Speculation: Roster Building Thread L "Please Do Not Pester the Vetted Posters"

[nyr2k2]

I know people want him for 4 years, but that is HIGHLY unlikely. He would be a complete idiot to take a contract that short not knowing how good he will still be in 4 years and if he can still command 6.5M+ I added that part in after,not sure if you saw it before I did.

I don't think it's saying his game is deteriorating fast, but lets be honest, the last 4 seasons he averages 21 goals, just 21. If he drops just 5 goals a season hes only scoring 16 a year. 7M for 16 goals? I just don't see any way he is worth anything more than 4 years, and I dont see anyway he would sign a 4 year contract. Trade him.

Yes, it is highly unlikely, I think that's been established. But given every conversation in here is a hypothetical, that's a hypothetical conversation we're having--what if Kreider took a sweetheart deal? Otherwise, everyone has seemed to acknowledge it's worth trading him if he wants 5+ years and $7+ million. Myself included.

Saying he averages 21 goals over the past four seasons is disingenuous. That includes an injury-shortened 58-game season, and injuries have not been a problem for him. His last two healthy years he scored 28 goals. Assists also matter. He's a 47 points per 80 games player.

IDK, it's like we were having a nice hypothetical discussion about what would happen if Kreider took a Shattenkirk deal, which we all also acknowledged was almost assuredly not happening, and you came in to tell us it was not happening. Thanks?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Now that they have Trouba, Kreider I think fits in much better. Panarin too.

To me that is the whole give and take of what they do, if they are trading for picks, trade for picks and go that direction. Allow for the team to maybe win /move up in the lottery again.

If they are adding established NHLers who are going to carry high cap hits, then figure that out by supporting them with other established NHLers so maybe they stand half a chance at making and advancing in the playoffs.

Pick a direction and stick to it. If Zbad, Trouba, Skjei are players they want to build around, and they think the #2 pick can enter his prime while they are still in theirs, and they think they can also fit in Kreider/Panarin whoever, then do that.

If they are not the players they want to build around, why are they trading for them, extending them, signing them, to only to put them on hold?

We can't afford Trouba, Kreider, and Panarin lol.

 

[nyr2k2]

Ditto. Kreider is going to want at least $6m, maybe more like $7m.

And we have Kakko and Kravtsov for sure as top 6 wingers. Probably Chytil and/or Andersson as top 6 or top 9 wingers. And frankly I'd like to have Panarin too.

Where does Kreider fit? I don't see it. Third line left wing? At $7m?

I mean, I don't want to give him away for nothing. He's valuable as a veteran leader while the kids develop, for sure. But long term I don't see his place here, whereas I do see a guy like Panarin maintaining his top 6 role (mainly because he's better to begin with, and 2 years younger, with less mileage).

But if I can turn Kreider, or Kreider+, into a top 6 center prospect, I'm doing it all day long, because right now we have Zibanejad and that's really it. Howden at 3C probably. But who knows if Chytil or Andersson are 2Cs or not. And I'd really rather Zibanejad as a high end 2C, frankly. Can I get a guy I like as a future 1C? I'm making all kinds of calls and I hope the Rangers are too. I hope that is their main objective.

I'd prefer Zegras/Cozens/Newhook, maybe even Krebs. Less enthused about Nylander because of his down year and contract status, but I'd at least be intrigued.

Just FWIW, Kreider is 28 and will be 28 almost all of next season. April birthday.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Denino's has the best clam pie, AINEC.

At a quick glance, I thought that said Dominoes and got very indignant for a millisecond.

 

[Off Sides]

We can't afford Trouba, Kreider, and Panarin lol.

Why not, they do not have to extend Kreider, they can just keep him un-extended and see where that goes this season.

They can buy out some players too.

If they are moving Names, Vesey etc, that too is going to create space.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I don't think that this is true, at least not coming from reputable people.

