Speculation: Roster Building Thread IV (2021 Offseason) - Bob Dylan turns 80 & "The times they are a changing!"

[NYR Viper]

I'm not as concerned with Danault as some others are but it's all about the terms of the deal. 6 year deal with NMC for years 1-3? Okay. 6 year deal with NMC for years 1-5? Nope.

I'd be inclined to add a guy like Danault while trading Strome and Buch for bottom-6 long term help + futures than cashing all of our chips in on Eichel.

This team is going to be powered by the wingers for a long time. That's going to be the strength of the offense. The centers need to be able to help defensively and not be black holes offensively. Danault is that.

If Danault is not a possibility due to contract terms, I'd throw a nice 2-year deal at Kreijci with a similar path for Strome and Buch on bottom-6 long term help and futures.

 

[TheDirtyH]

All this talk of defensive specialists and Jesper Fast signed in Carolina for 2mil per

 

[RangersFan1994]

Blackwell will be a center next season and Chytil moves to wing.. Blackwell is taking faceoffs in the World Championships. maybe he is getting a look by Drury early .

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

I'd overpay for Lindhold if he was was available

And if he existed.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I'm not as concerned with Danault as some others are but it's all about the terms of the deal. 6 year deal with NMC for years 1-3? Okay. 6 year deal with NMC for years 1-5? Nope.

I'd be inclined to add a guy like Danault while trading Strome and Buch for bottom-6 long term help + futures than cashing all of our chips in on Eichel.

This team is going to be powered by the wingers for a long time. That's going to be the strength of the offense. The centers need to be able to help defensively and not be black holes offensively. Danault is that.

If Danault is not a possibility due to contract terms, I'd throw a nice 2-year deal at Kreijci with a similar path for Strome and Buch on bottom-6 long term help and futures.

Without Strome and Buch we are a bottom 5 team. I don't think adding better depth + Danault would make up for the loss of both guys.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Danault has been well above average offensively at ES while being elite defensively. If people are worried about the optics, he'd get the Panarin bump. He won't get PP time here but who cares, those minutes should be going to Laf/Kakko/etc anyway.

How that makes him a defensive specialist, I don't know. Some people were bugging over the Isles getting Pageau. Danault is a better at everything.

 

[jay from jersey]

All this talk of defensive specialists and Jesper Fast signed in Carolina for 2mil per

One of the worst moves aGorton was responsible for

 

[Fitzy]

All this talk of defensive specialists and Jesper Fast signed in Carolina for 2mil per

Yep. That was a bad move on our part

 

[SA16]

Is Danault even a player you win with? In 24 playoff games he has 1 goal and 5 assists. Matthews had 35 shots in 7 playoff games so I wouldn't exactly say he shut him down.

 

[Raspewtin]

Without Strome and Buch we are a bottom 5 team. I don't think adding better depth + Danault would make up for the loss of both guys.

I think the continued development of Laf will be the difference maker. all of this depth and adding defense is pointless if him and kakko don't keep progressing.

besides, chytil with strome's minutes and linemates scores more IMO

Danault has been well above average offensively at ES while being elite defensively. If people are worried about the optics, he'd get the Panarin bump. He won't get PP time here but who cares, those minutes should be going to Laf/Kakko/etc anyway.

How that makes him a defensive specialist, I don't know. Some people were bugging over the Isles getting Pageau. Danault is a better at everything.

lol Pageau isnt even good at ES. he's an elite PK'er though.

Danault is a head and shoulders better player and younger.

 

[NYR Viper]

Without Strome and Buch we are a bottom 5 team. I don't think adding better depth + Danault would make up for the loss of both guys.

I think if we plan on some improvement from guys like Kaako and Laf, along with some development from Kravtsov and Gauthier they will be okay. The defense should get better as well.

I think if we are looking at losing Strome + Buch and only replacing them with Danault that's a net negative but there will be other changes.

Admittedly, I'm less concerned about next year in which I think it's another transition year as guys develop. Putting pieces in place for the year after is where I'm looking.

 

[Zynbanejad]

Is Danault even a player you win with? In 24 playoff games he has 1 goal and 5 assists. Matthews had 35 shots in 7 playoff games so I wouldn't exactly say he shut him down.

