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Edge said:
Doesn't necessarily have to the be the usual suspects. Just something to keep in mind. When you look at some of the teams being mentioned in this thread, consider guys who are still young but haven't met expectations.
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Edmonton: Puljujärvi
Buffalo: Alex Nylander?
Toronto: William Nylander?
Arizona: Galchenyuk? Christian Dvorak?
 
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TheDirtyH said:
Kreider at less than 7 is a bargain and would be a great player to keep long term. Late start in the NHL (6seasons), first line production, high character/leadership, clutch scorer, and among a minuscule group of wingers (Stone, Saad) that tilt the ice and make every player on their line better. Has there been a dominant line for the Rangers in the last six years w/o Kreider on it?

But I understand he's gone. Personally think he's worth much more as a player than as trade bait for a first round pick, but whatever.
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I think you could make two arguments:

Pro Kreider: He's in such great physical shape that he should perform well for years to come. He's an advanced stat stud. He's a great complimentary player.

Con: He's only as successful as he is due to physical strength and speed. He doesn't have great hands or hockey sense. Due to that, he will be much less successful as he ages. Players are starting to decline much earlier into their 30's than they used to. His next contract starts at age 29.

Personally, I think the time is right to move him.
 
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McCartney said:
I would probably give Cozens 2 or even 3, tbh.
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I think Cozens has the potential to surprise people. He's the guy who is being overshadowed by this year's late, pre-draft "it" guys, but there's speed, size and hands are there.

I think some of these kids provide great value if you're not a team expecting them to come in and define your franchise. For some teams, a guy like Cozens automatically becomes the top prospect and inherits all the expectations that go with it.

For a team like the Rangers, Cozens wouldn't even be the top prospect from his team's draft class, let alone in the system. IMO, that's a great situation to be in.
 
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RGY said:
They dont HAVE to trade Kreider. It is ok to keep a few veterans. It also ok to pay them. Not everyone has to be moved. As Seravelli said in the TSN article Edge posted, the Rangers are still deciding on Kreider. He could very will be part of the rebuild given his ability and style of play.

All depends on his ask.
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If it all depends on the ask then I find it interesting that the Rangers aren't negotiating. They either asked and thought it was outlandish, or never bothered to ask in the first place.
 
Edge said:
A no frills NY style slice of pepperoni, extra crispy. I'll sprink oregano, cheese, garlic and crushed red pepper on that baby. I'm also someone who folds, much to my mom's dismay.
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There are 3 types of people: those who fold pizza, eat it with a knife and fork, and slobs.
 
Trxjw said:
A week ago Trouba was going to cost us Buchnevich, Lundkvist and the 20th overall. All comes down to how much a GM values these players.

If you think Buch and Vesey are 25+ goal scorers in your top six then they're well worth that pick and then some.
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Well let's assume you think Buch is a potential 25-30 goal, 60-70 point winger if you pair him with your elite young center. Let's even assume you don't think Vesey gets the bounces necessary to hit 20, he's still in that 15+ range.

You just added a decent amount of points to your flanks. Especially if you're a team that is center heavy.

Value added.
 
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Edge said:
Since last night, the ball has tended to be in the other team's courts. Not to say negotiations can't/won't continue, but I feel like the Rangers have outlined some structures and expectations.

Remember, in every single instance, they're are the team giving up guys who have at least shown they are NHL players. We can talk about the value of high picks, or former high picks, or prospects until we're blue in the face. They're still unknown quantities.

When you start talking about combos of Buch and Names, you're still talking about 30 goals and 70 points combined. In the right environment and with room to grow, you're talking about sending another team 45 goals and 100 points.

Same with Buch and Vesey, a combo that's at roughly 40 goals/ 70 points right now, and maybe in the 50/100 range in the right setting elsewhere.

Then consider that while we all have our favorites for players we'd love to draft, you're most likely not getting that kind of production back straight-up --- now or five years from now. So while some will swear that their team "can't give up a high pick", there's often a little bit of overestimating on their part. That's why fans end up balking at the notion of a pick and a prospect. They assume the production of the pick is a given --- especially in the midst of draft fever as I like to call it.
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Exactly. I can't give up the #7OA, he could be Clayton Keller!

Yeah, and he could also be Jesse Pujuljarvi or Alex Nylander...
 
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Edge said:
A no frills NY style slice of pepperoni, extra crispy. I'll sprink oregano, cheese, garlic and crushed red pepper on that baby. I'm also someone who folds, much to my mom's dismay.
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Always fold, we’re not here to win any beauty pagents
 
DutchShamrock said:
If you take the Buffalo deal, you get your center. If you go Edmonton, Buffalo has to take their winger, probably caulfield, and you get your center with the next pick anyway. Edmonton would have to send you salary back if they took a higher priced guy like Namestnikov.
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This is all speculation, though. We have no idea if those deals are actually on the table, in the form we are discussing them.
 
Edge said:
Well let's assume you think Buch is a potential 25-30 goal, 60-70 point winger if you pair him with your elite young center. Let's even assume you don't think Vesey gets the bounces necessary to hit 20, he's still in that 15+ range.

You just added a decent amount of points to your flanks. Especially if you're a team that is center heavy.

Value added.
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Theoretically, Eichel would look nice centering Buch.
 
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