Brooks, McKenzie, Dreger, Freidman, etc. All of these guys have mentioned that there is a ton of chatter on Kreider at the moment.

JG's comments on Kreider the last few months raised more than a few eyebrows over here. I mean at this point I'd be floored if he's extended.

I remember his name being thrown around as part of a package for Nash (the season before they traded for him) and it hasn't stopped since. I don't have specifics but I for sure remember reading about him involved in just about every proposal since he got here. Brooks, twitter, message boards, beat writers, whatever. And I get there's chatter on him. Rebuilding team, a year away from UFA, would look good in a lot of different jerseys around the league. That's part of the business.

And JG also said "he's been a real good Ranger" at the end of this season. I don't take anything JG or any GM says seriously because they're always angling. I have no problem with it because it's part of their job.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Yes, it is highly unlikely, I think that's been established. But given every conversation in here is a hypothetical, that's a hypothetical conversation we're having--what if Kreider took a sweetheart deal? Otherwise, everyone has seemed to acknowledge it's worth trading him if he wants 5+ years and $7+ million. Myself included.

Saying he averages 21 goals over the past four seasons is disingenuous. That includes an injury-shortened 58-game season, and injuries have not been a problem for him. His last two healthy years he scored 28 goals. Assists also matter. He's a 47 points per 80 games player.

IDK, it's like we were having a nice hypothetical discussion about what would happen if Kreider took a Shattenkirk deal, which we all also acknowledged was almost assuredly not happening, and you came in to tell us is was not happening. Thanks?

We can talk about all the sweetheart deals in the world, but it's unrealistic, sweetheart deals dont happen. Shatty might be the cloest thing to one and i'm sure he's regretting that since when his contract is up in 2021 he's likely getting a garbage contract compared to what he could have had..a nice long term contract somewhere else a couple years ago.

So yea, we can talk sweetheart deals, but why bother when it's completely unrealistic.Lets talk what is likely going to happen.

 

[bleedblue94]

No market dynamics is why AM would only sign max 5 years. They say he wanted a 3 year deal.

I’m saying market dynamics forced him to sign AM to the 5 year deal he wanted. Nothing to do with Tavares

They would have been better signing him to a 3 year deal at a lesser number.

Saying Tavares has nothing to do with AM and MM is a bit ignorant in my opinion, and sorry I just dont want to rehash this argument. If you disagree with me than so be it and let's move on.

 

[Barnaby]

Just spitballing...

I wonder if it’s Buchnevich or Kreider and Vesey for Buffalo pick.

Kreider or Buchnevich for AZ pick.

Rangers package both picks for another top 5 pick if there is a guy they covet THAT highly and maybe bring back a young roster player or two in there somewhere... plus will have cleared some cap.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Yes!

Don’t want anybody on the trade bait list except Marner.

 

[Irishguy42]

What if the target is Newhook or Krebs?

If they trade up into the Top 10 for Krebs and pass on some other big names, fire everyone

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Interesting move, I don’t know if the Rangers have ever had a player from the Bronx before? She would definitely lead the team in hits.

 

[thethirdhockeyman91]

If Larry brooks is right, this makes
Me believe rangers are all in on panarin

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I don't think you're seeing the bigger picture in the future though. Do you want Kreider still in his 30's making 7M scoring 20 or less goals? I'd rather take my chance on a top prospect (draft pick) and another piece.

I know people want him for 4 years, but that is HIGHLY unlikely. He would be a complete idiot to take a contract that short not knowing how good he will still be in 4 years and if he can still command 6.5M+

I get the big picture dude. Trust me, I do. Some people believe, myself included, that he'd still be able to contribute at ages 33, 34, 35. If they get a legitimate top prospect for him, great. But using him to get the 16th pick and that kid turning into him is far from certain. You don't have to trade every guy over 27 for a draft picks.

 

[mas0764]

If they trade up into the Top 10 for Krebs and pass on some other big names, fire everyone

At 10, it's very possible that Newhook or Krebs is the only center option left.

