Speculation: Roster Building Thread LII: Countdown to Free Agency

[TheBloodyNine]

So you are predicting he will be injury prone in the future? That's impressive

I think that's a common sense approach for sure. Players bodies are more likely to start breaking down well before 35. And like I edited my post, he just suffered a concussion in the playoffs that was fairly serious.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

They also just dealt a 1st to dump Marleau’s contract.

I love Pavelski and I’d take him for 1-2 years at his age/mileage, but some team will give him 3-4 years at a high rate.

That was because they need the cap space, not because Marleau isn't good enough

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I think that's a common sense approach for sure. Players bodies are more likely to start breaking down well before 35. And like I edited my post, he just suffered a concussion in the playoffs that was fairly serious.

Well then. let's not sign any player who ever had an injury then

 

[Good Intentions]

I just keep praying Andersson and/or Howden can take a major leap and fill that 2C role

2C? Asking a lot. I don't see that - but I'll bet on Howden succeeding as a New York Ranger.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Well then. let's not sign any player who ever had an injury then

Let's just not sign a 35 year old player who has had a recent serious injury.

 

[EpicDing]

Are we immune to the salary cap or something?

Did I say that? We don't have anywhere near the issues Toronto does, don't be ridiculous.

Sign him 3 years, he expires when our big ELCs do.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Let's just not sign a 35 year old player who has had a recent serious injury.

Or, lets just make sure we don't do something stupid like give him 3-4 years. Pavelski on a 1-2 year deal would be a good move.

 

[Off Sides]

I would be fine without a single UFA signing.

Me as well, I'd add no buyouts either.

If there are good trades to be made during the whole UFA/RFA periods, that is where I think they should be focusing.

NHL teams are going to overspend that is what they do, let them, then "help" them for a nominal charge.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

That was because they need the cap space, not because Marleau isn't good enough

When Toronto signed Marleau they had plenty of cap space. That third year was killer though. He has slowed down quite a bit. Vesey almost outproduced him last year.

Vets want term. It might be the main reason why Zucc won't re-sign in Dallas. Pavs is still a good player despite being 35. He's had a very good career. Unless it's with a legit contender, I don't see him taking a deal shorter than 3 years though.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Why can't people just say " I dont' want to sign this guy and I don't think the fit is good for the Rangers" instead of pushing bullshit narratives to bash other posters over the head with?

 

[Barnaby]

One problem with hanging onto Kreider is if this team surprises and is in the conversation for a bubble spot. Let’s say they’re 3 games out of the playoffs at the deadline. You deal Kreider as a rental? He’s probably on your top line and one of the teams vets. Or do you keep him and let him walk? What message does that send to the team? You could always re-up him at that point, but they don’t seem all that interested in doing that right now (nor would I).

 

[kovazub94]

What boxes? Old? Injury prone? Expensive? On the downside of his career? Seems like the exact opposite type of player the Rangers are looking for.

What a f***ing nonsense are you talking about? Did you read the post or just decided to fart this out?

Let me break it down for you in pieces:

1. If Kreider is traded and Panarin is not signed it leaves Zibanejad and Buchnevich as the only vets who have unquestionable top-6 talent (some would reasonably argue that Buch should not be mentioned here). That's it. You'd like to expose kids like that? I don't.
2. What are other plan B options? IMHO Spezza, Perry or Brassard - names that have been thrown around would do absolutely nothing in terms of protecting kids by taking on roles they are not ready for. All three were pushed way down the roster by their teams and I don't see a reason to count on that their decline is temporary.
3. Pavelski? From '13-'14 he had 79-70-78-68-66-64 points. He scored 41-37-38-29-22-38 goals. Played 82-82-82-81-82-75 games. Injury prone? downside of his career? Is this your definition of slowing down? His leadership qualities and ability to lead youngsters by example have been on display for years. He's a an unquestionable top-6 center (and versatile enough to play wing if necessary). The only question is if he'd be willing to come over at this stage of the Rangers rebuild and how short of a contract he'd be willing to accept.

P.S. BTW if Kreider is moved, Pavelski would be the BEST net front replacement on PP.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

When Toronto signed Marleau they had plenty of cap space. That third year was killer though. He has slowed down quite a bit. Vesey almost outproduced him last year.

Vets want term. It might be the main reason why Zucc won't re-sign in Dallas. Pavs is still a good player despite being 35. He's had a very good career. Unless it's with a legit contender, I don't see him taking a deal shorter than 3 years though.

And that's fine. But people shouldn't use bullshit arguments like "Oh, Pavelski is injury prone"

 

[TheBloodyNine]

What a ****ing nonsense are you talking about? Did you read the post or just decided to fart this out?

