Speculation: Roster Building Thread LII: Countdown to Free Agency
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Oscar Lindberg
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Sounds to me like Kreider doesn’t have the value we all thought he did
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
Eh, I wouldn’t say that.
I don’t think the timing or market was at a comfortable level for the Rangers.
So the 1st rounder Hayes returned he may now be taking away....
That's not a surprise. There was an inherent favor-ability towards him that I don't think most teams would have that the members of this board does.
That said, his value as a rental is going to be higher imo. If the Rangers trade him now, it will be because they are able to get an upgrade. If you can't do that, then keep him till the trade deadline.
Given that it's a walk year, and the player has shown that he can play up to a higher standard if he exerts himself, Kreider is going to play like his engaged streaks for longer imo.
The Rangers have $17,500,000 according to CapFriendly. Rangers extend Trouba to $8,000,000. The Rangers now have $9,500,00 in cap space. Buchnevich, Kreider, ADA, Lemmywinks all need contracts. I like that Kreider plays a heavy game but Buchy with 101 points in 179 games played is tough to move on from. How can we afford Panarin at say, $12,000,000 per year with the others still needing contracts? I think both Marner and Panarin are looking for 12.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
Or the cap and timing wasn’t right...
Just gonna pump the breaks a little here.
Just gonna pump the breaks a little here.
2 things...
If Staal is taking away ice time from a younger player who clearly outperforms him, he is doing more harm than anything he brings in the locker room. He is not an NHL level player anymore and hasn't been for a while. Smith and Shattenkirk are both superior players to Staal (yet for what ever reason, are the buy out candidates), who at most should be a frequent scratch.
Fitting in Panarin with out moving Kreider is hard enough. Fitting him in with out doing that is damn near impossible unless they want to get silly and start attaching pieces to get rid of players. If they get Panarin, Kreider is gone. Hes probably gone even if they don't.
That's exactly it. The cap compression lead to a lot of talk with no action.
The teams that have room are trying to get assets on the cheap because other teams have to make a deal.
There's no reason to pay a premium to get an asset, when one is going to fall on your lap.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
And in that case, I fully expect Gorton to bide his time.
I suspect the ask was more than people here realize. That may change. Also the prospect of trading a 2020 first is a lot easier since it is a year away. You’ve already seen a few change hands.
I’d also add Carolina to the list of Kreider possibilities. They have a lot if assets that would fit our rebuild.
I agree, the time to trade Kreider is going to be at the deadline. You will still get the value in terms of a 1st and a prospect. But this isn't the time of year when teams are going to help each other out.
#16 on Thursday has value. #16 on Friday with Newhook, Caufield and Krebs sliding down the board has completely different value. The reason most of the board was chomping at the bit to move Kreider to the Avs once Knight and York went off the board is the same one the Avs had to hold on to the pick. Better players were available than expected.
Still plenty of avenues to pursue in a Kreider deal. Especially once teams who think they're players for UFAs start getting phone calls from agents saying they're out.
Still plenty of avenues to pursue in a Kreider deal. Especially once teams who think they're players for UFAs start getting phone calls from agents saying they're out.
Zibanejbread
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Kreider doesn't need a contract, but otherwise you are correct. I heard the 12 mil number for Panarin yesterday. I don't know if it will end up that high. If he signs in Florida, it will no doubt be lower due to the no tax thing.
No matter what Panarin gets, we'll have to clear significant cap if we want him.
I don't even think they necessarily have to wait that long.
Contending teams with a tight cap and not a ton of options should be looking in our direction. Maybe it interferes with their plans on July 1, but Kreider @50% should have tremendous value.
I just don’t see how keeping Kreider until the deadline and signing Panarin is plausible. If you want Panarin, Kreider needs to go this week.
I’m not surprised we didn’t get the value many thought we would for Kreider. I got ridiculed here for saying a mid teens 1st was a stretch. Soderstrom and Newhook are far more valuable than Kreider in my opinion, even to teams looking to compete.