 

[nyr2k2]

We can talk about all the sweetheart deals in the world, but it's unrealistic, sweetheart deals dont happen. Shatty might be the cloest thing to one and i'm sure he's regretting that since when his contract is up in 2021 he's likely getting a garbage contract compared to what he could have had..a nice long term contract somewhere else a couple years ago.

So yea, we can talk sweetheart deals, but why bother when it's completely unrealistic.Lets talk what is likely going to happen.

LOL.

90% of the shit that is thrown around on HF is unlikely to happen. Who made you the judge of what is discussion-worthy?

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Just spitballing...

I wonder if it’s Buchnevich or Kreider and Kreider for Buffalo pick.

Kreider or Buchnevich for AZ pick.

Rangers package both picks for another top 5 pick if there is a guy they covet THAT highly

I have no idea.

Kreider or Buch to BUF for 31 is overpayment by us
Vesey to BUF for 31 is likely overpayment by BUF
Kreider or Buch to BUF for 7 is overpayment by BUF
Kreider or Buch + Vesey to BUF for 7 is likely overpayment by BUF?????
Kreider + Buch to BUF for 7 is overpayment by us.

 

[BroadwayStorm]

Kreider is a freak of nature. I don't think he'll slow down much with age. He'd be 35 by the end of a 7 year deal.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

If Larry brooks is right, this makes
Me believe rangers are all in on panarin

I think they’re interested up to a point

 

[Profet]

Still need Zucc to put pen to paper in Dallas.

 

[mas0764]

I have no idea.

Kreider or Buch to BUF for 31 is overpayment by us
Vesey to BUF for 31 is likely overpayment by BUF
Kreider or Buch to BUF for 7 is overpayment by BUF
Kreider or Buch + Vesey to BUF for 7 is likely overpayment by BUF?????
Kreider + Buch to BUF for 7 is overpayment by us.

What about Kreider + Buch for 7 and 31?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I remember his name being thrown around as part of a package for Nash (the season before they traded for him) and it hasn't stopped since. I don't have specifics but I for sure remember reading about him involved in just about every proposal since he got here. Brooks, twitter, message boards, beat writers, whatever. And I get there's chatter on him. Rebuilding team, a year away from UFA, would look good in a lot of different jerseys around the league. That's part of the business.

And JG also said "he's been a real good Ranger" at the end of this season. I don't take anything JG or any GM says seriously because they're always angling. I have no problem with it because it's part of their job.

Yeah that came mostly from the wish casting CBJ media. I dont remember anyone who was even remotely dialed in who thought of it as a possibility.

But the fact that they haven't even discussed numbers seriously at this juncture (when JG said that he was going to speak with his agent earlier in the week) speaks volumes. We've seen this movie before and it only further solidifies the thought that they never really had any intention of bringing him back. Maybe that changes, but its going to take a pretty significant concession from Kreider in order for it to happen IMO.

Saying that "hes been a really good Ranger" doesn't exactly invoke feelings that they want to keep him, at least not to me. He could have easily squashed any speculation about his future by saying "We'll try to work something out this summer and go from there" or something along those lines, but the prospect of having any kind of contact with his agent didn't come up until like last week.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Kreider is a freak of nature. I don't think he'll slow down much with age. He'd be 35 by the end of a 7 year deal.

I know he skates really well, but I just can’t trust net front guys’ bodies holding up

 

[GAGLine]

If Larry brooks is right, this makes
Me believe rangers are all in on panarin

All in suggests that Gorton is willing to outbid the other teams for his services, and I don't think that's the case. I'm sure Gorton will be talk to Panarin and his agent, maybe even make a pitch, but his offer won't be the best on the table. At the end of the day, Panarin will likely end up in Florida.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

What about Kreider + Buch for 7 and 31?

I'm just thinking out loud and I'm far from the best person to accurately gauge value, but I don't know if I'd love that.