Roster Building Thread IV (2022-23): Luck of the Irish

[NYR Viper]

It might sway him if the Rangers can only offer 1 million. Honestly, I don't think this is so bad to go into next season with. Of course, there is no guarantee that the contracts will look like that, but I think it is pretty close based on performance and precedent. Though I would still love to get a hold of Nico Sturm for the 4th line moving Brod to the 13th forward spot Lesh back to Hartford. I don't think Goodrow is moved, just to clarify. There is no need to do so.

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If they just trade Goodrow and replace him with Kane, he can get a $4m per year deal. Also, if the cap goes up even a little bit more that would be helpful of course.

 

[McRanger92]

If they just trade Goodrow and replace him with Kane, he can get a $4m per year deal. Also, if the cap goes up even a little bit more that would be helpful of course.

Goodrow is obsolete with Vesey and Trocheck under contract. 3.6 mil is better spent on a top 6 RW than a bottom 6 RW/C who they dont like playing center.

 

[NYR Viper]

Goodrow is obsolete with Vesey and Trocheck under contract. 3.6 mil is better spent on a top 6 RW than a bottom 6 RW/C who they dont like playing center.

That and with Vesey here he's the one to go first. Kane comes in and slots the RWer's appropriately.

 

[haohmaru]

Goodrow is obsolete with Vesey and Trocheck under contract. 3.6 mil is better spent on a top 6 RW than a bottom 6 RW/C who they dont like playing center.

Hopefully Goodrow shows you exactly how important he is when the second season comes rolling in. 3.2 of that 3.6M is for the post season.

 

[MrAlmost]

If they just trade Goodrow and replace him with Kane, he can get a $4m per year deal. Also, if the cap goes up even a little bit more that would be helpful of course.

Goodrow is obsolete with Vesey and Trocheck under contract. 3.6 mil is better spent on a top 6 RW than a bottom 6 RW/C who they dont like playing center.

I am not sold that what the team needs is Kane over Goodrow. Especially at 4 million for Kane who looked like he could barely move the last 2 games.

 

[bhamill]

I am not sold that what the team needs is Kane over Goodrow. Especially at 4 million for Kane who looked like he could barely move the last 2 games.

I'm not advocating for Kane or making a prediction. That being said, Kane obviously has a hip issue. IF NYR sign him at say 4mil, he gets corrective surgery, rehabs and plays 1/4 of the season then the playoffs again, that is a 1m cap hit... AGAIN, I'm only saying its a possibility. I don't even know if I'd be for that or against it. That I wont know till the playoffs end for us. Hopefully around June some time. Hahaha.

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

Goodrow is obsolete with Vesey and Trocheck under contract. 3.6 mil is better spent on a top 6 RW than a bottom 6 RW/C who they dont like playing center.

Yup, his cap hit is going to be an issue in the not-so distant future, and his contract will be by far the easiest to move. I'm not a fan of playing depth players a ton of money. Goodrow's a good guy, a glue guy, etc. but contenders have had a ton of players like that and the ones that remain contenders tend to walk away from those guys rather than pay them. Character guys aren't everywhere, but it's easier to find someone for that role than a scorer, and it benefits roster construction in the cap era to not commit a ton of money to the bottom 6. Sometimes an energetic kid can even come in and give a boost in the playoffs in that role, too, for at or near the league minimum cap hit.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I'm not advocating for Kane or making a prediction. That being said, Kane obviously has a hip issue. IF NYR sign him at say 4mil, he gets corrective surgery, rehabs and plays 1/4 of the season then the playoffs again, that is a 1m cap hit... AGAIN, I'm only saying its a possibility. I don't even know if I'd be for that or against it. That I wont know till the playoffs end for us. Hopefully around June some time. Hahaha.

Im not a cap expert but I don’t believe it works like that with ltir. I believe they need the full 4m available if he’s gonna play in the regular season at all?

Yup, his cap hit is going to be an issue in the not-so distant future, and his contract will be by far the easiest to move. I'm not a fan of playing depth players a ton of money. Goodrow's a good guy, a glue guy, etc. but contenders have had a ton of players like that and the ones that remain contenders tend to walk away from those guys rather than pay them. Character guys aren't everywhere, but it's easier to find someone for that role than a scorer, and it benefits roster construction in the cap era to not commit a ton of money to the bottom 6. Sometimes an energetic kid can even come in and give a boost in the playoffs in that role, too, for at or near the league minimum cap hit.

He’s also the easiest to buyout.
You gain 500k in extra cap by buying him out, and then his cap hit is minuscule when then cap is actually rising.

 

[bhamill]

Im not a cap expert but I don’t believe it works like that with ltir. I believe they need the full 4m available if he’s gonna play in the regular season at all?

I'm no expert either, but that makes no sense to me... which of course doesn't mean it isn't so. That would mean there is no point, cap wise, to LTIR unless the player misses the entire season...

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I like Goodrow but there are many guys like him out there and they all probably make around 1.5-2.5 mil. I don’t think there’s a GM in this league who would let a Goodrow get in the way of obtaining Kane on the cheap, even a one legged Kane

 

[I Eat Crow]

It's one or two more years with the Rangers to try and win another Cup and then retirement for Kane. He will sign a team friendly deal to try and get one more before riding off into the sunset.

 

[MrAlmost]

It's one or two more years with the Rangers to try and win another Cup and then retirement for Kane. He will sign a team friendly deal to try and get one more before riding off into the sunset.

