Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[huerter]

Did anyone hear Larry on the Junks talking about how important it was to have Oshie back on the PP because he's a righty? Hmm...#LarryGetsGeometry

 

[duhmetreE]

Who are we trading for ROR or Tarasenko?

B.

I don't think the trade value would be that far off either way

At this point it could be a Rick Nash type of price? but hopefully a 2nd instead of a 1st

 

[bleedblue94]

It wasn't funny? Not the second time. Certainly not the 500th time.


He starts GDTs. If I ignore him, I'm blocked from seeing the GDT. I'd happily block him otherwise.

Who cares...

 

[bleedblue94]

Did anyone hear Larry on the Junks talking about how important it was to have Oshie back on the PP because he's a righty? Hmm...#LarryGetsGeometry

Their pp is different. and their halfwall player is a lefty that presents a shot threat, not another righty that is shooting from the boards if he shoots.

Move panarin to the bumper and use laffy or kakko on the halfwall. You keep your precious rhs in the bumper, get one of your kids into the rotation as they should me, and you also finally offer a potential one time option from the right side instead of every team knowing there is no threat there. Every goalie in the league should know they can load their left leg to anticipate the push the their right if the puck is on the wall right now bc it wont be a shot coming from that spot. Now is the time to try it.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

If things go well and we're targeting one of the high end rentals, I look to make the pick a 2nd for sure. We could make it conditional in that if we make the SCF it turns into a first or something like that to help sweeten it for the opposing GM.

 

[pld459666]

You mean ignore the immature adult?

Absolutely no fun in that.

 

[kinger8998]

NY Rangers projected lineup: Teammates discuss impact of Jacob Trouba's wake-up call

The value of the media callout. Lowkey, but when a leader whether it be coach or player calls out an attitude or trend, guys know who hes naming without saying names.

Sure, the kids being up and a solid lineup aside from potentially 1 change is more of a driving factor, but accountability is the key.

Glad Trouba brought it and the team responded

 

[pld459666]

Probably in the small minority, but I do not want any rentals at the deadline this year.

Trust in the group we have, and use the capital we have at the draft to improve the team.

In order to know how to win, one must experience failure. Last year was a lesson, but I truly believe this team needs another hard lesson. They seem to comfortable losing.

They need to learn how to hate losing MORE than they love winning.

Let that sink in.

Pass on Kane, RO'R, Tank.

All of them.

 

[kinger8998]

If things go well and we're targeting one of the high end rentals, I look to make the pick a 2nd for sure. We could make it conditional in that if we make the SCF it turns into a first or something like that to help sweeten it for the opposing GM.

High end rentals rarely go for anything less than a guaranteed first, unless its an overtly weak year.

Kane, ROR, Tarasenko while almost certainly garner a 1st.

The 2nd rounders will likely be allocated to guys such as Monahan, JVR, Toews, etc.

If these moves with are really going to give us close to 7 million in cap space at deadline...that gives us room for Kane @ 50% + a defenseman @ around $1M for 3rd pair veteran option.

I believe this is the likely route.

1st, Kravtsov and another pick or B level prospect to Chicago for Kane @ 50%

2023 COL 3rd or 2024 NYR 4th to a team for a veteran defenseman

Laf-Zib-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Kane
Kreider-Trocheck-Vesey
Blais-Goodrow-Gauthier

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
??-Schneider
Hajek

 

[kinger8998]

Probably in the small minority, but I do not want any rentals at the deadline this year.

Trust in the group we have, and use the capital we have at the draft to improve the team.

In order to know how to win, one must experience failure. Last year was a lesson, but I truly believe this team needs another hard lesson. They seem to comfortable losing.

They need to learn how to hate losing MORE than they love winning.

Let that sink in.

Pass on Kane, RO'R, Tank.

All of them.

While I don't disagree...Tampas same general group (Stamkos, Kuch, Hedman, Palat) suffered the 2015 loss to Chicago, the sweep by Columbus and other losses before winning it all.

But we also have to consider they added pieces at each deadline in those seasons, yes, I supposed it was for nothing because they lost, but it was not for nothing. Its the message sent to the group that you not only believe in them, but you're willing to place an extra bet that they have what it takes and you're willing to go out and spend assets to supplement that to give them the best chance to win.

 

[haohmaru]

At this point I have to wonder if Kakko and Trocheck practice hitting the post.

