Speculation: Roster Building Thread L "Please Do Not Pester the Vetted Posters"

[RGY]

The thought has crossed my mind over the years.

You could always make one and PM the twitter handle to the posters you would allow to follow lol

 

[Edge]

Personally, I wouldn't want to trade Buchnevich unless we are getting a MASSIVE return.

After getting benched by Quinn at the all-star break and stepping up his play, he scored 23 points in the last 32 games of the year. That's a 60 point pace. If you want to cherry pick, over the last 10 games of the season, he scored 9 points. That's a 70 point pace.

So you've got a kid who has already put up and sustained top line production for a half a season. The fact that it's the most recent half a season is especially relevant because it could be the best reflection of the player he is now. Put differently, if he can sustain what he did for the last half of the season, Buch is currently a first line player. Right now. He just turned 24 2 months ago.

Buch turning into a first line player would not be surprising. Before coming over to the US, he put up the 2nd highest scoring U20 KHL season of players currently in the NHL. That's better than Panarin and Tarasenko, who have been cornerstone players on cup-contending teams. The most similar prospects to Buch in terms of league and production - Kuznetsov, Tarasenko, and Panarin - didn't have their breakout NHL seasons until they were 23, 23, and 24. That's basically exactly the same Buchnevich is now / was when he turned it on and produced at a 1st line rate for the second half of the season.

There's always uncertainty with young players and Buch having a strong half a season doesn't guarantee anything, but I think there's a lot of cause to believe that he could be in the middle of breaking out as a first line caliber player. Again, he's 24. So I worry that if we trade Buch, we could be trading a young, controlled first line player basically right as he breaks out. That's the exact opposite of what you want to do in a rebuild. Personally, I would need a HUGE return to forego that upside.

@Edge if there's a reason the Rangers might view him differently, or there are some holes in my thinking, I'd be curious if you could plug in what you think those might be.

Generally speaking, teams sometimes find themselves in a position where they like some of the depth and flexibility they have at a particular position and find themselves at a point where other teams are asking about a player who is part of that depth.

It's plausible a team with a player like Buch could theoretically have been exploring different trade options with another player, but found there was significant interest (and opportunities) with a guy like Buch.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Do you think RJ Barrett and Kaapo Kakko will be best buds?

 

[Trxjw]

Probably not. Would love to come away with two centers, but that's being greedy.

Kreider/Vesey plus a lower prospect (someone below Chytil/Andersson - maybe Rykov/Reunanon/Lindgren?) for 7 though? I would like that. Probably being too unrealistic.

Well say the Arizona package went through. I think it would stand to reason that Buffalo would still want Vesey and there's a deal to be made there.

That being said it's a tall task to deal 2 of your top six forwards in one deal for just futures. I gotta think it'd be a now and future package. Say Kreider and Buch for Galchenyuk, #14, and a strong prospect. That helps you now and hopefully down the line. Rangers bet on Galchenyuk having a Zibby like break out and put themselves in a spot to get a top center in the draft.

 

[NernieBichols]

I got a better idea.

@Edge tells me everything, I keep all of it secret and laugh while I get to watch everyone else freak out.

I hope no one is freaking out. And everyone is just humoring and enjoying themselves

I’ve seen a lot of posters reference people freakin out.
You guys normally talk the same thing in circles, it’s 2 days from a draft where it’s beleived the rangers and a ton of other teams are willing to make a lot of moves.

Of course there’s excitement, and if you listened to Greg and Steve’s podcast with edge, the rangers know this is the new day and age, they want fans invested and caring about who the new guys are and what’s going on. That’s how you keep and develop a passionate loyal fan base.

What he and others are doing is here, they are kinda the mouthpiece for the rangers, and the rangers are cool with edge or whoever saying as much as they are.

In comparison to the last couple weeks/ 2 months. Of course that’s gonna get a lot of posters amped and asking questions

That was the hope of doing it

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Generally speaking, teams sometimes find themselves in a position where they like some of the depth and flexibility they have at a particular position and find themselves at a point where other teams are asking about a player who is part of that depth.

It's plausible a team with a player like Buch could theoretically have been exploring different trade options with another player, but found there was significant interest (and opportunities) with a guy like Buch.

Not naming any names, you understand.

 

[Pizza]

I got a better idea.

@Edge tells me everything, I keep all of it secret and laugh while I get to watch everyone else freak out.

Lol, pretty much what I do.

....just kidding.

 

[haveandare]

Pizza from Naples, Italy.

I'm a New Yorker whose family is from Naples. Because I know what it is, I can't be a New Yorker? Seems strange.

Who says you can’t be a New Yorker?

That style is just way more commonly referred to as Sicilian in this area.

 

[NernieBichols]

Generally speaking, teams sometimes find themselves in a position where they like some of the depth and flexibility they have at a particular position and find themselves at a point where other teams are asking about a player who is part of that depth.

It's plausible a team with a player like Buch could theoretically have been exploring different trade options with another player, but found there was significant interest (and opportunities) with a guy like Buch.

Delete

 

[Don Chytil]

Do you think RJ Barrett and Kaapo Kakko will be best buds?

Knicks to trade for Lauri Markkanen, E5

 

[Waivers]

Toronto proposed a deal for $11,000,000 for 8 years -- Marner camp doesn't want that term. I can't believe how bad this is going for the Leafs right now. Can't even sign your local superstar kid to a contract. I still can't see them trading Marner but if they can't resolve this, they may very well look to trade him for something before it gets even worse.

