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Boris Zubov said:
I've been to Pepe's...wanted to love it, but was a little underwhelmed. Couldn't put my finger on it, but there was just something missing. That was the traditional brick oven style...didn't try the clam pizza.

When I was in New Haven last, both Sally's and Modern were closed. I'll hit them both up next time.
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Felt the same first time we've gone to several Big Name spots.

It's funny. There is so much Pizza to sample around the tri-state it really helps folks raise their game. I've had slices and pies at no hype joints that I would swear rival anything I've had at a big name place.

There is Killer Pizza to be had at spots sprinkled all over NY., NJ. & CT.

It's a beautiful thing.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
I'm not gonna go on about Kreider anymore. My point was, and remains, that I'm not eager to rush him out the door. Seems like 90% of people here really want to get rid of him for a pick. If he took a sweetheart deal, I'd rather have four more years of Kreider than what I think he'd fetch in draft pick compensation.
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Nah I agree with you, which isn't unusual.

He's built in a way that can keep him playing at a high level into his mid 30's in my view, so I'm not completely concerned about term with Chris.

I also think he does a lot of things that cup contending teams are always looking for. A vertical threat, net front presence, and penalty killer. Thats three things that you often have to cover with a bunch of separate players but Kreider fills them all.

If we have to move him so be it, but I'd rather see guys like Namestnikov and Vesey shipped out for mid round picks.
 
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Pawnee Rangers said:
True, but it seems like there's been fire with him since before he even got here. He was part of every proposal since BC and then at every deadline and offseason. Crazy he's only been here for 6 years. If they trade him, they trade him. I think it's a mistake unless he's asking for some insane amount of money. You don't replace guys like that easily. He's one of the few forwards that are tough to play against. I guess Kakko could be that guy but you need more than one.
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I don't think that this is true, at least not coming from reputable people.

Brooks, McKenzie, Dreger, Freidman, etc. All of these guys have mentioned that there is a ton of chatter on Kreider at the moment.

JG's comments on Kreider the last few months raised more than a few eyebrows over here. I mean at this point I'd be floored if he's extended.
 
I truly believe the David Clarkson contract extension ruined the Rangers chance of keeping Ryan Callahan.

I am comfortable saying the same about the Kevin Hayes contract relative to Chris Kreider. I doubt the Rangers are going to pay him, but I think Gorton will get a good return for CK. I just don't want to send him to Edmonton because I am afraid of the strings attached there
 
Pawnee Rangers said:
If there's a specific player they want and you need to trade Kreider to get him, fine. If his demands on a new deal are stupid and you trade him, fine. But if you're trading him for like the 16th pick and a prospect who may bring what he brings one day, or because he's 28, that's a mistake in my opinion. He scored 28 goals on an awful team last year. I get the sense that a lot of people expected way too much of him when he was drafted. He was never going to score 40 goals in this league. But that doesn't mean he's not a legit top line LW.
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I don't think you're seeing the bigger picture in the future though. Do you want Kreider still in his 30's making 7M scoring 20 or less goals? I'd rather take my chance on a top prospect (draft pick) and another piece.

I know people want him for 4 years, but that is HIGHLY unlikely. He would be a complete idiot to take a contract that short not knowing how good he will still be in 4 years and if he can still command 6.5M+
 
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SA16 said:
Does that fit the timeline?
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What's the timeline? If I'm signing him for 4-5 years it's because I think he'll be a player for 4-5 years. And if we're not competing in 4-5 years then I think we've failed miserably. So, I don't know what the timeline is, but I would think on a 4-5 year deal he'd fall well within it.
 
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JimmyG89 said:
That Canucks 10th overall pick screams us on that board. I know they have the draft, but I don't think those fans are giddy about a player they would draft there and wait. They have their youth there now and are probably in the same class as we are in the rebuild and are looking at adding pieces.

Kreider + small add for 10th overall?
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I wonder if it’s Buchnevich as opposed to Kreider in these proposals?

Maybe Buchnevich or Kreider and Vesey to Buffalo?

Maybe Kreider / Buchnevich to Edmonton for their pick + an add?

Maybe Kreider straight up for AZ or Avs 2nd pick?

I could see the Rangers taking back a smaller cap dump as part of a deal... ie not Lucic.
 
Fitzy said:
I also think he does a lot of things that cup contending teams are always looking for. A vertical threat, net front presence, and penalty killer. Thats three things that you often have to cover with a bunch of separate players but Kreider fills them all.
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He doesn't kill penalties. Quinn had a quote at the beginning of the year about using Kreider's speed on the PK, but that experiment didn't last long. He averaged 4 seconds per game on the PK, and that's his career high.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
What's the timeline? If I'm signing him for 4-5 years it's because I think he'll be a player for 4-5 years. And if we're not competing in 4-5 years then I think we've failed miserably. So, I don't know what the timeline is, but I would think on a 4-5 year deal he'd fall well within it.
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If he would take 4-5 years? Yeah that would probably be preferable. He isn't going to though. It's taking at least 7 at 7 or a smidge beneath (or perhaps even above.)

