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Speculation: Roster Building Thread IV (2021 Offseason) - Bob Dylan turns 80 & "The times they are a changing!"

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I get being suspicious about bringing someone in on a huge FA contract to play a very specialized role (that might look like a team need now, but for whatever reason might not be in 2-3 years), but I don't think that has to extend to thinking that almost all of our better forwards are constitutionally incapable of winning puck battles.

If that's the case then okay, Trotz can coach up Josh Bailey but he can't do anything with these guys, we should really dump half of them to Buffalo just to get rid of them.
 
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They already do.

Barron can do it too.

Giving him variety on his wings will help him, not hurt him.
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Kakko/Laff can win a battle here and there, mostly Kakko, yet that translated into production how often?

The main issue with this team is not lack of centers, it's lack of players who can first get to a puck battle quickly enough, and second have a decent chance of winning it. People talk of grit and whatnot, that is the effective grit the Rangers don't have and Danault does not change that with the way he plays.
 
If I could get Danault for a Strome-like deal I'm interested.

If I have to pay him $6.5m+ per year I'm less interested.
 
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Kakko/Laff can win a battle here and there, mostly Kakko, yet that translated into production how often?

The main issue with this team is not lack of centers, it's lack of players who can first get to a puck battle quickly enough, and second have a decent chance of winning it. People talk of grit and whatnot, that is the effective grit the Rangers don't have and Danault does not change that with the way he plays.
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Gauthier is extremely effective at this in the offensive zone. So is Kreider when he is playing well.
 
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Panarin is not going to go in deep, win puck battles. Neither is Strome, which is part of the reason we are all here being like, why can't the Rangers produce offense any other way than off the rush or on the PP? The other parts, Zbad does it too rarely, Kreider does not have it in him, Kakko, Laff, may not have the skating.

Danault is not the guy who wins the majority of the pucks, he is the guy who leans defensive and picks his offensive spots should those other two win the puck.

There is nothing wrong with that type of player, there is something wrong with paying him what he will command then finding out later the Rangers as a team still can't play a cycle, win pucks to produce off the backboards or wall, and they end right back up where they are.
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In looking into Daneult's playing style, I don't know that he's a true complimentary player to Panarin. He's likely a player that might do well on a 3rd line with great forechecking, responsible wingers. I think if we bring in Daneult we better be okay with him playing 3rd line center at whatever his salary becomes. It's really unclear he's a top 6 center. And as much as I think Strome is a bit too fly-by for a playoff game, his game in the offensive zone meshes well with Panarin. I would not replace Strome with Daneult. I would replace Strome with Chytil or someone who has wheels and can win pucks in corners. And then a big strong winger with grit and skill on the opposite wing.

This past season, I really wish we could have gotten the answer to this question: Can Laf and Kakko play on a line with Zib? Because I don't see either being the right compliment to Panarin as the opposite winger. If Laf moved to C, then I could see that working. But not so much as Panarin's opposite winger. I think Panarin needs a golden retriever whose great at fetch by his side.
 
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In looking into Daneult's playing style, I don't know that he's a true complimentary player to Panarin. He's likely a player that might do well on a 3rd line with great forechecking, responsible wingers. I think if we bring in Daneult we better be okay with him playing 3rd line center at whatever his salary becomes. It's really unclear he's a top 6 center. And as much as I think Strome is a bit too fly-by for a playoff game, his game in the offensive zone meshes well with Panarin. I would not replace Strome with Daneult. I would replace Strome with Chytil or someone who has wheels and can win pucks in corners. And then a big strong winger with grit and skill on the opposite wing.

This past season, I really wish we could have gotten the answer to this question: Can Laf and Kakko play on a line with Zib? Because I don't see either being the right compliment to Panarin as the opposite winger. If Laf moved to C, then I could see that working. But not so much as Panarin's opposite winger. I think Panarin needs a golden retriever whose great at fetch by his side.
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The guy who should have been tried on Panarin's opposite wing all season SHOULD have been Gauthier. He is a very good forechecker and he doesn't need the puck to be effective all the while he actually has good offensive instincts.

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Assuming Strome and Buch are traded. That leaves Barron, Rooney, Blackwell, others on the 4th line.
 
Rangers need good all around players who will do stuff other than off the rush or PP, let's get rid of Fast, then Buch.

Don't worry this is the year Kreider will actually use his skating and size to do board stuff and take the puck to the net instead of just standing in front on the PP.

I find this idea the Rangers of all teams should be spending a ton of money on UFA(s) to be a terrible idea.
 
