Would have been a better investment than Trocheck.
Blues have him centering Vrana and Kapanen at present.
Roster Building Thread IV (2022-23): Luck of the Irish
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Would have been a better investment than Trocheck.
Blues have him centering Vrana and Kapanen at present.
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What hasn't mattered? All debts need to be paid off. Once debts are paid off the cap will go back to 'normal'.
They are paying off the debts way faster than forecasted. If revenue is at or surpasses $5.85B, that means it will be paid off. If it's paid off, we resume the 50-50 split. I do not know what people aren't getting with this. It's very straight forward.
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Funny that this board and specifically people like @Machinehead been talking about the teams inability to move the puck out of the defensive zone to create breakouts recently, and then that schleep Dave over at BlueSeatBlogs posts a Patreon article about that topic today
Good to know this board is the leading knowledge source for these writers lol
Good to know this board is the leading knowledge source for these writers lol
I think the argument is less about Panarin as a talent and more about Panarin at $11.6mm in the context of this team. I view it as an allocation of resources problem. Especially on a team where:
1) we need cap for multiple positions and different skillsets (primarily speed)
2) have several young core talents we are constantly having to bridge
3) he has shown little chemistry with nearly everyone he’s played with.
I think what we will see from Panarin after adding Tank and Kane will tell us what we need to know.
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If you're insinuating @Machinehead is David Shapiro, I'd agree.
The board has been talking about needing a PMD for seasons now. Also that our structure/breakout/transition is dog shite.
I don't know whether or not Kane wants to play at home, but I do know that his dad refuses to fly and would actually drive from Buffalo to Chicago to watch him.
That alone may be enough for him to want to finish out his career there.
Yeah but sometimes they need to be ignored, in both directions. Being a slave to stats is just as bad as completely disregarding them because you can't be bothered to put in the 10 minutes of work to understand them.
October and ASB to pre-Kane trade Panarin was great. You have to live with the occasional f***ery from him when hes going because thats just who he is and I'll gladly give up the odd goal because Panarin did something stupid if hes producing.
the issue is when he's not going well, the f***ery is more common and thus, the production just isn't there. Hes been better than he was last year but if we look at him this season as a whole to this point, he really hasn't been good enough.
I don't think its unreasonable at all that people will want to move on from him if he ends up creeping back into bad habits for long stretches and/or has another dud of a playoff run. Hes the second highest earner in the league, the expectations there are for him to be the guy driving the bus, not someone just along for the ride or even worse, crashing it into the ocean.
That alone may be enough for him to want to finish out his career there.
Yeah but sometimes they need to be ignored, in both directions. Being a slave to stats is just as bad as completely disregarding them because you can't be bothered to put in the 10 minutes of work to understand them.
October and ASB to pre-Kane trade Panarin was great. You have to live with the occasional f***ery from him when hes going because thats just who he is and I'll gladly give up the odd goal because Panarin did something stupid if hes producing.
the issue is when he's not going well, the f***ery is more common and thus, the production just isn't there. Hes been better than he was last year but if we look at him this season as a whole to this point, he really hasn't been good enough.
I don't think its unreasonable at all that people will want to move on from him if he ends up creeping back into bad habits for long stretches and/or has another dud of a playoff run. Hes the second highest earner in the league, the expectations there are for him to be the guy driving the bus, not someone just along for the ride or even worse, crashing it into the ocean.
Oscar Lindberg
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I’ve hung out with @Machinehead in person multiple times, I can unequivocally tell you he is not Dave lol
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
It has always been. There were some legendary battles between some of our fans and Shapiro back in the day, roughly 8-10 years ago. I generally don't make it a point to crap over people who cover rangers hockey as a way to make a living, but the way Shitpiro handles certain matters makes it easy.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
Absolutely not. It is a major insult to @Machinehead to put him and Dave in the same sentence.
leetch99
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Once the playoffs end......I honestly do not want to see Kane or Tarasenko here at training camp......get leaner-meaner-faster and younger . They can also take Panarin with them and they can do a farewell tour like an aging rock band . I would not miss any of them .
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I want Tarasenko.
He seems like a good dude, trying to improve/win and he's the shooter we need.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
I mean, if either is willing to take a 1 year cheap deal to give it another shot at a cup, I wouldn't say no. It is unlikely though.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
No they don't have to be ignored at all. And look I was critical of him last year and parts of this season as well. But he's been their best forward the past 40 games, not just after the ASB by a wide margin I just posted the numbers the other day.
I'm not really sure what your point is, when a player isn't playing at their best they are more prone to making mistakes and not producing at as high a level? Yeah no shit, the problem is, is that happening more often than you would want and I would say this season that hasn't been true.
He's not along for the ride, he's not a passenger, he's still their best forward and the guy who drives the bus offensively. At this point there's no argument that trading him just to give Lafreniere more opportunity would be beneficial to the team. That's the crux of the argument.
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@Machinehead went to my wedding and I can, beyond any doubt, say he is Dave Shapiro
Read between the lines. Kane made it clear he wanted to come to NY and he‘s made it clear he doesn’t want to change teams again.
He’s already made plenty of money. $1MM isn’t going to sway him.
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I remember reading, it's important for his family to get to his games. Dolan could pick his Dad up in his Gulfstream every home game.
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I think Kane's ideal plan is to finish his career trying to win a Cup in NY. Brooks said he's chosen to live in Manhattan, which is telling imo. Mika/Kreider/Panarin/Fox/Igor core isnt going anywhere and they still should find a way to fit him and keep Laf Miller Chytil. It's a mutually benefitcial situation for him and the Rangers if he shows he can still play and will take a discount. I will say, he's competing a bit with Tarasenko for a RW spot here going forward.
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If he wins a cup or three here, as a Ranger, he'd become immortalized. Living legend
No one remembers Messier for winning in Edmonton.
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Don't compare Kane to Messier lol, I got killed for that last week. Rangers fans probably hate the comparison , but it doesnt change the fact that the 2 of them were in extremely similar situations with their careers when they got to NY.
Also not for nothing, but if he wins another Cup, he's got the most of any of the iconic players of this era. Not a bad legacy for him, especially with the some regrettable things hes done off the ice in his career. Winning a Cup with the Rangers changes how people will remember him.
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"highly, highly engaged" was not always a constant with Buch in NY. I know we like to remember him with rose colored glasses because he cheapshotted a few guys.
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Buch spent a majority of his early career looking like he just came out of a blackout and found out he had skates on. In his final year and a half he played much more consistently, but he was about as active as Zib is now at his best. And people still give Zib shit all the time. I think Zib is good on both sides, but whatever
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It might sway him if the Rangers can only offer 1 million. Honestly, I don't think this is so bad to go into next season with. Of course, there is no guarantee that the contracts will look like that, but I think it is pretty close based on performance and precedent. Though I would still love to get a hold of Nico Sturm for the 4th line moving Brod to the 13th forward spot Lesh back to Hartford. I don't think Goodrow is moved, just to clarify. There is no need to do so.
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