Speculation: Roster Building Thread LII: Countdown to Free Agency

[GAGLine]

People seemed to get very pissy in my Nylander thread

I'm still trying to figure out why you included the rights to a pending UFA, one whom we can talk to today for free, plays a position we don't need, is at an age that doesn't fit the rebuild, and will cost far more than we'd want to pay.

Take him out and the deal make more sense, though I have no desire to trade Miller.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I agree with the second part with panarin. I dont want him at 12m per and honestly it to much for a winger who doesn't drive his own line. Marner yes, especially bc he is 22 and fits our time line.

The part I disagree with you is about Staal. until someone shows that they can take his spot he is fine to play and mentor the kids. When someone is ready he sits. All three of their buyout cap hits are not good. Staal is not a locker room problem and will be fine sitting on the bench when needed. Again, we are NOT even a playoff bubble team, why kill our cap for years down the road for when we are a playoff team when its unnecessary? 3-6m in dead cap space for 4 years depending upon who you want to buy out is a short sighted move. I dont want to have to deal with that problem when we are competing.

Staal was heavily outplayed by Hajek at camp last year. Hajek went down and by all accounts was dreadful in Hartford, gets called up and again, looks a billion times better than Staal... Now it worked out in the long run because running Hajek out there instead of Staal would probably result in us not having Kakko, but should that situation arise again, I don't want the same outcome to play out again.

He should be sitting even if Rykov/Lindgren/whoever is deemed to be not ready. Smith and Shattenkirk are both better players.

 

[Alluckks]

I'm still trying to figure out why you included the rights to a pending UFA, one whom we can talk to today for free, plays a position we don't need, is at an age that doesn't fit the rebuild, and will cost far more than we'd want to pay.

Take him out and the deal make more sense, though I have no desire to trade Miller.

Because I was drinking and forgot lol

 

[NYRangers0723]

I'm not sure how much Panarin was ever really a consideration in the first place.

I bet not much. Plus im not in favor of giving him that contract anyway. Before dumping Kreider we still should see if a deal is still a possibility. Despite what some say he brings a lot of things that arent easily replaceable

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I bet not much. Plus im not in favor of giving him that contract anyway. Before dumping Kreider we still should see if a deal is still a possibility. Despite what some say he brings a lot of things that arent easily replaceable

I would have some concerns about the contract as well.

 

[GAGLine]

I agree with the second part with panarin. I dont want him at 12m per and honestly it to much for a winger who doesn't drive his own line. Marner yes, especially bc he is 22 and fits our time line. I'm not saying to offer sheet marner. I'm just giving an example of a player

The part I disagree with you is about Staal. until someone shows that they can take his spot he is fine to play and mentor the kids. When someone is ready he sits. All three of their buyout cap hits are not good. Staal is not a locker room problem and will be fine sitting on the bench when needed. Again, we are NOT even a playoff bubble team, why kill our cap for years down the road for when we are a playoff team when its unnecessary? 3-6m in dead cap space for 4 years depending upon who you want to buy out is a short sighted move. I dont want to have to deal with that problem when we are competing.

It's not that much in years 3 and 4 though, as I illustrated earlier with the Shatty buyout. It's very manageable and will run out at the same time Girardi's does.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I bet not much. Plus im not in favor of giving him that contract anyway. Before dumping Kreider we still should see if a deal is still a possibility. Despite what some say he brings a lot of things that arent easily replaceable

This is true, his lost will be felt harder than it was than anyone else that we've moved since the letter IMO.

OTOH, those things are not worth the risk of 7 million a year.

 

[Alfie Solomons]

I'm not sure how much Panarin was ever really a consideration in the first place.

I think you are correct. I do think the X in the equation is JD. I do not think Gorton was going to pursue Panarin going into the off season. However we do not know if JD has changed the plan.

Perhaps Gorton was all in for Panarin until JD took over. We really don't know.

I think the Rangers will make an offer. That is my opinion. Do I think it is the highest offer Panarin receives? Probably not with taxes taken into consideration.

My own speculation is the Rangers will end up with Simmonds and Brassard, buy out Smith, keep Shattenkirk, and Staal.

Perhaps they resign Kreider if not they trade him at the deadline. Perhaps they trade Vecsey, I don't think they will have a market for Names.

 

[egelband]

Not to my knowledge. The speculation is based on his usage last year. If we carry 23, Smith can be both a spare forward and a spare dman.

I would imagine, if they are using Smith as both a D and an F they could just carry 22, even. Save some cap.... Just in case something materializes. Also not having to sit a young guy in the press box is probably preferable. Splitting hairs, I know

 

[ETTER DE]

It's not that much in years 3 and 4 though, as I illustrated earlier with the Shatty buyout. It's very manageable and will run out at the same time Girardi's does.

Not that I like dead cap space, but if it is needed to sign a premier player you have to do it. No reason to wait and then sign an inferior player to the same cap hit in two years.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I think you are correct. I do think the X in the equation is JD. I do not think Gorton was going to pursue Panarin going into the off season. However we do not know if JD has changed the plan.

Perhaps Gorton was all in for Panarin until JD took over. We really don't know.

I think the Rangers will make an offer. That is my opinion. Do I think it is the highest offer Panarin receives? Probably not with taxes taken into consideration.

My own speculation is the Rangers will end up with Simmonds and Brassard, buy out Smith, keep Shattenkirk, and Staal.

Perhaps they resign Kreider. Perhaps they trade Vecsey, I don't think they will have a market for Names.

As of now, I don't see a needs for Simmonds or where he really fits. Right now they have Kreider, Buch, Fast, Lemieux, Vesey/Names/Chytil/Strome and possibly Kakko/Kravtsov on the wing.