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Rangers need good all around players who will do stuff other than off the rush or PP, let's get rid of Fast, then Buch.

Don't worry this is the year Kreider will actually use his skating and size to do board stuff and take the puck to the net instead of just standing in front on the PP.

I find this idea the Rangers of all teams should be spending a ton of money on UFA(s) to be a terrible idea.
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If there's a position where we need players who will do stuff other than off the rush or PP, it's center.

If there's a solution that's not UFA, I'd love to hear it.
 
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In looking into Daneult's playing style, I don't know that he's a true complimentary player to Panarin. He's likely a player that might do well on a 3rd line with great forechecking, responsible wingers. I think if we bring in Daneult we better be okay with him playing 3rd line center at whatever his salary becomes. It's really unclear he's a top 6 center. And as much as I think Strome is a bit too fly-by for a playoff game, his game in the offensive zone meshes well with Panarin. I would not replace Strome with Daneult. I would replace Strome with Chytil or someone who has wheels and can win pucks in corners. And then a big strong winger with grit and skill on the opposite wing.

This past season, I really wish we could have gotten the answer to this question: Can Laf and Kakko play on a line with Zib? Because I don't see either being the right compliment to Panarin as the opposite winger. If Laf moved to C, then I could see that working. But not so much as Panarin's opposite winger. I think Panarin needs a golden retriever whose great at fetch by his side.
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Rangers could use like 3 golden retrievers.

At some point they need to face it, they are a wing and defense based team. They are Vegas more so than any other team in the playoffs, yet Vegas has a ton more size, speed and tenacity.
 
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If there's a position where we need players who will do stuff other than off the rush or PP, it's center.

If there's a solution that's not UFA, I'd love to hear it.
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Trade for Thomas (or similar) if he is really available. Play Zbad, Chytil and Thomas down the center with Rooney.

If they really need to go UFA pick Wennberg, he's going to be cheaper and he does the lean D, and PK stuff too.

The best solution would have been not to trade for Trouba, and to trade Kreider in the past and have drafted some centers. Or at least tried to see what Chytil could have done last year.
 
Let's look at the UFA centers after next season:

Malkin
Bergeron
Barkov
Trochek
Kadri
Hertl
Zibanejad
Strome
Couturier

I don't see a likely scenario in which any of the highlighted reach UFA. Kadri, Trochek and Hertl are maybe's. Danault, to me, is as good, if not better than those 3, all things considered.

Also of note, if Zibanejad so chooses, he is easily going to be the best UFA on the market next year. There will be multiple bidders for his services.
 
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Trade for Thomas (or similar) if he is really available. Play Zbad, Chytil and Thomas down the center with Rooney.

If they really need to go UFA pick Wennberg, he's going to be cheaper and he does the lean D, and PK stuff too.

The best solution would have been not to trade for Trouba, and to trade Kreider in the past and have drafted some centers. Or at least tried to see what Chytil could have done last year.
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Thomas is a winger at this point.
 
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I think if we plan on some improvement from guys like Kaako and Laf, along with some development from Kravtsov and Gauthier they will be okay. The defense should get better as well.

I think if we are looking at losing Strome + Buch and only replacing them with Danault that's a net negative but there will be other changes.

Admittedly, I'm less concerned about next year in which I think it's another transition year as guys develop. Putting pieces in place for the year after is where I'm looking.
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Maybe. I'd like to see progress before I start selling off valuable pieces. I don't ever want to assume its a given, not with our history of top picks.

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Kakko and Lafreniere have to make up that loss. At some point, it's time.
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I don't disagree. But see above.
 
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Buch is not inferior to Daneult. He's just possibly a redundant piece.
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They're not *that* far apart but Danault is definitely a better player.

I like Buchnevich but I don't understand the sudden rallying to bring him back. I feel like all people do is complain and then they don't wanna change anything about the team they complain about.

Buchnevich is an easy target to make changes based on the teams strengths and weaknesses. If there's no cap, you keep him, but this is the league we play in.
 
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Buchnevich is kind of a weird player. I don't think it's fair to call him one-dimensional or a finesse forward because he's a nasty f*** and plays serviceable defense. That being said, he definitely plays that way with the puck. If there isn't a clear path to the net, he just sort of tosses it somewhere and hopes for the best.

The whole team has that mentality. If there's no clear rush chance, just toss it. They never work to create a chance.

I think a lot of that can change with coaching, but none of our centers have ever been anything but rush players. That's why I want Danault or something besides what we have.

Montreal sucks f***ing wind up front and Danault racks up points at even strength. He could easily score as much as Strome given the same opportunity.
 
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