Speculation: Roster Building Thread LII: Countdown to Free Agency

[Rongomania]

I just keep praying Andersson and/or Howden can take a major leap and fill that 2C role

This is key. These two at 2/3 C would be a fantastic set up. I think we haven't even seen the beginning of either one of these guys. I also can't stop thinking that everyone's ceiling can be raised after inserting Krav & Kakko.

When Quinn said "I became a better coach today." After the lottery drawing, he wasn't kidding. In so many ways.

I would love to see Kakko & Andersson click for ten years, it would make my heart warm crushing all haters of 20 yr old Lias.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

What did Marleau do wrong by Toronto?

6.25M X 3 years for sub 50 point production with a full NMC.

Ask yourself, if Toronto can go back do you think they sign him knowing what they know now? I honestly don't. I respect his leadership qualities, but if you want that kind of veteran on your team you can find one for less money.

It's crazy how much the NHL has shifted from the 80's, 90's, 2000's, and the current era we're in. You do see guys playing, and playing well in their 30's, but the NHL has gotten so much younger and faster. It's a young man's game.

We are a very young team and I wouldn't mind a veteran signing. Pavelski, imo is going to cost too much and will want that extra year or two. Find me a 1 year stop gap and I won't hate it. But 3 years @ 6M with a NMC makes me queasy.

 

[Kovalev27]

Chytil is not a rookie anymore plenty of teams let kids center their middle six lines. He’s here 2 years now this will be his third. Time to let him run with it. If he can’t handle it you try someone else in the middle. But no reason to sign a veteran center. They aren’t rookies anymore Chytil and Howden.

 

[RGY]

This is key. These two at 2/3 C would be a fantastic set up. I think we haven't even seen the beginning of either one of these guys. I also can't stop thinking that everyone's ceiling can be raised after inserting Krav & Kakko.

When Quinn said "I became a better coach today." After the lottery drawing, he wasn't kidding. In so many ways.

I would love to see Kakko & Andersson click for ten years, it would make my heart warm crushing all haters of 20 yr old Lias.

It sure is a key. However, there is no guarantee that takes place this season OR that they are ready for 2nd line minutes.

Just for the sake of having a discussion, Pavelski would be the perfect addition. Guy is a leader. If one of those two kids surprise, Pavelski could always slide to 3C, which we would still have wingers to play with him. You could also leave Pavelski at 2C for this year, keeping the minutes sheltered for Howden/Lias and then swap them next year. No need to rush or squeeze them into spots. Thats the flexibility Pavelski gives you at the 2C spot.

Spezza is barely a 3C at this point. Brassard is a 3C who could handle the 2C minutes but isnt best suited for it.

 

[GregSirico]

Panarin day ....

 

[RGY]

Chytil is not a rookie anymore plenty of teams let kids center their middle six lines. He’s here 2 years now this will be his third. Time to let him run with it. If he can’t handle it you try someone else in the middle. But no reason to sign a veteran center. They aren’t rookies anymore Chytil and Howden.

Chytil may be best served on the wing. So then what? Why force him into the 2C spot if he will be more impactful on the wing?

Fill out the roster if you can. If financially it makes sense.

 

[bobbop]

The Rangers will need cap space in three years when Kakko, Kravtsov and Fox will all be up. Until then, they can find plenty of room. Three year contracts. Where Toronto screwed up is that they gave Marleau three years when they needed that space for Marner and Mathews in the third year.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Well then. let's not sign any player who ever had an injury then

That's a little over the top. I won't re-hash my argument from yesterday, but there is a huge amount of evidence that only a micro-percentage of players are successful after the age of 35. Pavelski is turning 35 this summer and is coming off a concussion.

Signing players with an injury history is fine (Trouba...) but signing players who are old and have a recent injury history is a recipe for disaster.

What a ****ing nonsense are you talking about? Did you read the post or just decided to fart this out?

You need to calm down man. The forum is a place for debates. Pavelski is turning 35. There were 15 forward last year who played and were 35 and over. 5 of them played less than 5 games. The rest had pretty mediocre to bad seasons, sans a few (Thornton, Kovalchuk, Etc.). It's just a terrible idea to sign guys who are 35 and over. Not to mention one coming off a concussion.

And that's fine. But people shouldn't use bull**** arguments like "Oh, Pavelski is injury prone"

Maybe injury prone isn't the right term over his career. But he is literally coming off a concussion which made him miss significant time in the playoffs. That should undoubtedly be a red flag to anyone interested in giving him a contract.

 

[Kovalev27]

Chytil may be best served on the wing. So then what? Why force him into the 2C spot if he will be more impactful on the wing?

Fill out the roster if you can. If financially it makes sense.

I don’t think putting a natural offensive center going into his 3rd year is forcing him into it. He should be given the chance to run with the job. You sign a pavelski and you are the Forcing him to wing. The org says he’s a center. Only fans here continue to say he’s not.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

That's a little over the top. I won't re-hash my argument from yesterday, but there is a huge amount of evidence that only a micro-percentage of players are successful after the age of 35. Pavelski is turning 35 this summer and is coming off a concussion.