No really interest in Brassard, unless it's a low-term, short-term contract to be a stopgap a la Steve Rucchin.

 

[Levitate]

Simmonds is trash now same with Brassard. Age hit hem hard. No point unless it’s a one year deal for “veteran leadership” but even then I’m not sure it makes sense

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Staal was heavily outplayed by Hajek at camp last year. Hajek went down and by all accounts was dreadful in Hartford, gets called up and again, looks a billion times better than Staal... Now it worked out in the long run because running Hajek out there instead of Staal would probably result in us not having Kakko, but should that situation arise again, I don't want the same outcome to play out again.

He should be sitting even if Rykov/Lindgren/whoever is deemed to be not ready. Smith and Shattenkirk are both better players.

Then let them sit and collect their paycheck in the press box. Staal's buyout is terrible. Doing that we have 4m in dead cap space for 4 years. If the kids beat them out then it's coach Quinn who needs to sit them and let the young kids play.

We are still 2 years away from competing. What's the issue with letting the contracts run out and having all of that cap space for when we are ready to compete for the cup

 

[egelband]

To be clear, my suggestion was something of a joke. But given that it is in our interests that he resigns with Dallas, we should at least communicate with Dallas.

"Hi Mats. Thanks for agreeing to meet with us. So, here's our offer. We know Dallas is offering more and there's no state income tax in Texas. And we don't have guys with cool beards like Jamie Benn. And we don't have a really tall goalie like Dallas does. So we get it. Just wanted to tryyyy".

 

[Vitto79]

So is there zero chance Staal is traded ?

Does he have a full no move still ? Would he go to his Bros teams ?

 

[egelband]

**** what if it’s Hayes talking to Zucc

Then he'll have to stoop over.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

It's not that much in years 3 and 4 though, as I illustrated earlier with the Shatty buyout. It's very manageable and will run out at the same time Girardi's does.

Yea but what do we need the cap space for right now? I dont get the reasoning behind it. Every dollar counts in a cap world and we will need every dollar especially when we are ready to compete

 

[egelband]

Funny you mention the flyers and zucc.

The game I was at in philly where the hot philly fan rubbed her butt on the top of my head after a goal (she was in the row above me with like 2 other girls and their boyfriends-all flyer fear)

I remember it well. It was lockout shortened season in 12-13. I was there with my dad, I took him on a work trip to show him I do, so he could do it himself on Long Island, and to go to a game.

The rangers were playing like crap. The only guy going, was a recently called-up zucc fresh off resigning after playing the 1st half in the KHL.

During a timeout, zucc’s skating around in front of the bench and I let out a zuccccc from the mid tier and his eyes shot right up at me and my dad.

That was the 1st time my dad was like oh ****, they do hear you. And i was like, that’s what I’ve learnt

Flyer chick rubbed her butt on my head after a goal

I love it

And your dad is Cliff Fletcher, or something??

Just kidding

 

[Alfie Solomons]

As of now, I don't see a needs for Simmonds or where he really fits. Right now they have Kreider, Buch, Fast, Lemieux, Vesey/Names/Chytil/Strome and possibly Kakko on the wing.

No really interest in Brassard, unless it's a low-term, short-term contract to be a stopgap a la Steve Rucchin.

I see your point but the Rangers should bring in vets on short term contracts. I think Simmonds and Brassard as one year stop gaps both help the prospects develop and can be used as assets at the deadline.

I think Simmonds has lost a step but I think he is the sort of forward Quinn would want.

Do you think the Rangers should target any free agents? I do. I think bringing in 2 veteran forwards who won't get in the way of the rebuild is something the Rangers should consider. Perhaps not Simmonds and Brassard. Just 2 names I would consider.

 

[NYRangers0723]

So is there zero chance Staal is traded ?

Does he have a full no move still ? Would he go to his Bros teams ?

No chance. Even without NMC it would be tough unless we were taking back a bad contract

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Not that I like dead cap space, but if it is needed to sign a premier player you have to do it. No reason to wait and then sign an inferior player to the same cap hit in two years.

Like who? Panarin isnt worth in my eyes 12m aav. Duchene I wouldn't mind to play our 2nd line but I already know the pulse on that. We are not a playoff team with either of them and if you think we are then we are a bubble team at best.. why not just play hard let the season play out, get another top 10 pick continue the rebuild the right way and in year 2 if we need to buy them out that's fine bc it's only 2 years of dead space and less money being tied up.

We made great trades bc of the space we have. We can only continue to do that IF we have cap space

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I see your point but the Rangers should bring in vets on short term contracts. I think Simmonds and Brassard as one year stop gaps both help the prospects develop and can be used as assets at the deadline.

I think Simmonds has lost a step but I think he is the sort of forward Quinn would want.

Do you think the Rangers should target any free agents? I do. I think bringing in 2 veteran forwards who won't get in the way of the rebuild is something the Rangers should consider. Perhaps not Simmonds and Brassard. Just 2 names I would consider.

This is what I'd rather do for this offseasons. Bring in positive locker room guys that can play.. filipula, Boyle, panik, ennis.. players who will sign cheap short term deals. Then flip them at the deadline for more draft capital in a deep draft. Save cap space for trades

 

[Synergy27]

Need to avoid the bubble next year. That is all. East is stacked though so that shouldn’t be too hard.

 

[Edge]

I'm not sure how much Panarin was ever really a consideration in the first place.

A consideration, yes.

A likely outcome, not so much.

The thought for a while has been Florida having the inside track.

 

[Alluckks]

I'm actually surprised at how many people wouldn't trade Miller for Nylander