Speculation: Roster Building Thread LII: Countdown to Free Agency

[Leetch3]

It's funny all the trashing of Gorton and saying stuff like he's asleep at the wheel or what not. Rick carpinello told me gmjg is the hardest working gm the rangers have had in his tenure. He said he works his ass off.
.and I believe it

other gms not giving you whatever you want = being asleep at the wheel

 

[Good Intentions]

Serious question: Where do we find the cap space to sign Panarin? We have 17m at the moment with Trouba, Lemieux, DeAngelo and Buchnevich still unsigned

Aside from the obvious suspect(s) to be bought out (and one of them will be), Vesey is out of that math equation too. I’m buying a scenario where we hold Kreider and have him play it out after all.

And while it’s not prediction time, I’m thinking Namestnikov ends up sticking better than Buch (that is if he even makes it to October).

NYR Reboot 2020 & Beyond, Chapter 7 - Panarin...Pay the man his money?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Panarin-Zibanejad-Kakko has the potential to be the best line in the league.

Could easily see 85-85-60 out of them next year.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Not sure the timing is right on Panarin. But I'm more in favor now than I was in Feb.

 

[duhmetreE]

You just can't commit that much cap to one player.

I just don't understand how or why he should get that.

80-90pt players typically command 12-15% cap hit.

 

[Edge]

Ya I’m guessing all of their Rangers sources are second hand information from other teams, aside from McKenzie. Gorton doesn’t leak ****.

Most reporters best sources are not the GMs. Having said that, a lot of GMs have a reasonable idea that info will get to the reporters. While they obviously won’t endorse it, they accept/live with it to an extent.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Inb4 we give Panarin 12MM and i think thats a bit much. I would prefer 11-11.5 range.

 

[duhmetreE]

I dont think Gorton offers 12, unless its a 5-6 years deal.

I can see him offering a 'fair' deal, in hopes Panarin just wants to come here. 7 year / 70-73.5

 

[Leetch3]

Basically buying him out now, only costs the rangers an extra 1.43m on the 4th year

Buy out now
19-20: 1.48m
20-21: 6m
21-22: 1.43m
22-23: 1.43m

Keep him to sit him or send him down and then buyout next year
19-20: 6.5 (to be a lineup decision headache)
20-21: 5.3m
21-22: 667K
22-23: 0.00

Just freaking buy him out now if you need to. Come on. He gets his money and will probably sign in Tampa

Not only that. Shattenkirk was quoted towards or at the end of the year, paraphrasing ‘he didn’t see this coming when he signed with the rangers, he didn’t expect the team or him to be in this position where the organization was/is heading and that it might not be the right fit anymore’

I don’t know word for word what I said, I just remember the gist of it. He’s ready to move on. If they keep him and try to platoon, it’s gonna become a headache and he’s gonna most likely end the season in Hartford, where as if you take care of it now, he gets to pick a team where he knows the gig is gonna be.

buying him out saves us virtually no cap space in year 2...so if you want to use the savings this year to take on a bad contract for 1 year in return for an asset that works but if you are talking about signing a guy for 7 years than clearing space in just year 1 doesn't work

 

[RGY]

I dont think Gorton offers 12, unless its a 5-6 years deal.

I can see him offering a 'fair' deal, in hopes Panarin just wants to come here. 7 year / 70-73.5

$10.5 million is my max. Likely wont be able to get it done unless he wants to be here. If not, oh well we move on to Plan B, C, D.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

BTW, I never asked this before, why is there a thought that Buch is getting traded? He finally seemed to put it all together and is young.

 

[Good Intentions]

Not sure the timing is right on Panarin. But I'm more in favor now than I was in Feb.

The timing talk is overdone IMO. The question is whether he warrants this type of commitment at all.

 

[Alluckks]

31 Takes: Draft weekend grades for every NHL team

Bahaha he quotes my proposal that I completely fudged because I forgot Gardiner was a UFA (that said you can definitely trade for negotiating rights, but we'd have no use for those, the idea was originally just for them to shed salary and us to get another asset to trade)
I assume he was quoting in tongue in cheek for that reason

I was messing with the general idea value-wise of Miller+ for Nylander (I am painfully aware how staunchly each fanbase hates it)

 

[Good Intentions]

Inb4 we give Panarin 12MM and i think thats a bit much. I would prefer 11-11.5 range.