I do not understand this infatuation with him. Someone sell me on him

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Honestly, I get it--opportunity s the world to some, but I'd offer $5M for 4 years. He wouldn't, shouldn't and won't do it probably. He'll be Pascal Dupuis at center in 3-4 years, likely not as fast.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Did he? They scored at roughly the same playoff rate they have in the past.

Imo danault is quickly going to be a wildly overpaid defensive specialist. He wants to be paid like he has offense he just doesn’t have, and he’s 28 - it’s likely not coming

Whether he did on not, the narrative has been that the Candiens shut them down, which will be attributed to Danault, their top shutdown center. This guy is going to get PAID.

 

[haveandare]

Whether he did on not, the narrative has been that the Candiens shut them down, which will be attributed to Danault, their top shutdown center. This guy is going to get PAID.

The narrative ive mostly seen is that the Leafs choked and Matthew and especially Marner arent playoff performers

but yeah he’s going to he overpaid and it’s going to be bad.

 

[cheech70]

I think the continued development of Laf will be the difference maker. all of this depth and adding defense is pointless if him and kakko don't keep progressing.

besides, chytil with strome's minutes and linemates scores more IMO


lol Pageau isnt even good at ES. he's an elite PK'er though.

Danault is a head and shoulders better player and younger.

And Danault is 6' 200#.....its the obvious move in that it stabilizes the pivot and gives Filip another audition next season. It gives us a hedge on Mika and costs nothing but market rate. You add Danult and you have a very good offseason as a rookie GM. Remember next year is not serious cup contender year..we are still wet behind the ears.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

The narrative ive mostly seen is that the Leafs choked and Matthew and especially Marner arent playoff performers

but yeah he’s going to he overpaid and it’s going to be bad.

So no credit then given to how the Candiens actually played against them? That's gonna be a tough sell in negotiations. If you don't think this guy isn't getting 6-7 on a longer term deal then I got the bridge to sell you. That shouldn't even be the discussion right now because that is bound to happen. The discussion should be is he worth that much on a long term deal.

 

[Off Sides]

Danault has been well above average offensively at ES while being elite defensively. If people are worried about the optics, he'd get the Panarin bump. He won't get PP time here but who cares, those minutes should be going to Laf/Kakko/etc anyway.

How that makes him a defensive specialist, I don't know. Some people were bugging over the Isles getting Pageau. Danault is a better at everything.

He is on Montreal playing with Gallagher and Tatar, on the Rangers where his wings are not going to fore-check like those two do, nor likely produce as much as those two do, he is not going to be as effective.

It's the same thing with many of the players the Rangers acquire, they get them then ask why they can't play that same game once in the Rangers line-up.

 

[bobbop]

Next year's coaching staff in Toronto, Craig MacTavish, Dany Heatly and Hardy Nilsson.

Who the f*** is Hardy Nilsson?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

He is on Montreal playing with Gallagher and Tatar, on the Rangers where his wings are not going to fore-check like those two do, nor likely produce as much as those two do, he is not going to be as effective.

It's the same thing with many of the players the Rangers acquire, they get them then ask why they can't play that same game once in the Rangers line-up.

?

Panarin basically produces as much as both of those guys combined.

 

[Off Sides]

Whether he did on not, the narrative has been that the Candiens shut them down, which will be attributed to Danault, their top shutdown center. This guy is going to get PAID.

He did help shut them down, yet on the Rangers where they are not quick enough to get in and fore-check or don't have the players willing to do so, he is basically a 3rd defender, which is how he plays like there as well.

Montreal just happens to have Gallagher who is quick tenacious and can produce, and Tatar on his other side who is a pretty good player in his own right. They do the board work, he hangs back, if they win a puck he goes in. If they lose the puck he is already near center ice. His metric are tied to his line-mates.

On the Rangers, Panarin is not going deep to battle for the puck. Kakko might but he has yet to figure out what to do with said puck after he battles for it. Laff similarly. Kreider likes to just take the puck around the net and then lose possession. Buch would be the closest wing to Tatar and Gallagher the Rangers have.