Let me break it down for you in pieces:

1. If Kreider is traded and Panarin is not signed it leaves Zibanejad and Buchnevich as the only vets who have unquestionable top-6 talent (some would reasonably argue that Buch should not be mentioned here). That's it. You'd like to expose kids like that? I don't.
2. What are other plan B options? IMHO Spezza, Perry or Brassard - names that have been thrown around would do absolutely nothing in terms of protecting kids by taking on roles they are not ready for. All three were pushed way down the roster by their teams and I don't see a reason to count on that their decline is temporary.
3. Pavelski? From '13-'14 he had 79-70-78-68-66-64 points. He scored 41-37-38-29-22-38 goals. Played 82-82-82-81-82-75 games. Injury prone? downside of his career? Is this your definition of slowing down? His leadership qualities and ability to lead youngsters by example have been on display for years. He's a an unquestionable top-6 center (and versatile enough to play wing if necessary). The only question is if he'd be willing to come over at this stage of the Rangers rebuild and how short of a contract he'd be willing to accept.

Here's a plan B - Do nothing. We already have vets on our team. Pavelski would be a bad idea.

 

[RGY]

So you are predicting he will be injury prone in the future? That's impressive

Whatever fits his narrative as per the usual.

He had a concussion Steve! He is going to completely fall apart now!

 

[Barnaby]

That was because they need the cap space, not because Marleau isn't good enough

Probably a little column A and a little column B. They need the cap room, but if he was that essential and they were willing to give up prime pieces then they prob could have kept him and moved someone else. Also, what about our future cap space? Today, no. If we gave Pavelski 3-4 years then it will eventually be an issue. I love Pavelski... just not sure he’d make sense at what he’ll command.

 

[Gardner McKay]

And that's fine. But people shouldn't use bull**** arguments like "Oh, Pavelski is injury prone"

We shouldn't try to sign Panarin. He missed that one game that one time.

 

[kovazub94]

Remind me what happened with Marleau? What did he do in Toronto?

Why can't we learn from our mistakes? Or from other teams mistakes?

Like Berserk mentioned, he's the opposite of what Gorton has been looking for since taking over here.

What did Marleau do wrong by Toronto?

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Plays the shanahan role from the late 2000s

Shanahan was still productive.

 

[RGY]

We shouldn't try to sign Panarin. He missed that one game that one time.

Next arguments will be he doesn’t have us on his list! He isnt coming here! He will never sign a 2 year deal! He is going to be too expensive!

And all along i thought this was a forum with a threat titled “roster building” to discuss all possible alternatives. Anyone who thinks outside the box is stupid. Meanwhile we have no idea what the players and teams are thinking. Things can change

 

[kovazub94]

Here's a plan B - Do nothing. We already have vets on our team. Pavelski would be a bad idea.

Then just say that you think having Zibanejad and Buchnech as top-6 vets is enough and that kids will figure it out instead of this nonsense you posted instead.

 

[Off Sides]

One problem with hanging onto Kreider is if this team surprises and is in the conversation for a bubble spot. Let’s say they’re 3 games out of the playoffs at the deadline. You deal Kreider as a rental? He’s probably on your top line and one of the teams vets. Or do you keep him and let him walk? What message does that send to the team? You could always re-up him at that point, but they don’t seem all that interested in doing that right now (nor would I).

I think I'd still take that chance.

I'd rather be faced with next deadline in that situation; should I sell Kreider for this return, or should I self rent him, or even extend him, as I may not end up in that situation anyway. And I'd still have the option of selling and yet also buying to send a better message.

Rather than right now, sell him for less than I can probably get next deadline, or extend him to something I don't want to.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

One problem with hanging onto Kreider is if this team surprises and is in the conversation for a bubble spot. Let’s say they’re 3 games out of the playoffs at the deadline. You deal Kreider as a rental? He’s probably on your top line and one of the teams vets. Or do you keep him and let him walk? What message does that send to the team? You could always re-up him at that point, but they don’t seem all that interested in doing that right now (nor would I).

Yea I mean that is the real pickle they are in, no way around it. Maybe value will work out in the next few weeks but I am skeptical, would put money on it playing out this way.

 

[Barnaby]

I think most people agree that they’d love to have Pavelski at 1-2 years. I think most will also agree that he’ll get 3-4 years. I’m interested in the former which most likely is unrealistic unless maybe he takes it to stay in SJ. I’m not interested in the latter. Pavelski has not been injury prone at all though... Guy is a warrior. With that said, time will likely start catching up to him sooner rather than later.

 

[eco's bones]

I think he'd just sign in SJ if 2-3 years at a good cap hit was realistic.

San Jose has less than $15 mil to work with and Timo Meier--30 goals/66 points and Kevin Labanc 57 points to sign. Also their captain Joe Thornton and a few others so.........I don't know what a Pavelski good cap hit is going to look like but to me Meier's a $7 mil player and Labanc's a $5 mil. I suspect that Pavelski's days as a a Shark are over.