 

[Fireonk]

Generally speaking, teams sometimes find themselves in a position where they like some of the depth and flexibility they have at a particular position and find themselves at a point where other teams are asking about a player who is part of that depth.

It's plausible a team with a player like Buch could theoretically have been exploring different trade options with another player, but found there was significant interest (and opportunities) with a guy like Buch.

*Cough *Cough Kreider/Vesey as upcoming UFAs vs Buch being controlled for a bit *Cough *Cough.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

I'm not trading futures for Zucker, but if Kreider doesn't get traded for a 1st+, and we aren't intending to re-sign him, trading him for Zucker is a good idea. For us, at least. I don't know if Minnesota would agree.

I guess it comes down to, would you rather have 27 year old Zucker @ 5.5 for 4 years, or re-sign 29 year old Kreider for 5+ years @ 6.5+ per year?

That's probably the only scenario where I see us trading for Zucker.

I have to think there's a team willing to part with a mid first rounder for Kreider + some kind of prospect. Otherwise it might be better holding him until the deadline and see what arises. Different teams emerge as trading partners over the year and he would undoubtedly be one of the most coveted assets.

I guess, personally, I would rather trade him for futures then someone like Zucker.

 

[bleedblue94]

Vesey, DeAngelo, Namestnikov for Ristolainen and the 31st?

Risto to nyr went out the window when trouba came here. Not tying up that much money into those two guys

 

[Don Chytil]

Who says you can’t be a New Yorker?

That style is just way more commonly referred to as Sicilian in this area.

This is a picture of the most authentic Neopolitan pizza in NYC, in my opinion.. please tell me how it is in any way remotely similar to Sicilian?

 

[Matt4776]

Who says you can’t be a New Yorker?

That style is just way more commonly referred to as Sicilian in this area.

Sicilian is not Neapolitan style whatsoever... They're probably polar opposites.

You need to brush up on your pizza game, bruv.

 

[Thirty One]

Generally speaking, teams sometimes find themselves in a position where they like some of the depth and flexibility they have at a particular position and find themselves at a point where other teams are asking about a player who is part of that depth.

It's plausible a team with a player like Buch could theoretically have been exploring different trade options with another player, but found there was significant interest (and opportunities) with a guy like Buch.

This is really cryptic. Can anyone think of a team with a player like Buch?

 

[nyrage]

There is no way Buch+Vesey gets the 7OA.

I would use a LHD prospect if necessary. Trade any other spare parts for picks to add to the deal. It would be a coup to get Kakko and a top Center prospect from this draft.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Toronto proposed a deal for $11,000,000 for 8 years -- Marner camp doesn't want that term. I can't believe how bad this is going for the Leafs right now. Can't even sign your local superstar kid to a contract. I still can't see them trading Marner but if they can't resolve this, they may very well look to trade him for something before it gets even worse.

Seems like Marner is being a f***ing dick.

 

[Levitate]

Toronto proposed a deal for $11,000,000 for 8 years -- Marner camp doesn't want that term. I can't believe how bad this is going for the Leafs right now. Can't even sign your local superstar kid to a contract. I still can't see them trading Marner but if they can't resolve this, they may very well look to trade him for something before it gets even worse.

I'm all for players looking out for themselves but Marner is gonna have a tough time selling that one. I get the idea, he wants a shorter deal so he can still get another big contract while he has "prime" years, rather than his contract running out at 30 and having to navigate that situation, but it's pretty contrary to how players and teams have been doing business lately. If he could pull it off it'd be smart for him but tough to buck the trend

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

I would use a LHD prospect if necessary. Trade any other spare parts for picks to add to the deal. It would be a coup to get Kakko and a top Center prospect from this draft.

Oh, I mean I'm all on board for going after that pick, but I think we're looking at something like Kreider+Vesey+Buch for 70A +

Vesey and Buch is just nowhere near that value. That would be a bigger steal than the Trouba trade.

 

[Levitate]

Seems like Marner is being a ****ing dick.

Eh, it's funny how we side with teams on this stuff for some reason. It's a very smart career move to sign a shorter contract that leaves open the possibility of signing another longer contract for a lot of money afterwards, rather than get all your prime years tied up in one contract. He's looking out for himself, all players should do that, but I think he's gonna find this idea a tough sell

 

[Nickmo82]

Pizza is much improved in Japan these days.
this place is excellent

Alas, I lived around the Chugoku region.

I found a decent place in Nagasaki by accident, but either way it's a long way to go.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Eh, it's funny how we side with teams on this stuff for some reason. It's a very smart career move to sign a shorter contract that leaves open the possibility of signing another longer contract for a lot of money afterwards, rather than get all your prime years tied up in one contract. He's looking out for himself, all players should do that, but I think he's gonna find this idea a tough sell

I tend to lean towards the players myself, but I immensely dislike the vibe I’m getting from the Marner camp. It seems like they’re being difficult for the sake of being difficult.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

If I was Marner I'd lock in the 11 million per now. He probably wants a 5-6 year contract in hopes he can sign another huge one. But there's no guarantee he'll be worth that after this deal is done.

That's a huge offer that will set him up for life. Seems he is overthinking it.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Marner wants the Matthews contract that takes him right into UFA

Not sure what the Leafs were expecting, they set the precedent with Matthews contract.