I am all over Kreider if I'm Colorado, Buffalo or Arizona though.
 
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The Crypto Guy said:
I don't think you're seeing the bigger picture in the future though. Do you want Kreider still in his 30's making 7M scoring 20 or less goals? I'd rather take my chance on a top prospect (draft pick) and another piece.
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Did someone else say they'd take him at $7M? I said I'd take him at that number if it were for four years, in which case I wouldn't be expecting him to score less than 20 goals. I mean, you're projecting a quick deterioration of Kreider's game and pairing it with the highest number anyone said they'd take him at. That's kind of unfair.

And what top prospect/draft pick are you getting? I think everyone has acknowledged that if you can get a premium pick for Kreider it's worth doing. But if we're moving him to land the 14th pick or whatever? Eh.
 
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BBKers is quietly giving me the feels that nothing is going done either until the cap number is finalize or teams are forced tomorrow to make deals with only a tentative number.

Sounds like teams have put a hold on the finaliazing of stuff
Sounds pretty sketchy of the nhl. But of course who do they have to open their doors to be transparent about why this is taking so long
 
nyr2k2 said:
Did someone else say they'd take him at $7M? I said I'd take him at that number if it were for four years, in which case I wouldn't be expecting him to score less than 20 goals. I mean, you're projecting a quick deterioration of Kreider's game and pairing it with the highest number anyone said they'd take him at. That's kind of unfair.

And what top prospect/draft pick are you getting? I think everyone has acknowledged that if you can get a premium pick for Kreider it's worth doing. But if we're moving him to land the 14th pick or whatever? Eh.
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I know people want him for 4 years, but that is HIGHLY unlikely. He would be a complete idiot to take a contract that short not knowing how good he will still be in 4 years and if he can still command 6.5M+ I added that part in after,not sure if you saw it before I did.

I don't think it's saying his game is deteriorating fast, but lets be honest, the last 4 seasons he averages 23 goals. If he drops just 5 goals a season hes only scoring 18 a year. 7M for 18 goals? I just don't see any way he is worth anything more than 4 years, and I dont see anyway he would sign a 4 year contract. Trade him.
 
Tawnos said:
This is why I say these things need to be kept in separate categories. My default when I hear "pizza" is NY style... there are just different spins.

But these conversations are always fun... other versions include "is a hot dog a sandwich?" "is soup food or drink?" "is cereal technically soup?"
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Cereal is a dry food that almost always has milk added to it but can also be eaten out of the box. If someone wants to call that soup I dont even want to know about it.
 
Now that they have Trouba, Kreider I think fits in much better. Panarin too.

To me that is the whole give and take of what they do, if they are trading for picks, trade for picks and go that direction. Allow for the team to maybe win /move up in the lottery again.

If they are adding established NHLers who are going to carry high cap hits, then figure that out by supporting them with other established NHLers so maybe they stand half a chance at making and advancing in the playoffs.

Pick a direction and stick to it. If Zbad, Trouba, Skjei are players they want to build around, and they think the #2 pick can enter his prime while they are still in theirs, and they think they can also fit in Kreider/Panarin whoever, then do that.

If they are not the players they want to build around, why are they trading for them, extending them, signing them, to only to put them on hold?
 
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The Crypto Guy said:
I don't think you're seeing the bigger picture in the future though. Do you want Kreider still in his 30's making 7M scoring 20 or less goals? I'd rather take my chance on a top prospect (draft pick) and another piece.

I know people want him for 4 years, but that is HIGHLY unlikely. He would be a complete idiot to take a contract that short not knowing how good he will still be in 4 years and if he can still command 6.5M+
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Ditto. Kreider is going to want at least $6m, maybe more like $7m.

And we have Kakko and Kravtsov for sure as top 6 wingers. Probably Chytil and/or Andersson as top 6 or top 9 wingers. And frankly I'd like to have Panarin too.

Where does Kreider fit? I don't see it. Third line left wing? At $7m?

I mean, I don't want to give him away for nothing. He's valuable as a veteran leader while the kids develop, for sure. But long term I don't see his place here, whereas I do see a guy like Panarin maintaining his top 6 role (mainly because he's better to begin with, and a year younger, with less mileage).

But if I can turn Kreider, or Kreider+, into a top 6 center prospect, I'm doing it all day long, because right now we have Zibanejad and that's really it. Howden at 3C probably. But who knows if Chytil or Andersson are 2Cs or not. And I'd really rather Zibanejad as a high end 2C, frankly. Can I get a guy I like as a future 1C? I'm making all kinds of calls and I hope the Rangers are too. I hope that is their main objective.

I'd prefer Zegras/Cozens/Newhook, maybe even Krebs. Less enthused about Nylander because of his down year and contract status, but I'd at least be intrigued.
 
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