Speculation: Roster Building Thread III (2021 Offseason) - “Simple Jack”, "Will over Skill", "Drury in a Hurry"?

[CLW]

Panarin, Zibanejad, Strome, Buchnevich, Fast, Smith, Staal, Lundqvist. Just some kids who were on the team when they chose to re-sign Kreider. All of whom, except for Panarin, were here when they traded for Trouba. They had some kids, and a young average age, but they weren't devoid of veterans.

I didn't say they were devoid of veterans, I said Kreider and Trouba had qualities they liked.

 

[bbny]

I didn't say they were devoid of veterans, I said Kreider and Trouba had qualities they liked.

You implied it. You said team full of kids

 

[CLW]

You implied it. You said team full of kids

Oh you are marking words instead of understanding my points. Oh well.

 

[Captain Monglobster]

"Sounds like you forgot I have a NMC, Dru."

'Sounds like waive that shit'

 

[Kords]

LMFAO they are heavier and more physical teams than the Rangers. Its not even close. Not even remotely close. And its not because the Rangers are “younger” as the other poster tried to use as an excuse... its because the Rangers dont have the players that play that game, young or old. Even their “bigger” players play soft. Miller and Chytil are two right off the bat that dont use their size. Kakko and Lafreniere I am not worried about. BUT why are we relying on them anyway to bring that heavy, physical, taxing, bruising game?? That’s straight up stupid. All of those teams have quality depth players that bring a physical in your face element that finishes every check. They all have it. The Rangers dont. Stop kidding yourself. And no you cant so easily just develop that internally. Those teams have added players from outside the organization to bring that element to the highest point it needs to be at for the playoffs.

Yeah, you’re point is definitely made that Washington did not skate well for ONE game out of 4. Clap it up, point definitely made... definitely defines all 7 games played so far amongst those 4 teams...

I mean, you're basically just speculating at this point. You have no clue what kind of players they will be in 4 or 5 years so I have no interest in arguing "what if's". Regardless, you said we had no one who could withstand that toughness initially. That's not the same as what I quoted you above as describing, so you're kind of moving goalposts anyway.

Imagine this board if we had that Caps core and lost as many times in the first round? If only they would of gotten bigger and meaner as soon as they drafted Backstrom, maybe it wouldn't of taken over a decade!

The Isles... don't make me laugh...

The Bruins got one 10 years ago. About 4 core guys are still on that team and the rest have developed since then into the well rounded annual playoff team we see today. These are the oldest teams in the league man, it took time to get where they are.

Pens have just as many cups in the same window of time with none of that magic playoff grit you espouse. How long did it take the Bolts? Blues?? But yeah, lets go ahead and define the youngest team in the league before playing a single playoff game. I'm not against addressing weakness, but time is on our side. If anything the Caps should be a cautionary tale. Rushing the process is how you end up with Erat for Forsberg

 

[TheBloodyNine]

'Sounds like waive that shit'

"No."

Conversation over, Kreider wins.

 

[ETTER DE]

The issue with Panarin was not Panarin, it was the timeline created. He is ~8-10 years older what they drafted from 2017 to 2020.

That is still the issue, in order to build team Panarin with other in their prime players, they made and are going to make more bad contract choices around his already present cap hit.

In order to build and maintain the players they drafted/traded for from 2017-2020 they will need to increase their cap hits, and they will eventually run out of cap space because of the bad contract choices they already made in order to build team Panarin.

After the letter was sent Gorton stated that the rebuild would be done with a combination of drafting, trades and Ufa signings. It was clear from the start that this was going to get done as fast as possible. No way Rangers was planning to waste close to a decade to rebuild through drafting only. No one was expecting Rangers to be a contender already. But I guess there were concerns about how the rebuild went. If they waited a couple of more years there would be a big risk that they had to start all over again.

 

[Raspewtin]

wish i had a dollar for every madpost in this thread about how pathetic and outclassed the rangers are by apparently the entire league and how they’d disintegrate into dust if they dared step on the ice in the playoffs

you guys are so exhausting

 

[Vitto79]

wish i had a dollar for every madpost in this thread about how pathetic and outclassed the rangers are by apparently the entire league and how they’d disintegrate into dust if they dared step on the ice in the playoffs

you guys are so exhausting

lol yea. They are in reality very close to being great

After the Wilson hit all you heard is they are not tough enough but Trouba and Lindgren were out

The team had like the most major penalty fights in the league

I agree in adding sandpaper this off-season but it’s only 1-2 pieces

 

[haohmaru]

lol yea. They are in reality very close to being great

After the Wilson hit all you heard is they are not tough enough but Trouba and Lindgren were out

The team had like the most major penalty fights in the league

I agree in adding sandpaper this off-season but it’s only 1-2 pieces

They are close to being good. They aren't near being great.

And, no, some of us had our alarms go off during the "play-in" last year. That should've opened some organizational eyes right there and then. The "onions" games this year down the stretch just magnified that even further.

I'm thinking at least 4 pieces - vet D, fourth liner(s), figuring out if Strome really is the answer, at least one, if not two, North South dump/retrieve wingers (should've signed Fast), etc...

I mean, there's a lot there but there's elements to add if they have aspirations to do anything in the playoffs.

 

[Vitto79]

They are close to being good. They aren't near being great.

And, no, some of us had our alarms go off during the "play-in" last year. That should've opened some organizational eyes right there and then. The "onions" games this year down the stretch just magnified that even further.

