Speculation: Roster Building Thread LI: Something happen, please...

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I'm speaking it into existence.

We will trade for the 7th or 8th pick.

It's happening.

Come on, universe. Do your thing.

Idk man, I think it would cost too much to move up to 8 and its no guarantee you're getting a top line Center at that spot, I feel Turcotte, Zegras, and Dach will be gone and the others are a gamble

 

[FIRE DRURY]

If it is Buch and a minor piece, I can easily live with that.

Love Buchy but that would be a no-brainer for us.

 

[Procrastinator]

That feeling when I knew the Rangers were picking first or second in this draft was unreal.

I still get a bolt of electricity and goose bumps when I think about it.

That’s funny. Cause I get a woody.

 

[QJL]

I think the mega-deal in place looks something like this

Kreider
Vesey
2020 1st (top 3 protected)

for

Nylander
Olofsson
7 overall

 

[thethirdhockeyman91]

Been busy for a while, but some general thoughts on what’s been going on:

1. The Trouba trade is good for us from a timing POV. A very big obstacle for rebuilding teams is that building a defense has a — totally — different time frame than what building a line-up has. There are exceptions, but if you look through 20 solid top 4 Ds, odds are that like 15 of them only really established themselves in that role when they were older than 23. And quite a few later than that too. This also applies to guys like Hedman. They just take time to first get into the league and once in the NHL to become solid and able to play long tough minutes.

Hence getting Trouba really helps us from that POV. Skjei, Trouba and TDA. The vets are history sooner rather than later. Our future on the blueline is a bit thin even Trouba. Remember that we haven’t had room to even start to brew any wild card and the likes. Fox should play. Hajak maybe got a little too much praise for his short stint, but hopefully he can ship in. K’Andre Miller is a project but has so much potential.

Then there are risks with Trouba. It’s not easy to play defense for a rebuilding team. You get exposed. This doesn’t change much just because we didn’t give up a ton to get him. But from a timing POV it’s a huge add.

2. Gorton has done a tremendous job working the phones to line us up for the moves we have made and hopefully will make. It’s such a hard league to get things done in, and almost exclusively the talks on these moves started years ago.

The flip side of this is that it’s time consuming. I am not sure how many hours there is left for Gorts to run our AHL franchise etc. Hold Drury’s hand. Implement an analytics section. I am not sure how ‘executive’ JD is, but hopefully he can chip in.

I’ve called out Gorts for a lot of things over the years, but he deserves a ton of credit for how he has gone about the trading part of his job.

3. There are a lot of buzz out there, but it’s important to not get too high expectations. Even if something is discussed, there will be 10 serious discussions — at least — for every deal that actually is made.

In addition, sometimes maybe stuff reported are portrayed as being more than it actually is. Some — like bbkers and bobob — do a great job just putting out there what they heard, others maybe pick up a tidbit or circumstance and make it out like it’s bigger than it is. We all know the type, all of a sudden they’ve heard everything and anything, often a few hours after someone like Dreger reported it, and it’s stuff that they only would have info on if they talked regularly with a bunch of GMs around the league that was spilling the beans to them; McKenzie and scouts and GMs and what not are calling them for advice and to compare notes etc etc etc.

To be clear, I don’t mind seeing any report, I can value it myself and if nothing else it gets the imagination going. It’s the opposite, I want to get them. But to get that, we need to be a bit sober and don’t run away with these things. Otherwise there will surely be a backlash because quite many can’t take seeing a report they don’t like or that doesn’t happen without bringing out the oil and feathers.

4. Expect lists to be upside down on draft day. I was listening to McKenzies podcast the other day. He talks to his old buddies. They are of course CHL oriented, that’s where McK got to know them. Why is Kravtsov what 60 at one point, then 10 at the draft? They aren’t supplying lists from the organizations finihsed products to McK, and even if someone do, it gets drowned by the others. Further more, McKenzie massages the list and he is just not in the know anymore. He says it himself, he don’t watch these kids. He said that he got a full time gig following the NHL and don’t have time for it. Listen to him talk about these kids, it’s all size, size and then some more size about the forwards. The NHL teams are going in the other direction, and look at the Wheeler redraft — the impact is huge. I wouldn’t say that it’s impossible for. Big forward to do well, but more often it’s the non-big guys that thrives. In addition, teams are all over the place it seems like this year.

