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Speculation: Roster Building Thread LII: Countdown to Free Agency

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Still think you hang on to Shattenkirk at least to start the season. Let's him rebuild his value where he would likely garner some value at the TDL @ 50%.

Start the year with Trouba/Shattenkirk/ADA on the right unless Fox out plays someone in camp.
 
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UAGoalieGuy said:
Still think you hang on to Shattenkirk at least to start the season. Let's him rebuild his value where he would likely garner some value at the TDL @ 50%.

Start the year with Trouba/Shattenkirk/ADA on the right unless Fox out plays someone in camp.
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I don't think Shattenkirk is a bad player and might even argue he still has a chance to re-gain his pre-Rangers level.

He has never had a chance to get going here and I really wonder if it's not more of a matter of circumstance than actual ability that he has failed so miserably. You can basically break down his tenure as follows:

Phase 1: Struggles under AV's horrid system + being on a god awful defensive team
Phase 2: Serious Injury
Phase 3: Return from injury + adapting to yet another new coaches system

I think it's completely understandable to see why he has struggled in his time here. He has basically had to learn a new defensive structure in each of his years here + throw in the serious injury to an area of his body that is key to his style.

I'm actually shocked that other teams won't take him on at 50% and if I was a GM I would be banging down the Rangers door to try to grab him as a reclamation project at a cheap price. Especially if you're a contender with a need on 2nd/3rd line RHD.
 
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Faceless said:
I don't think Shattenkirk is a bad player and might even argue he still has a chance to re-gain his pre-Rangers level.

He has never had a chance to get going here and I really wonder if it's not more of a matter of circumstance than actual ability that he has failed so miserably. You can basically break down his tenure as follows:

Phase 1: Struggles under AV's horrid system + being on a god awful defensive team
Phase 2: Serious Injury
Phase 3: Return from injury + adapting to yet another new coaches system

I think it's completely understandable to see why he has struggled in his time here. He has basically had to learn a new defensive structure in each of his years here + throw in the serious injury to an area of his body that is key to his style.

I'm actually shocked that other teams won't take him on at 50% and if I was a GM I would be banging down the Rangers door to try to grab him as a reclamation project at a cheap price. Especially if you're a contender with a need on 2nd/3rd line RHD.
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I think it has to do with the shock factor of the cap only being $81.5MM now and before that the uncertainty of where the cap would be.

I think there will be interest in him towards the end of July/August timeframes when the UFA dust settles and teams rosters are starting to become more firm.

Since the expansion draft isnt until the summer of 21 there are no worries that he would need to be protected (even if he had to be with a modified NTC, though I believe he has a NMC as well).
 
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UAGoalieGuy said:
I think it has to do with the shock factor of the cap only being $81.5MM now and before that the uncertainty of where the cap would be.

I think there will be interest in him towards the end of July/August timeframes when the UFA dust settles and teams rosters are starting to become more firm.

Since the expansion draft isnt until the summer of 21 there are no worries that he would need to be protected (even if he had to be with a modified NTC, though I believe he has a NMC as well).
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Agreed. I also tend to think people overestimate the desire for players at the draft versus the deadline.

Teams can see how they shake out. They have the draft, then camps, then FA. If there are holes, trades can still take place before the beginning of training camp or even into it. I don't see any need to rushing and if I was a GM, I certainly wouldn't be worrying about trading for guys at this very moment, especially with FA only a week or so away.
 
Blueshirts Banter just posted an article theorizing that Spezza, Perry or Pavelski could be options for us. What do you guys think/ want?
 
Whoop Whoop said:
Blueshirts Banter just posted an article theorizing that Spezza, Perry or Pavelski could be options for us. What do you guys think/ want?
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I don't really see the need for Perry unless we're trading 2 or more wingers and not signing anyone else. Spezza or Pavelski on 2-year contracts as middle-6 C options makes sense, though.
 
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Blueshirts Banter just posted an article theorizing that Spezza, Perry or Pavelski could be options for us. What do you guys think/ want?
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Pavelski will cost too much. The other two I'd be willing to take a flyer on but my guess is that some other team will likely offer than more than what I'd want to go.

So in theory, sure, in reality, probably no to definitely no.
 
don't see why pavelski would even consider us...he'll sign with a contender.

little interest in perry...we need a 2C not another winger...

spezza is pretty terrible at this point...but only guy from the group that makes any sense on a short term deal cause we need center depth. really not a fan of this option either, but unless you can make a trade the options for a stop gap in the middle are very limited.
 
