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Speculation: Roster Building Thread III (2019/2020) - Tick Tock

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Gardner McKay said:
Which is strange, considering less than 8 months ago I was reading some high praise for Cheveldayoff on these boards.

Will be the right move for Winnipeg. He is not a great GM.

If the Trouba trade was any indication of how a Laine trade could go, they should fire Chevy now and let his replacement handle the trade.
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I think he is paying now for overplaying his hand with Trouba among others for a long time. There is a saying that you can't keep a player around that don't want to be somewhere. Chevy strong-armed him into just that. I don't think the support for him is great in the locker-room. If the team is screwing players you get kids with the attitude Laine has now...
 
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Berserk said:
The Rangers would have moved Zucc in 2015 when they were about to win the President's trophy if he didn't sign an extension. Trading a guy who has tremendous deadline value who you will walk away for nothing is not the equivalent of "selling," that's called smart asset management.
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No one would dispute that. However, the speculation at the time was that any deal would've been a MSL-like deal. Trading one rental for another to upgrade. There wasn't any real anticipation that the Rangers would dump Zucc for prospects and picks.

"Smart asset management" doesn't entail selling a player for prospects and picks when you're in the race for the Presidents Trophy.
 
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Hunter Gathers said:
No one would dispute that. However, the speculation at the time was that any deal would've been a MSL-like deal. Trading one rental for another to upgrade. There wasn't any real anticipation that the Rangers would dump Zucc for prospects and picks.

"Smart asset management" doesn't entail selling a player for prospects and picks when you're in the race for the Presidents Trophy.
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How else will your forever remain good enough to make the playoffs but not good enough to win the cup?

In all seriousness, I do agree 100%.
 
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Skjeikspeare said:
As @bobbop and @NYRFAN218 have said, Larry is on vacation. He seems to have taken it a little earlier this year as opposed to the first week of August, and he usually will acknowledge it or tell the readers "see you after Labor Day" or something. This year seems more sudden, and he didn't do nearly as much Yankees/Mets which he really enjoys doing (as I've stated on this board I've casually known Larry for about 25 years and run into him through mutual connections every year or two in non NYR settings).

Remember too, he's a grandfather and an HOF writer. He probably wants those few extra weeks to spend time with his family/travel as opposed to speculating where Brassard is going and what the Leafs will do with Mitch Marner. That stuff will sort itself out after Labor Day.
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Larry has also had some health challenges over the last few years.
 
All we can hope for is that the D and the G tank us to another top 5 pick. If the D and the G should surprise us, we are making the playoffs.
 
NYRFANMANI said:
All we can hope for is that the D and the G tank us to another top 5 pick. If the D and the G should surprise us, we are making the playoffs.
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Even a top 8 pick or so. If we can deal Kreider for a first as well, combined with our own, combined with our deep asset pool, we may be able to trade up for a guy we want.
 
Gardner McKay said:
Which is strange, considering less than 8 months ago I was reading some high praise for Cheveldayoff on these boards.

Will be the right move for Winnipeg. He is not a great GM.



If the Trouba trade was any indication of how a Laine trade could go, they should fire Chevy now and let his replacement handle the trade.
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Chevaldayoff let these contract situations go on for far too long before taking any action. I think the Jets are primed to take a big step backwards this year. Their defense could end up being a shell of what it has been.
 
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mschmidt64 said:
Even a top 8 pick or so. If we can deal Kreider for a first as well, combined with our own, combined with our deep asset pool, we may be able to trade up for a guy we want.
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In that kind of deep draft you may want to go quantity, acquire the picks and let them fall where they may. I doubt any team, if convinced that for example that Byfield is the BPA and he's there at 3, trades their pick for anything we have to offer. But sure, what you say is the plan somewhat.

I'm still questioning the cap situation, what the roster will look like when the season starts. I hope to have Kreider on the team when the season starts, if so there is only two possibilites: a) we suck and trade Kreider, bottom out, or b) we actually play very well, in that case he should stay and imo sign with us long-term.

Slowly getting excited for this season.
 
bobbop said:
Chevaldayoff let these contract situations go on for far too long before taking any action. I think the Jets are primed to take a big step backwards this year. Their defense could end up being a shell of what it has been.
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His conservatism with trades drew a lot of praise from fans for a long time, but this contract stuff is an ugly result of the same philosophy.
 
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Berserk said:
It would be horrendous asset management. The Rangers are NOT winning the cup this year. The long term future of this organization is infinitely more important than some pipe dream cup chase. Rather not end up like the Blue Jackets.
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If they are "four points clear" of a playoff spot by the deadline, as Bobbop suggested in his post, it is a bit ridiculous to say they are "NOT winning the cup this year" as their play through 60 games will have been to the contrary.
 
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SA16 said:
If they are "four points clear" of a playoff spot by the deadline, as Bobbop suggested in his post, it is a bit ridiculous to say they are "NOT winning the cup this year" as their play through 60 games will have been to the contrary.
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How so? Do we usually consider teams around the bubble to be solid contenders for the Cup?
 
Tawnos said:
How so? Do we usually consider teams around the bubble to be solid contenders for the Cup?
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On deadline day this year:

1. Vegas 4 points up on a playoff spot
2. Pittsburgh 1 point up on a playoff spot
3. Washington 6 points up on a playoff spot
4. Toronto 7 points up on a playoff spot

I'm pretty sure those teams were considered cup contenders and they were all within 7 points - 2 within 4.

On the same day the year before in the west everyone except Nashville/Winnipeg/Vegas was within 4 points on the 9th spot and I don't think those were the only three teams in the west with any chance of winning.

The spread is just not that big outside of the top two teams and as we know even a team like Tampa was only given like a 25% chance to win it all going into the playoffs.
 
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SA16 said:
On deadline day this year:

1. Vegas 4 points up on a playoff spot
2. Pittsburgh 1 point up on a playoff spot
3. Washington 6 points up on a playoff spot
4. Toronto 7 points up on a playoff spot

I'm pretty sure those teams were considered cup contenders and they were all within 7 points - 2 within 4.

On the same day the year before in the west everyone except Nashville/Winnipeg/Vegas was within 4 points on the 9th spot and I don't think those were the only three teams in the west with any chance of winning.

The spread is just not that big outside of the top two teams and as we know even a team like Tampa was only given like a 25% chance to win it all going into the playoffs.
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Fair enough, even though based on their play last year, I didn't think Pittsburgh or Vegas were serious contenders. I barely considered Washington that either.
 
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Tawnos said:
Fair enough, even though based on their play last year, I didn't think Pittsburgh or Vegas were serious contenders. I barely considered Washington that either.
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Vegas sure as hell was. In fact, I think there would have been in The Finals if they weren't screwed in the San Jose series.
 
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bobbop said:
Vegas sure as hell was. In fact, I think there would have been in The Finals if they weren't screwed in the San Jose series.
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I never really thought they had "it" if that makes any sense. The team had 8 fewer wins than the year before and slumped into the playoffs (3-5-2 last 10 games).
 
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