I'm thinking at least 4 pieces - vet D, fourth liner(s), figuring out if Strome really is the answer, at least one, if not two, North South dump/retrieve wingers (should've signed Fast), etc...

I mean, there's a lot there but there's elements to add if they have aspirations to do anything in the playoffs.

With the cap it was impossible for Gorton to do anything . Last year was always another build year with this off-season being the one to make moves

 

[Vitto79]

Rooney , Cizikas , Nosek would be a potentially good 4th line. Barron can come up during the year

 

[haohmaru]

With the cap it was impossible for Gorton to do anything . Last year was always another build year with this off-season being the one to make moves

I don't buy that. He could've traded Strome, Buchnevich, Georgiev, whoever if had aspirations on getting harder to play against. It certainly wasn't "impossible". I mean, I think Gorton did a good job here but there's certainly more going on behind the scenes than we were privy to.

 

[Vitto79]

I don't buy that. He could've traded Strome, Buchnevich, Georgiev, whoever if had aspirations on getting harder to play against. It certainly wasn't "impossible". I mean, I think Gorton did a good job here but there's certainly more going on behind the scenes than we were privy to.

Buch and Strome were great this year so?

Couldn’t trade Georgiev till Shesterkin had a full year. I think he’s traded this year

the cheap UFAs Rooney and Blackwell did well

the cap was supposed to go up then covid hit. Way too much dead cap space last year

 

[GAGLine]

I don't buy that. He could've traded Strome, Buchnevich, Georgiev, whoever if had aspirations on getting harder to play against. It certainly wasn't "impossible". I mean, I think Gorton did a good job here but there's certainly more going on behind the scenes than we were privy to.

Trade them to where? And for whom/what? Let's not act like making trades in this league is easy. Let's also not make the mistake of thinking that because a deal didn't happen, Gorton wasn't trying to make it happen.

 

[Synergy27]

With the cap it was impossible for Gorton to do anything . Last year was always another build year with this off-season being the one to make moves

Last year was supposed to be another build year. But what did it end up being? A year in which the vets were driven into the ground in an unfounded attempt to make the playoffs.

 

[haohmaru]

Buch and Strome were great this year so?

Couldn’t trade Georgiev till Shesterkin had a full year. I think he’s traded this year

the cheap UFAs Rooney and Blackwell did well

the cap was supposed to go up then covid hit. Way too much dead cap space last year

Yeah, but the argument you were making was that it was "impossible" for Gorton to do anything. It wasn't. I didn't say anything about their play or that it was something he SHOULD have done.

Could've traded Georgiev at much higher value and bitten the bullet on Hank and let him finish his career as a Ranger - we weren't competing for a Cup this year anyway. I'm certain that's part of whatever was up Dolan's ass.

 

[haohmaru]

Trade them to where? And for whom/what? Let's not act like making trades in this league is easy. Let's also not make the mistake of thinking that because a deal didn't happen, Gorton wasn't trying to make it happen.

Who knows? Players are traded all the time. Again, I'm not saying that this should've been the route Gorton took, merely that saying the Rangers were in an "impossible" position and couldn't do anything simply isn't the truth if there was strong enough will to make a change.

If anything, retaining Buchnevich and Strome added to their values this year. Gorton & Co. deserve credit for that.

 

[JohnC]

I mean, didn’t he actively try to trade Strome, DeAngelo, and Georgiev during the off season and just couldn’t find any takers because of the stagnant cap? By all accounts, he’s one of, if not the most, aggressive GMs in the league when it comes to trying to make trades.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I mean, didn’t he actively try to trade Strome, DeAngelo, and Georgiev during the off season and just couldn’t find any takers because of the stagnant cap? By all accounts, he’s one of, if not the most, aggressive GMs in the league when it comes to trying to make trades.

I think he is active in talking and exploring options. But I think he is methodical and patient when it comes to making the actual move. I'm not finding fault, but Gorton could be called both active and restrained depending on the context.

 

[LetsGoRangers2021]

Bruins skating literal circles around the big mean Caps. Don't wanna jinx anything, but the Pens are (so far) out skating the bigger Isles. I hope Drury is paying attention. Or probably more importantly Dolan if he really is getting impatient.

The Bruins and Pens are still way tougher than us. There is a balance. We would get crushed out there- hope you guys are seeing that

 

[Machinehead]

Report: New York Rangers interest in Jack Eichel has cooled tremendously - Forever Blueshirts: A site for New York Rangers fanatics

But I thought Dolan was blowing up the team

 

[LORDE]

I'd say (and again this is just from what we have heard from the insiders on this board) that Gorts was hesitant to overpay at times... is that a bad thing or good? Probably depends on the situation.

He gets destroyed for the McD trade, and praised for dealing Nash... could he have dealt Kreider 2 drafts ago? At the trade deadline? Geo?

Those might have been opportunities to overpay a bit to get the player(s) we really need (i.e. a top center prospect)

I feel Gorts was on the right path... but maybe he wasn't as aggressive as he could've been (or Dolan thought).

 

[Kaapo Bustfreniere]

Report: New York Rangers interest in Jack Eichel has cooled tremendously - Forever Blueshirts: A site for New York Rangers fanatics

But I thought Dolan was blowing up the team

Fingers crossed this is true.

 

[haohmaru]

Report: New York Rangers interest in Jack Eichel has cooled tremendously - Forever Blueshirts: A site for New York Rangers fanatics

But I thought Dolan was blowing up the team

Best news I've heard all day. Maybe I'll go pour myself a whiskey even though it's nine o'clock in the morning.