 

[bleedblue94]

Is Danault even a player you win with? In 24 playoff games he has 1 goal and 5 assists. Matthews had 35 shots in 7 playoff games so I wouldn't exactly say he shut him down.

I would be curious to see a map of where Matthews shots came from in the series vs his shots during the regular season. Not arguing anything here, but I am curious. Rick Nash had a lot of shots on goal in the playoffs but very few from high danger areas.

 

[NYR Viper]

I do not understand this infatuation with him. Someone sell me on him

This is from my post from 5/19 from the last thread

If you look at his underlying metrics, they are REALLY GOOD. Like, the guy has been shoe-horned into a very difficult role in Montreal and has excelled.

Let's just look quickly:

2018-2019
81gp
17:47 ATOI per game
55.5% faceoffs
53 points,
4 PP points
56.7 CF%
+3.9 rel CF%
55.7 FF%
+3.5 rel FF%
55.3% defensive zone starts


2019-2020
71 gp
18:51 ATOI per game
54.5% faceoffs
47 points,
3 PP points
59.5 CF%
+7.0 rel CF%
59.2 FF%
+7.3 rel FF%
51.1% defensive zone starts


2020-2021
53 gp
16:52 ATOI per game
52.5% faceoffs
24 points,
0 PP points
57.0 CF%
+3.8 rel CF%
56.4FF%
+4.1 rel FF%
58.8% defensive zone starts


What these stats scream to me is that this is a player who is HEAVILY used in tough situations and with very little PP time. Most of his points come at 5v5 and his 5v5 point totals are VERY GOOD when compared with the entire league. He consistently gets the toughest match-ups and doesn't just take them, he often wins them and has done so consistently for multiple seasons.

For those that are not aware:
Corsi For% above 50% means the team has the puck more than half of the time while he is on the ice. With the match-ups he receives his numbers are VERY good.
The Corsi For Relative shows that he is not only taking tough matchups but he is also tilting the ice MORE with those tough matchups than his teammates are with the easier matchups
Fenwick % is showing shot attempt differential, again, anything over 50% means you are consistently out-shooting your opponent. So again, his numbers are VERY good when compared to his usage/matchups.
His FF% being higher than the average on the team again shows that while he is taking the tougher assignments (many of which are in the defensive zone) he and his line are moving the puck up the ice and actually doing a better job than the remainder of the team at getting shot attempts.


So you're seeing a guy who not only holds his own against the other teams best lines, he's a guy who EXCELS at doing so and has done exactly that for years. On top of that, his price tag should be somewhat reasonable as his point totals are low due to practically no PP time. All things considered, he is quite literally almost the IDEAL target for a team like the Rangers who has a ton of skilled wingers and needs a good 2-way center who won't break the bank.

 

[Off Sides]

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Panarin basically produces as much as both of those guys combined.

Panarin is not going to go in deep, win puck battles. Neither is Strome, which is part of the reason we are all here being like, why can't the Rangers produce offense any other way than off the rush or on the PP? The other parts, Zbad does it too rarely, Kreider does not have it in him, Kakko, Laff, may not have the skating.

Danault is not the guy who wins the majority of the pucks, he is the guy who leans defensive and picks his offensive spots should those other two win the puck.

There is nothing wrong with that type of player, there is something wrong with paying him what he will command then finding out later the Rangers as a team still can't play a cycle, win pucks to produce off the backboards or wall, and they end right back up where they are.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Panarin is not going to go in deep, win puck battles. Neither is Strome, which is part of the reason we are all here being like, why can't the Rangers produce offense any other way than off the rush or on the PP? The other parts, Zbad does it too rarely, Kreider does not have it in him, Kakko, Laff, may not have the skating.

Danault is not the guy who wins the majority of the pucks, he is the guy who leans defensive and picks his offensive spots should those other two win the puck.

There is nothing wrong with that type of player, there is something wrong with paying him what he will command then finding out later the Rangers as a team still can't play a cycle, win pucks to produce off the backboards or wall, and they end right back up where they are.

They already do.

Barron can do it too.

Giving him variety on his wings will help him, not hurt him.