Essay grade:B- not bad.
Sincerely, Your Professor

 

[Uncle Dru]

Not that I am aware of. But I am literally in and out of meetings and not checking regularly.

Hmmm sounds like you need to cancel those meetings...for us

 

[True Blue]

I think the mega-deal in place looks something like this

Kreider
Vesey
2020 1st (top 3 protected)

for

Nylander
Olofsson
7 overall

No. Gorton is not trading away next year's first.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

I think the mega-deal in place looks something like this

Kreider
Vesey
2020 1st (top 3 protected)

for

Nylander
Olofsson
7 overall

Are you a Rangers fan? What kind of BS shoot yourself in the foot 15 times proposal is this!?!

ALEX f***ing NYLANDER? Who's super underwhelming so far?

Another LD prospect?

gtfo (no offense)


ps.: much of the cringy proposals are fueled by neo-liberal shortterm thinking ... I could vomit

 

[duhmetreE]

Mods, can we make sure Kakko's thread title will be 'The Prince That Was Promised'

 

[True Blue]

What's the 411 on the Breadman?

About to be buttered in Florida

 

[Vitto79]

If the move Kreider with a Fast or Namestnikov or Vesey, throw in a Lindgren, they better get a pick from 4 to 8 in the first.

Kreider is a ufa so mid round is similar to the Hayes return plus a young player

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Nothing has happened, strip BBKers and Edge of their credentials then ban them permanently.

 

[Tawnos]

Not that I am aware of. But I am literally in and out of meetings and not checking regularly.

It's also only 9:30 in Vancouver. The day hasn't really started heating up out there.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

That’s funny. Cause I get a woody.

 

[Jackpot]

It's also only 9:30 in Vancouver. The day hasn't really started heating up out there.

Yeah, tell me about it... Going to be a long day at work (Seattle)

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Mods, can we make sure Kakko's thread title will be 'The Prince That Was Promised'

And it ends like the TV series, where he never showed up?

I'm getting nervous with all the "Happy Kakko day" talk ... NJ could troll the entire Rangers base and pick BPA and make out like gangbusters ...

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

I think you can trade the 2020 1st with a protection clause if you're damn sure about signing Panarin. Like, collusion-sure. Otherwise it's pretty crazy.

 

[Filip Chytil]

It's also only 9:30 in Vancouver. The day hasn't really started heating up out there.

Gorton has probably been up since 4:30 training in a barn like Rocky screaming "Kakko!" instead of "Drago!"

 

[BroadwayStorm]

Man I'm spoiled with Kakko and I have set myself up to get depressed because now I somehow expect the Rangers to get into the top ten. And someway somehow still get Trevor Zegras. It's doubly insane but what if it happens? What if... first world problems. Gotta love em.

 

[Avery16]

7 hours

 

[Tawnos]

Yeah, tell me about it... Going to be a long day at work (Seattle)

I was just there for the first time as an adult. Awesome city. Wish I could've spent more time, but I had a limited amount of it and really wanted to hit Olympic NP.

 

[GAGLine]

Mods, can we make sure Kakko's thread title will be 'The Prince That Was Promised'

But in old Valyrian, that word has no gender, so it could be the Prince or Princess that was promised.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

I think you can trade the 2020 1st with a protection clause if you're damn sure about signing Panarin. Like, collusion-sure. Otherwise it's pretty crazy.

No. You keep it, REGARDLESS of FA or whatever.

 

[Tawnos]

Gorton has probably been up since 4:30 training in a barn like Rocky screaming "Kakko!" instead of "Drago!"

Yeah, but Holland, Sakic, Chayka, and Botterill don't see the point of getting up any earlier than you can get breakfast pizza, which I have on good authority isn't until 9am in Vancouver.

 

[MarkMessyay11]

LOL, literally every name I've dropped has come up 1-2 days later. I think the only who hasn't is Names, but he's in there.

This is why I purposefully revealed the information privately to a select few. Because I KNEW I was going to get pushback.

It was kind of like mailing a self-addressed letter prior to something happening so that I could unseal the letter with literally everything out there.

I did for that a reason. So when people tried to take a shot on here, I could tap someone on the shoulder be like "wanna show them the list I sent 3 days ago?"

Not my first rodeo.

And how does one get on that "select few" mailing list?