Speculation: Roster Building Thread III (2019/2020) - Tick Tock

[mas0764]

The problem with holding on to Kreider to the deadline is that he is a leader (the leader IMO) of this team. If the Rangers are 12 points out of a playoff spot, not a huge deal. If they are 4 points clear and getting better and better, it’s a huge deal.

They made be able to get a better deal at the deadline. It could c9me at a big cost.

IMO, I believe the Rangers are pushing hard to make one kind of deal or another right now.

If we are only 4 points out of a spot that might be more reason to trade him.

One more high draft pick please.

 

[mas0764]

When is training camp?

 

[bobbop]

If we are only 4 points out of a spot that might be more reason to trade him.

One more high draft pick please.

I said four points clear...in the playoffs four points ahead

 

[Ola]

The problem with holding on to Kreider to the deadline is that he is a leader (the leader IMO) of this team. If the Rangers are 12 points out of a playoff spot, not a huge deal. If they are 4 points clear and getting better and better, it’s a huge deal.

They made be able to get a better deal at the deadline. It could come at a big cost.

IMO, I believe the Rangers are pushing hard to make one kind of deal or another right now.

Spot on.

I think it tells you something about the bin Gorton is in.

And, to spice it up even further. The NHL is an even league right now. Lets say we look like we can beat everyone, and Kreider has a 35 goals pace?

 

[Irishguy42]

When is training camp?

I don't think they start the NHL training camp until Traverse is done. First preseason game is 9/18.

So...my guess would be that it starts at some point between 9/11 and 9/17

 

[Brooklyn Ranger]

I think Brooks got his feelings hurt with all the fan pushback on his Shattenkirk prediction/leak (which happened to be accurate). Even with things as slow as they are, he’d at least have a slapshots article here and there.

Brooks writes about the Yankees in August--has for years. Everyone is on vacation.

 

[Ola]

When is training camp?

Given how LAZY management has been this summer, I wonder if they had time to book a SITE for the training camp. But I’ve heard that there is an ice sheet at CHEALSEA PIERS they can use.

 

[Roo Returns]

I think Brooks got his feelings hurt with all the fan pushback on his Shattenkirk prediction/leak (which happened to be accurate). Even with things as slow as they are, he’d at least have a slapshots article here and there.

As @bobbop and @NYRFAN218 have said, Larry is on vacation. He seems to have taken it a little earlier this year as opposed to the first week of August, and he usually will acknowledge it or tell the readers "see you after Labor Day" or something. This year seems more sudden, and he didn't do nearly as much Yankees/Mets which he really enjoys doing (as I've stated on this board I've casually known Larry for about 25 years and run into him through mutual connections every year or two in non NYR settings).

Remember too, he's a grandfather and an HOF writer. He probably wants those few extra weeks to spend time with his family/travel as opposed to speculating where Brassard is going and what the Leafs will do with Mitch Marner. That stuff will sort itself out after Labor Day.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

When is training camp?

Going off a post from Rangerboy yesterday, 3 weeks from this coming Thursday.

 

[Mikos87]

The problem with holding on to Kreider to the deadline is that he is a leader (the leader IMO) of this team. If the Rangers are 12 points out of a playoff spot, not a huge deal. If they are 4 points clear and getting better and better, it’s a huge deal.

They made be able to get a better deal at the deadline. It could come at a big cost.

IMO, I believe the Rangers are pushing hard to make one kind of deal or another right now.

I'd consider Kreider a good friend to a lot of his teammates, and a guy whose got seniority, but I do not consider him a leader. Given the nature of the roster now, he's got a lot of seniority, and that matters in a hockey locker room, but a lot of those factors are by default.

This isn't a Wheeler or Benn we're talking about where guys would be nervous around. Kreider's of a guy that guys hang out with and enjoy being around.

In terms of leadership, the Rangers are woefully short, outside of Henrik, there isn't a player on the roster, outside of maybe Zibanejad and yes Ryan Strome that would fit the role of a leader. In other words, a guy that would take other players under their wing, and show them the ropes, and hold them accountable, instead of just being their friend.

 

[NYR Viper]

I have to laugh that people rip Larry left and right and then seem upset or concerned when he leaves for only a short amount of time

 

[apoptygma]

When is training camp?

Isnt official starting date for the season 9/15 every year?

 

[Gardner McKay]

I agree but I’d also rate Winnipeg as the team most likely to have a GM change this year.

Which is strange, considering less than 8 months ago I was reading some high praise for Cheveldayoff on these boards.