If we can pull a 2020 1st from an overconfident team, that’s the play to run here.
If we’re thinking we’re out on Panarin, I’m fine with keeping Kreider until the deadline.
The time to strike in free agency is now. The 2020 UFA class is very weak.
Fingers crossed for Bread.
I’m not surprised we didn’t get the value many thought we would for Kreider. I got ridiculed here for saying a mid teens 1st was a stretch. Soderstrom and Newhook are far more valuable than Kreider in my opinion, even to teams looking to compete.
If we can pull a 2020 1st from an overconfident team, that’s the play to run here.
If we’re thinking we’re out on Panarin, I’m fine with keeping Kreider until the deadline.
The time to strike in free agency is now. The 2020 UFA class is very weak.
Fingers crossed for Bread.
haohmaru
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The time to trade Kreider is right now. His value decreases the closer you get to the deadline because his salary, for this year, is considered "value" and the team signing him can negotiate a new contract, if they wish, this summer.
If Gorton & Co. are really planning on bringing in any non-filler UFA's, then now is the time for 20 to hit the road.
Chalfdiggity3
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I agree with the second part with panarin. I dont want him at 12m per and honestly it to much for a winger who doesn't drive his own line. Marner yes, especially bc he is 22 and fits our time line. I'm not saying to offer sheet marner. I'm just giving an example of a player
The part I disagree with you is about Staal. until someone shows that they can take his spot he is fine to play and mentor the kids. When someone is ready he sits. All three of their buyout cap hits are not good. Staal is not a locker room problem and will be fine sitting on the bench when needed. Again, we are NOT even a playoff bubble team, why kill our cap for years down the road for when we are a playoff team when its unnecessary? 3-6m in dead cap space for 4 years depending upon who you want to buy out is a short sighted move. I dont want to have to deal with that problem when we are competing.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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I'm not sure how much Panarin was ever really a consideration in the first place.
As it stands now the following teams don't have all of their roster slots in a row, nor have the space to fill it by signing guys:
Something is going to give
Pittsburgh is hamstrung... they don't have prospects that can step in... and they need 3 forwards with $4M in space. They are scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Edmonton... Chiarelli left them in a state of f***ed with the cap. They need forward depth, and depth defensemen. They do have players that can step in and help.... but that isn't going to make them a team to contend with.... oh and they need a goalie.
Washington is going to have to walkaway from a Burkovsky & Connolly, they can't retain on him. They'll need to sign Vrana... and scrape the bottom of the barrel for a 4th line. This is after the Niskanen downgrade. They downgraded their defense, and will have to watch 25 goals go out of the lineup without any replacement.
San Jose needs to re-sign Labanc & Meier. A 55 point man, and a 30 goal scorer. With $14M in space. Oh and they need another 5 forwards. They've got 2 really good prospects, and a cheap option that they can re-sign in Gambrell. Thornton and Pavelski are on the outside looking in as of now.
Something is going to give
- Vegas
- Pittsburgh
- Edmonton
- Washington
- San Jose
Pittsburgh is hamstrung... they don't have prospects that can step in... and they need 3 forwards with $4M in space. They are scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Edmonton... Chiarelli left them in a state of f***ed with the cap. They need forward depth, and depth defensemen. They do have players that can step in and help.... but that isn't going to make them a team to contend with.... oh and they need a goalie.
Washington is going to have to walkaway from a Burkovsky & Connolly, they can't retain on him. They'll need to sign Vrana... and scrape the bottom of the barrel for a 4th line. This is after the Niskanen downgrade. They downgraded their defense, and will have to watch 25 goals go out of the lineup without any replacement.
San Jose needs to re-sign Labanc & Meier. A 55 point man, and a 30 goal scorer. With $14M in space. Oh and they need another 5 forwards. They've got 2 really good prospects, and a cheap option that they can re-sign in Gambrell. Thornton and Pavelski are on the outside looking in as of now.
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