieux get 1 or 2 years as well, if 1 then you don't have to trade Namestnikov most likely.

So now you have to rush a trade and potentially take a lower return and hope that ADA and Lemieux are going to be easy to negotiate with?

Yikes.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Next year will be tough but if our young guys are as good as we think they can be, we're going to want those dollars.

Hopefully Kakko AND Kratsov are this team's version of Panarin in a few years.

 

[RGY]

Short term trading Kreider/Vesey/Namestnikov, buying out Smith and dumping Beleskey's salary.

Edit: This depends on whether or not ADA and Lemieux get 1 or 2 years as well, if 1 then you don't have to trade Namestnikov most likely.

I dont think Lemmy has any leverage at the moment.

I think ADA has a little bit of leverage BUT that it ultimately settles to be a 2 year deal at a reasonable cap hit to give him a chance to define is worth more.

Same goes for Buch.

And of course by doing a bridge deal it could favor the player if their production/play takes off

 

[Irishguy42]

Again, where does the cap come from having just shelled out $18-$19 million for Panarin and Trouba and still having to re-sign ADA and Lemieux.

Would be close.

Gorton would have to get a little creative, but he'd be moving in directions that he seemingly is already moving in.

Names/Strome moved for picks, Smith bought out. The obvious next move would be Kreider moving out, which seems to be something that might happen anyway.

 

[Irishguy42]

Same goes for Buch.

This is under the idea of Buch getting a 4.5x6 offersheet.

 

[Raspewtin]

I wonder if we look to trade some D prospects in the next year or two for some young middle six forwards with upside depending on how Lias, Howden, and Chytil develop.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Would be close, but do-able.

Gorton would have to get a little creative, but he'd be moving in directions that he seemingly is already moving in.

Names/Strome moved for picks, Smith bought out. The obvious next move would be Kreider moving out, which seems to be something that might happen anyway.

See, given the current cap situation in the NHL, I think moving Strome and Names for picks before the season starts is easier said than done. Hence why I think it is such an interesting predicament and why I really don't know that the Rangers would match.

It would be the most interesting situation for this team in a very, very long time.

 

[Irishguy42]

See, given the current cap situation in the NHL, I think moving Strome and Names for picks before the season starts is easier said than done. Hence why I think it is such an interesting predicament and why I really don't know that the Rangers would match.

It would be the most interesting situation for this team in a very, very long time.

A lot of cap moves will depend on what happens with Panarin and Kreider.

Heck, Buffalo was looking at Vesey too. Replace Vesey on the roster I posted with an ELC player, and you're under the cap.

Also, from a purely cap perspective, trading Kreider would be the same as trading Names, or provide more relief than trading Strome.

So maybe you aren't trading all three of Strome/Vesey/Names this summer, maybe only two of them. Trading two of that trio plus trading Kreider would provide the same cap relief (more, actually), so it still seems do-able. Kreider seems like he'll be on the way out this summer, probably higher chance if Panarin signs here.

I think the chance of trading two of Strome/Vesey/Names and Kreider is a much higher chance of trading all of Strome/Vesey/Names.

In the end though, I don't think we have to worry about a Buchnevich offer sheet.

 

[ncmike]

You're supposed to be in the state for 183 days to pay tax there. I don't know how that works with regards to sports and things that would be considered business travel.

They also pay separate taxes to all the states they play in.

 

[Ghost of jas]

He is becoming a player to watch, IMO. One more year at Cornell, and then let’s see what we’ got.

 

[I Eat Crow]

If the Rangers sign Panarin then I expect Kreider, Smith, and Namestnikov to be dealt.

Bridge Lemieux. Sign Buchnevich to a one year deal. Still an RFA after this year. Extend him after the Girardi buyout is lessened. There's room.