Will be the right move for Winnipeg. He is not a great GM.

If they wind up forced to trade Laine that's going to be a Seguin-level lopsided moronic trade that will bite them later, that's for sure. If that happens the GM has got to go.

If the Trouba trade was any indication of how a Laine trade could go, they should fire Chevy now and let his replacement handle the trade.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

The Rangers are in first place in their division by the deadline and Kreider isn't signed they should still trade him. Losing him for nothing would be devastating.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

The Rangers are in first place in their division by the deadline and Kreider isn't signed they should still trade him. Losing him for nothing would be devastating.

If the Rangers are in first place by the deadline and start selling, that would be moronic.

They won't be, however, so it's a discussion we won't have to have.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If the Rangers are in first place by the deadline and start selling, that would be moronic.

They won't be, however, so it's a discussion we won't have to have.

They won’t sell, but they really should be moving CK if they don’t intend on keeping him.

There is nothing stopping them from moving Kreider and making an add or 2.

 

[mas0764]

I’m hoping the Avs look like a contender and we can extort Newhook and a first from them for Kreider.

Hey! I can dream.

 

[MrPodz]

I’m hoping the Avs look like a contender and we can extort Newhook and a first from them for Kreider.

Hey! I can dream.

Assuming makar and byram make the team and both explode on the season, its not infallible. They have a 2c now from the toronto trade and their defense is really good. Their top line is one of the top lines in the nhl, goaltending is their one area of concern, as it is for most. If kreider is playing like he did prior to the tdl this season and theyre in top 3 in their division, i see no reason why we cant get a first, probably not newhook but i feel like theyd give us Jost, i dont know why but just s feeling.

 

[Kovalev27]

I have zero desire to deal with the avs at this point. Sakic can go try and squeeze blood from another stone. We shouldn’t be selling to them. Guy very clearly f***ed us at the draft. Newhook would have been the ideal pick.

Listen at this point all we can do is pray CK has a monster year and that we can get a 2020 first rounder for him. At this point when you look at it. Very clear Kakko Buchnevich Kravtsov and Panarin should be your top 6 wingers for a long time. I think Buchy takes another step this year and signing him not trading him seals Kreider’s fate.

Wouldn’t make a lot of sense to sign long term to big money a top 6 winger when you have that kind of quality talent there already.

Save space to pay your centers and budding defensive studs working their way up The ladder.

 

[Avery16]

I have to laugh that people rip Larry left and right and then seem upset or concerned when he leaves for only a short amount of time

IF this is a reference to my comment, I neither rip Brooks left and right, nor am I upset/concerned.

 

[Kupo]

I have zero desire to deal with the avs at this point. Sakic can go try and squeeze blood from another stone. We shouldn’t be selling to them. Guy very clearly ****ed us at the draft. Newhook would have been the ideal pick.

What a silly thing to post.

Sakic didn't **** us. Newhook dropped later than he should have and he made the right decision for his club.

 

[NYR Viper]

IF this is a reference to my comment, I neither rip Brooks left and right, nor am I upset/concerned.

It’s not you, just a general comment

 

[MrPodz]

How many points can we expect kakko and kravstov to have? In general, i just dont know. Its hard to predict rookies because they play in europe where there are signficantly less games played. Recall chytil who said that the schedule was hard for him because of so many games. Its extremely hard to be consistent in the nhl and I am going to be positive and predict 20 g, 25 a for kakko, 16g, 23 a for kravstov. Im hoping thats the lower limit of what theyre capable but id be ecstatic if tht were their first yesr numbers. I also expect chytil to take a big step forward. Also lias is like officially the forgotten prospect.

 

[will1066]

How many points can we expect kakko and kravstov to have? In general, i just dont know. Its hard to predict rookies because they play in europe where there are signficantly less games played. Recall chytil who said that the schedule was hard for him because of so many games. Its extremely hard to be consistent in the nhl and I am going to be positive and predict 20 g, 25 a for kakko, 16g, 23 a for kravstov. Im hoping thats the lower limit of what theyre capable but id be ecstatic if tht were their first yesr numbers. I also expect chytil to take a big step forward. Also lias is like officially the forgotten prospect.

I'm right about 90 points combined from the two players.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

If the Rangers are in first place by the deadline and start selling, that would be moronic.

They won't be, however, so it's a discussion we won't have to have.

The Rangers would have moved Zucc in 2015 when they were about to win the President's trophy if he didn't sign an extension. Trading a guy who has tremendous deadline value who you will walk away for nothing is not the equivalent of "selling," that's called smart asset management.