Signing players with an injury history is fine (Trouba...) but signing players who are old and have a recent injury history is a recipe for disaster.



You need to calm down man. The forum is a place for debates. Pavelski is turning 35. There were 15 forward last year who played and were 35 and over. 5 of them played less than 5 games. The rest had pretty mediocre to bad seasons, sans a few (Thornton, Kovalchuk, Etc.). It's just a terrible idea to sign guys who are 35 and over. Not to mention one coming off a concussion.



Maybe injury prone isn't the right term over his career. But he is literally coming off a concussion which made him miss significant time in the playoffs. That should undoubtedly be a red flag to anyone interested in giving him a contract.

Let's not trade for McDavid guys. He had a knee injury and it may affect him later on.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Then just say that you think having Zibanejad and Buchnech as top-6 vets is enough and that kids will figure it out instead of this nonsense you posted instead.

Veteran players who play other positions can also be mentors to young teammates.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Let's not trade for McDavid guys. He had a knee injury and it may affect him later on.

It's a shame that you responded to my post in this way when I very clearly addressed the exact comparison you are making.

 

[Crease]

I feel like Andersson is going to go the way of Malhotra. Disappoint fans, get moved, and have a solid career as 3C elsewhere.

 

[eco's bones]

Just a bit on Pavelski. He is old but he's not been injury prone and he's an easy guy to like and root for. He's a serious leadership guy. He's also got the best stick in the league when it comes to deflecting pucks into the net. On a short 2-3 year term I'd be okay with that. 4 would be pushing it.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

It's a shame that you responded to my post in this way when I very clearly addressed the exact comparison you are making.

It's more aimed at the other guy. I'm on my phone so it's a bit tricky to select specific parts of posts in a quote as I usually do

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

It's more aimed at the other guy. I'm on my phone so it's a bit tricky to select specific parts of posts in a quote as I usually do

McDavid is 22 years old. He is in no way comparable to a 35 year old Pavelski. It's just a poor comparison.

Comparing Panarin to Pavelski is similarly as bad.

Pavelski is 35 years old and coming off one of the more serious injuries of his career. I have no interest in giving him the type of contract that he will very likely receive on the open market.

If he wants a 1 or 2 year deal at 3-4 million, I'd consider it. But that's as likely as us trading Kreider+Buchnevich for McDAvid.

 

[darko]

I'd offer Pavelski 2/14 in a heartbeat.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Chytil is not a rookie anymore plenty of teams let kids center their middle six lines. He’s here 2 years now this will be his third. Time to let him run with it. If he can’t handle it you try someone else in the middle. But no reason to sign a veteran center. They aren’t rookies anymore Chytil and Howden.

I agree with you. But it's a bit of a stretch to consider his 9 game call-up 2 years ago a 'season.'

 

[Thirty One]

I feel like Andersson is going to go the way of Malhotra. Disappoint fans, get moved, and have a solid career as 3C elsewhere.

I'll be honest, I good use another go-around with Rucinsky.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Chytil is not a rookie anymore plenty of teams let kids center their middle six lines. He’s here 2 years now this will be his third. Time to let him run with it. If he can’t handle it you try someone else in the middle. But no reason to sign a veteran center. They aren’t rookies anymore Chytil and Howden.

No, he needs to be SHELTERED, like the rest of our team. Big scary men play hockey and it might hurt his development to expect anything.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I'd offer Pavelski 2/14 in a heartbeat.

2M for 14 years! That's bonkers!

 

[Crease]

I'll be honest, I good use another go-around with Rucinsky.

One of my favorites, and bizarrely overpowered in EA Sports.

 

[darko]

2M for 14 years! That's bonkers!

Cap circumvention.

 

[QJL]

You know what Marleau did in Toronto? He was an AMAZING mentor to Matthews and Marner. Regardless of how he was on the ice, that was huge for Toronto and can't be overlooked as part of his value.

I can say confidently that 2020 1st round pick > Marleau’s mentorship and two years of $2m of production on a $6m contract.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I feel like Andersson is going to go the way of Malhotra. Disappoint fans, get moved, and have a solid career as 3C elsewhere.

Could see that. He's kind of been forced into a "make or break" year given the tone of the rebuild. If he had been drafted 2 or 3 years earlier he may have been given a longer leash, so to speak, to develop.

Andersson could be a key component to this teams success looking at the next few seasons. If he dries up and becomes a career AHL guy or is moved, I don't think the Rangers will have a hard time finding a replacement - but he would go down as a bust considering the spot they choose him at.

However, if he becomes a legit responsible 2-way lower line NHL threat who competes and can move up and down the lineup that could really push the Rangers to another level. It's a big year for him no doubt. I think we need to have a little patience, but once Jan/Feb rolls around we need to know what we have with him.