Ah, so you’d prefer to pay slightly less than what is widely reported. Profound.

 

[NernieBichols]

buying him out saves us virtually no cap space in year 2...so if you want to use the savings this year to take on a bad contract for 1 year in return for an asset that works but if you are talking about signing a guy for 7 years than clearing space in just year 1 doesn't work

It was said in the context of how do you even pay panarin and combo of names/vesey and buyout of shattenkirk and that’s not even taking kreids into account.

But what the savings next year will do, is if gorts signs panarin and can’t find a market deal over the summer for kreids. It pays for Kreiders salary and cap hit.

And to your final point. There’s money coming off the books every year till whatever summer Hanks deal runs out, and at that point currently the only guys signed past that summer are skjei and Mika and soon to be trouba

 

[JayMan82]

Is it bad for me to say that I’d rather see us shed some additional assets while keeping it conservative and icing a first line like Kravtsov - Zibs - Kakko and having 5 picks in the first 2 rounds next year?

The additional cap and available spots should only help our prospect development and opps for more futures.

 

[Hire Sather]

The timing not being right doesn't make sense.

If we want to contend in say 2 seasons, do you think he's not going to be good then? If so, why are you signing him to a 7 year deal anyway?

12 mill is too much. That's the reason. Just because we're not ready to contend next year doesn't mean you don't bother to sign the player.

 

[bl02]

After seeing what wild Bill got would it be the worst thing for Kreider to take 6 aav at 6-7 years?
I'm in both camps of either keeping CK or trading him but I just have a feeling GM's are lowballing Gorton.
Plus I think that Gorton probably wants a young prospect (maybe NHL ready) for CK rather then lets say a mid to late first round draft pick in 2020. That makes things a bit trickier.

 

[bl02]

Is it bad for me to say that I’d rather see us shed some additional assets while keeping it conservative and icing a first line like Kravtsov - Zibs - Kakko and having 5 picks in the first 2 rounds next year?

The additional cap and available spots should only help our prospect development and opps for more futures.

5 picks in the first two rounds next year would be nice but who are the assets going? Vesey? Names? those are returning mid to late second rounders at best. Our best chance at another first has sailed away with Zucc testing the free agent market. Would love to somehow grab another first but not sure who the right dance partner would be to make that trade with? We saw how hard it was to trade into the top 15 of the first round this year. It was impossible.

 

[bl02]

$10.5 million is my max. Likely wont be able to get it done unless he wants to be here. If not, oh well we move on to Plan B, C, D.

agreed. I wouldn't go into the 11-12 million range

 

[duhmetreE]

First class - Rangers
Economy comfort - Florida
Coach, near the shitter and the baby - Islanders

Where would you go?

 

[jaywills1020]

Is it bad for me to say that I’d rather see us shed some additional assets while keeping it conservative and icing a first line like Kravtsov - Zibs - Kakko and having 5 picks in the first 2 rounds next year?

The additional cap and available spots should only help our prospect development and opps for more futures.

What if KK and VK aren’t ready? Especially 1st line playing time. We could destroy their confidence and possibly stunt their development.

 

[NernieBichols]

You guys should go check Webster post history from the last week or so. Straight up told me in DM he was Fabian, zucc’s brother

 

[RGY]

First class - Rangers
Economy comfort - Florida
Coach, near the ****ter and the baby - Islanders

Where would you go?

$10.5 million per year, even with the taxes in NY is more than enough to live comfortably and set your kids up for life.

Thus if he chooses Florida, then to me, he cares more about what his lifestyle will be like off the ice rather than what happens on the ice. No matter what you feel about some of the names on Florida, how they might be trending, and the addition of coach Q, it doesnt mean shit when it comes to that organization being for real or not. They have had nice young talent for the last several years it feels like. Year in and year out, they underperform and miss the playoffs. On top of all this, no one shows up to their games.

So again if the results on the ice, the atmosphere, if they dont matter much, then go down to Florida. Thats not the type of player we should be investing in anyways.

 

[JayMan82]

What if KK and VK aren’t ready? Especially 1st line playing time. We could destroy their confidence and possibly stunt their development.

Do you think Panarin would be the solution? Would keeping Kreider till around TDL and getting a veteran winger or put Buch back in the one hole accomplish the same task without the risk of that contract?