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Speculation: Roster Building Thread LIII: Free Agent Frenzy

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Off Sides said:
Is there any reason Loungo is retiring and could stay within their organization in another non playing position giving up remaining contract money besides Florida has deemed to go another direction and it suits them more so than to see him retire than go LTIR/Buyout
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He’s retiring because his hips are so bad he has to take a full day off after games
 
Off Sides said:
Is there any reason Loungo is retiring and could stay within their organization in another non playing position giving up remaining contract money besides Florida has deemed to go another direction and it suits them more so than to see him retire than go LTIR/Buyout
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He can. Lundqvist can too. Just not for $4.5 million. You must see why that would raise red flags.
 
Alluckks said:
It is literally the EXACT same crap I [and others] was saying about Chevy several years back when all of the main boards (and especially Winnipeg fans) were praising him for being a stingy genius.
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A little confused. Crap in terms of you agree or disagree?
 
Thirty One said:
He can. Lundqvist can too. Just not for $4.5 million. You must see why that would raise red flags.
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How about 1.125M a year for 4 years where it pays out even if he does not finish the contract?

Edit or double. triple the term, half/third the payout per year, he can sit at home and consult via HF boards?


You must see how teams could turn this into cap circumvention?
 
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Shattenhurts said:
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so that chart is misleading...nashville 'owes' $24,571428 for their cap savings in the first 4 years of his contract. if he retires today (2019-20) the cap hit isn't $3,510,204, its that PER year for 7 years. they get nailed for the full amount spread over the remaining # of years on the contract...

had they not traded him then each year he plays after his salary drops below the cap hit the amount owed would be reduced which is why montreal eventually hits 0.

all i can say is jesus christ
 
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Off Sides said:
How about 1.125M a year for 4 years where it pays out even if he does not finish the contract?

Edit or double. triple the term, half/third the payout per year, he can sit at home and consult via HF boards?


You must see how teams could turn this into cap circumvention?
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You're really overthinking this. Have Henrik slip and fall in a puddle of ketchup in the concourse area and engage in a faux-settlement talk and settle for however much. Wait 2 years to fire the head of the janitorial staff so there's no unfair dismissal suits and liability and pay Larry $10,000 to write a piece that puts the blame of the "Henrik Ketchup" incident on the now fired head of sanitation without being libelous and reconcile the relationship between Henrik and the organization in the eyes of the fans.
 
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Tob said:
You're really overthinking this. Have Henrik slip and fall in a puddle of ketchup in the concourse area and engage in a faux-settlement talk and settle for however much. Wait 2 years to fire the head of the janitorial staff so there's no unfair dismissal suits and liability and pay Larry $10,000 to write a piece that puts the blame of the "Henrik Ketchup" incident on the now fired head of sanitation without being libelous and reconcile the relationship between Henrik and the organization in the eyes of the fans.
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How is it just me?
 
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Tob said:
I'm really not qualified to speak to this. I was only presenting a possible solution on how to sneak money to Henrik Lundqvist under the table without raising too much suspicion.
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I like your humor, just saying if this slides, then the Rangers can slide some stuff too, until the owners/nhl realize this is going to escalate and would be coming out of their share of revenue.
 
Procrastinator said:
A little confused. Crap in terms of you agree or disagree?
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No, I agree, tone doesn't come across well on here - I was calling Sakic's approach crap (not that the perception of how he operates is a crap perception)

Confusing, my bad
 
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Off Sides said:
I like your humor, just saying if this slides, then the Rangers can slide some stuff too, until the owners/nhl realize this is going to escalate and would be coming out of their share of revenue.
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So long as there's no guarantee that the player makes back all of the money left on the table and there's no guarantee that management will keep them indefinitely until a certain amount is paid, it's a standard upper management job offer for ex-players with ties to the organization and community. As long as it's a player being hired for a job with substance and getting paid a reasonable amount, it's all kosher.
 
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Leetch3 said:
so that chart is misleading...nashville 'owes' $24,571428 for their cap savings in the first 4 years of his contract. if he retires today (2019-20) the cap hit isn't $3,510,204, its that PER year for 7 years. they get nailed for the full amount spread over the remaining # of years on the contract...

had they not traded him then each year he plays after his salary drops below the cap hit the amount owed would be reduced which is why montreal eventually hits 0.

all i can say is jesus christ
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Thought I read somewhere that his hit would be calculated differently because it was a pre-current-CBA contract...
 
Tob said:
So long as there's no guarantee that the player makes back all of the money left on the table and there's no guarantee that management will keep them indefinitely until a certain amount is paid, it's a standard upper management job offer for ex-players with ties to the organization and community. As long as it's a player being hired for a job with substance and getting paid a reasonable amount, it's all kosher.
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I guess.

I mean I think it is clearly cap circumvention, yet if the league lets it slide as they have done with many things before, LTIR allergies, Robidas literally disappeared, Player signed to like 10 year contracts which pay out 1M for the last 3ish years, never coming back LTIR players traded to help cash strapped team make the cap floor, etc, then I think they may let this slide as well; Yet only to a point.
 
LannyMcdonald said:
Thought I read somewhere that his hit would be calculated differently because it was a pre-current-CBA contract...
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all contracts subject to the cap recapture penalty were signed pre-current cba since those deals are now illegal and the recapture penalty was put in to retroactively punish teams for doing something that was allowed at the time
 
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I don't see any way the league hits Nashville with recapture in the fullest. That would in no way help revenue.
 
Off Sides said:
I don't see any way the league hits Nashville with recapture in the fullest. That would in no way help revenue.
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how does that effect revenue?

they won't get hit because he won't retire...he could die tomorrow and they would put him on arizona's LTIR propped up weekend at bernie's style until the deal is up
 
Leetch3 said:
how does that effect revenue?

they won't get hit because he won't retire...he could die tomorrow and they would put him on arizona's LTIR propped up weekend at bernie's style until the deal is up
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I am not disagreeing with you, LTIR, will be the way out, no recapture
 
Procrastinator said:
Really? I just hit 45 and I feel like with no knee pain, hip pain and overall feeling great, I could take a hit from ovy and a few crack ribs I’d be in the lineup in a few short weeks.
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Hopefully you'll feel great for many more years.

I'm 52 now and started to feel it the past couple of years. I played hockey for almost 40 years (at least half of it full contact). I did lots of dumb macho things like playing through injuries that I'm starting to pay for now. I've broken and torn everything. I also have the same back issue as Callahan, so I can easily understand why he would retire in his 30s.

Btw, I played in a championship game 2 days after cracking 2 ribs. It was pure hell. Lol, I wouldn't recommend it. Avoid Ovy if you can.
 
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