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I don't really see the need for Perry unless we're trading 2 or more wingers and not signing anyone else. Spezza or Pavelski on 2-year contracts as middle-6 C options makes sense, though.
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Pavelski is Plan B to Panarin imo.

His contract would also be shorter in length which would fit better for when we need to pay out kids.

But i also dont find it likely he would choose the Rangers over a contender. However, him being a Center and the quality of player he still is would be a great addition.
 
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Are the Rangers moving out forwards to bring in any forwards?

They have 9 forwards signed, who I think most would expect to make the NHL as they spent most of the season last year in it

Plus 2 RFAs most would also expect to play

and then Beleskey and Nieves

Beyond that I'd assume most are expecting Kakko and Kravtsov?

15 forwards possible, they'll probably carry 13, so even if they eliminated two of that group, any they added would have to eliminate someone else.
 
Leetch3 said:
don't see why pavelski would even consider us...he'll sign with a contender.

little interest in perry...we need a 2C not another winger...

spezza is pretty terrible at this point...but only guy from the group that makes any sense on a short term deal cause we need center depth. really not a fan of this option either, but unless you can make a trade the options for a stop gap in the middle are very limited.
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This is not about nostalgia, but about the player and likely contract dollars they would get, thus i say Derrick Brassard for the 2C spot. He wouldnt cost a ton. Shorter term deal. And he could slide to 3C if one of the kids shows they are ready to take on 2C
 
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RGY said:
Pavelski is Plan B to Panarin imo.

His contract would also be shorter in length which would fit better for when we need to pay out kids.

But i also dont find it likely he would choose the Rangers over a contender. However, him being a Center and the quality of player he still is would be a great addition.
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You're going to have to try to entice him with money. That's the only chance. Overpay him and he might just do it. But a 2-year deal would end at the same time as all the other stuff coming off the books, so I'm not all that worried about it. It'll be tight maneuvering until then either way.
 
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I would be good with Pavelski, but as others have said I would think he will go to a serious contender only.

I'd like to see a little open competition this year at #2 C rather than a forced signing though. They have plenty of centers and it is unknown which one of them, if any, would grab that opportunity and run with it. But none of them can do so if it gets clogged up with an FA. The team is probably 1 more year away from contention so see what you've already got this season.
 
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You're going to have to try to entice him with money. That's the only chance. Overpay him and he might just do it. But a 2-year deal would end at the same time as all the other stuff coming off the books, so I'm not all that worried about it. It'll be tight maneuvering until then either way.
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This was kinda what I was thinking. A 2 year deal would be great and he is still producing at a high level.

But again I doubt he would be interested signing with us not knowing the team’s trajectory the next two seasons.
 
There are lists of who Pavelski is visiting and I didn't see the Rangers mentioned in any of these, so have a hard time believing he'd end up here.
 
Faceless said:
There are lists of who Pavelski is visiting and I didn't see the Rangers mentioned in any of these, so have a hard time believing he'd end up here.
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You are probably right.

Had he been interested, he would have been a good fit for 2C behind Zibanejad and his contract length.

I really dont have any interest in Spezza
 
UAGoalieGuy said:
Still think you hang on to Shattenkirk at least to start the season. Let's him rebuild his value where he would likely garner some value at the TDL @ 50%.

Start the year with Trouba/Shattenkirk/ADA on the right unless Fox out plays someone in camp.
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One concern there is that if Fox does play very well, I would be surprised if Quinn rolls out a lineup with all three RHD puck movers. We could consider playing ADA on the left but I doubt Quinn considers it seriously. We need 4 defensemen who can play regular PK minutes and last season Quinn played just about anybody, including Claesson and McQuaid, over ADA and Shatty on the kill.

Can Fox step in and kill penalties right away? Do we want him out there blocking shots his rookie season?

I think if Fox impresses the unfortunate likely scenario is ADA back in the press box for extended period, regardless of whether Shattenkirk plays well or not. I'm actually more positive about the scenario where Fox grows in the AHL, Shattenkirk plays OK is moved at the deadline, and then Fox comes up to fill his minutes. This scenario would also save us a second round pick from the conditions of the Fox trade.
 
RGY said:
This is not about nostalgia, but about the player and likely contract dollars they would get, thus i say Derrick Brassard for the 2C spot. He wouldnt cost a ton. Shorter term deal. And he could slide to 3C if one of the kids shows they are ready to take on 2C
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not sure what trade options might be out there but given the UFA options, brassard might be the best option on a short term deal.
 
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