How friendly are we talking? Cause the Rangers never seem to get the friendly ones like Boston or Pittsburgh. The Krejci and Bergeron deals should be where the talk is at. Anything above that is not team friendly.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Could we offer sheet Zegras this summer?

 

[mike14]

I'm no expert either, but that makes no sense to me... which of course doesn't mean it isn't so. That would mean there is no point, cap wise, to LTIR unless the player misses the entire season...

Correct, LTIR isn't meant to help with the cap beyond allowing a team to temporarily exceed it while a player is injured.
If you call up and/or trade for a player during that time it's most likely that you won't be accruing any cap space, so when the player comes back off IR you'll need to make moves to get back below the cap.
If the injury does run up until the start of the playoffs then that's not a problem, but you likely wouldn't have had any roster flexibility all season and couldn't make moves at the TDL

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Would have been a better investment than Trocheck.

Blues have him centering Vrana and Kapanen at present.

So we should've held onto Buchnevich, who is not a center, so he could be our 2C AND you think he'd be a better center than Trocheck? Come on.

Can we ban mentions of Buchnevich on this board? Sheesh.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Could we offer sheet Zegras this summer?

I don't think we'd have the cap space or the picks.

I just hope Zegras doesn't sign a mega contract in Anaheim and lock himself in there. Sign a medium term deal so you can hit UFA sooner please.

I would think if NYR wants to acquire him before he's a UFA the most likely scenario would be he demands a trade and some negotiation through media makes it clear the only place he'll sign long term is here to get rid of other suitors. Seems unlikely though. That or he signs a deal with trade protection and once the NTC/NMC clauses kick in he demands a trade here.

 

[EdJovanovski]

So we should've held onto Buchnevich, who is not a center, so he could be our 2C AND you think he'd be a better center than Trocheck? Come on.

Can we ban mentions of Buchnevich on this board? Sheesh.

He played quite a bit of center, he was considered a potential center when he was drafted actually

 

[IDvsEGO]

I don't think we'd have the cap space or the picks.

I just hope Zegras doesn't sign a mega contract in Anaheim and lock himself in there. Sign a medium term deal so you can hit UFA sooner please.

I would think if NYR wants to acquire him before he's a UFA the most likely scenario would be he demands a trade and some negotiation through media makes it clear the only place he'll sign long term is here to get rid of other suitors. Seems unlikely though. That or he signs a deal with trade protection and once the NTC/NMC clauses kick in he demands a trade here.

I mean we don’t have the cap space or even roster space for zegras. Is he gonna be ok as 3rd center?
Don’t get me wrong zegras is fantastic offensively, but can you imagine a line with panarin and zegras? Worst defensive line in hockey.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I don't think we'd have the cap space or the picks.

I just hope Zegras doesn't sign a mega contract in Anaheim and lock himself in there. Sign a medium term deal so you can hit UFA sooner please.

I would think if NYR wants to acquire him before he's a UFA the most likely scenario would be he demands a trade and some negotiation through media makes it clear the only place he'll sign long term is here to get rid of other suitors. Seems unlikely though. That or he signs a deal with trade protection and once the NTC/NMC clauses kick in he demands a trade here.

We're one of only 13 teams that meets the requirements for every offer sheet compensation there is.
Almost makes you wonder if this was intentional and something we kept in mind when trading, to go after Zegras.

If we did it we'd presumably be trying to move Trocheck, maybe moving a couple other guys, who knows

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

He played quite a bit of center, he was considered a potential center when he was drafted actually

He was drafted 10 years ago, him playing some center as a 17-18 year old is pretty irrelevant to the now. He's played none at the NHL level before this though. The idea that we should've kept him and made him the 2C over what would've been Strome at the time, is crazy - let alone over Trocheck. And I love Buchnivich as a player but come on, that's just ridiculous.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

We're one of only 13 teams that meets the requirements for every offer sheet compensation there is.
Almost makes you wonder if this was intentional and something we kept in mind when trading, to go after Zegras.

If we did it we'd presumably be trying to move Trocheck, maybe moving a couple other guys, who knows

Interesting, I didn't realize we had enough of these picks left.

I heavily doubt it just because of what we know about offer sheets in this league, but it's nice to have the possibility exist.


I wonder what a trade for Zegras would have to look like.

 

[mike14]

We currently don't have a '23 2nd round pick, and if we get it back then we lose a '24 1st, both scenarios affect what we could offer.

Not that it really matters because I really can't see the Rangers making an offer.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Interesting, I didn't realize we had enough of these picks left.

I heavily doubt it just because of what we know about offer sheets in this league, but it's nice to have the possibility exist.


I wonder what a trade for Zegras would have to look like.

A 50 pt young center with 4 years of team control? An absolute haul.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Ranger’s fluff piece:

 

[haohmaru]

So we should've held onto Buchnevich, who is not a center, so he could be our 2C AND you think he'd be a better center than Trocheck? Come on.

Can we ban mentions of Buchnevich on this board? Sheesh.

Not to mention:

A.) Trocheck has been pretty damned good and brings elements that Buch simply doesn't have.
B.) Center depth, for the first time since the Hindenburg, is not an issue on this team
C.) Chytil has been pretty damned good.
D.) Buchnevich, believe it or not, has a cap hit higher than Trocheck's.