 

[haohmaru]

1st, Kravtsov and another pick or B level prospect to Chicago for Kane @ 50%

Absolutely f***ing NO. Keep the pick, play Kravtsov, we're not winning a thing by adding a rapidly aging forward with 4 goals in 25 games. He is NOT what this team needs.

Deepest draft in 20 years isn't worth renting a dude living on his past and signing somewhere else on 7/1/2023. I couldn't be more emphatically against this.

2023 COL 3rd or 2024 NYR 4th to a team for a veteran defenseman

If we're in a playoff position, sure.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Absolutely f***ing NO. Keep the pick, play Kravtsov, we're not winning a thing by adding a rapidly aging forward with 4 goals in 25 games. He is NOT what this team needs.

Deepest draft in 20 years isn't worth renting a dude living on his past and signing somewhere else on 7/1/2023. I couldn't be more emphatically against this.



If we're in a playoff position, sure.

Kravtsov blows, but yeah Kane is far from the answer.

I'm not really loving most of the rental options out there but there so much season left before we even get to that point. Plenty of time for people to step up and make certain needs unnecessary or for things to go belly up to the point where we're selling instead.

 

[Taluss]

Yeah f*** Kane. Wait till next UFA. Grab a RW there if we can make $ work

 

[Boris Zubov]

High end rentals rarely go for anything less than a guaranteed first, unless its an overtly weak year.

Kane, ROR, Tarasenko while almost certainly garner a 1st.

The 2nd rounders will likely be allocated to guys such as Monahan, JVR, Toews, etc.

If these moves with are really going to give us close to 7 million in cap space at deadline...that gives us room for Kane @ 50% + a defenseman @ around $1M for 3rd pair veteran option.

I believe this is the likely route.

1st, Kravtsov and another pick or B level prospect to Chicago for Kane @ 50%

2023 COL 3rd or 2024 NYR 4th to a team for a veteran defenseman

Laf-Zib-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Kane
Kreider-Trocheck-Vesey
Blais-Goodrow-Gauthier

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
??-Schneider
Hajek

You promised you weren't going to keep posting Kane proposals every day til the deadline, but yet here we are.

 

[Savant]

DING DING DING DING DING

Look, I can understand the reasoning if you play a guy like Buchnevich over Kakko in previous seasons. That makes sense. And if we had some actual top-6 wingers to play ahead of Kravtsov, I'm all for it. But this team and its coaches have put a parade of bottom-6 players ahead of our top prospects.

Fast
Blackwell
Hunt
Blais
Goodrow
Vesey

Sorry, but there's just no excuse for that. That's not how you handle your top-10 picks. We finally got Laf and Kakko on the top-line with Zibanejad but for how long? How long until Gallant has that itch again and changes it up?

Funny thing about Fast is that he has pretty much been stapled to Jordan Staal as long as he has been in Carolina. He’s been on the checking line/D Zone start line and he’s been very good in that role. I think the Rangers have just been obsessed with having a retriever role on each line

 

[IDvsEGO]

Kravtsov blows, but yeah Kane is far from the answer.

I'm not really loving most of the rental options out there but there so much season left before we even get to that point. Plenty of time for people to step up and make certain needs unnecessary or for things to go belly up to the point where we're selling instead.

Im far from a kratsov truther, but since he's come back from injuries (in the small sample size we have) kratsov is better than anything we really have available. And he adds dimensions we don't have. He's got good speed and he surprised me in his forechecking. He's won some decent puck battles that I wouldn't have expected him to with his size.

He looks like a 9th overall pick.

 

[egelband]

Probably in the small minority, but I do not want any rentals at the deadline this year.

Trust in the group we have, and use the capital we have at the draft to improve the team.

In order to know how to win, one must experience failure. Last year was a lesson, but I truly believe this team needs another hard lesson. They seem to comfortable losing.

They need to learn how to hate losing MORE than they love winning.

Let that sink in.

Pass on Kane, RO'R, Tank.

All of them.

100%. Just with the injury caveat. But yes, these guys need to sort it out. No waiting on reinforcements.

 

[IDvsEGO]

100%. Just with the injury caveat. But yes, these guys need to sort it out. No waiting on reinforcements.

I'll say the only move i'd like them to make is LD. I dont think gallant will play jones, and Hajek will get eaten alive out there.

 

[kinger8998]

You promised you weren't going to keep posting Kane proposals every day til the deadline, but yet here we are.

I haven't been on the boards in over weeks talking about Kane. I've talked about games, roster decisions, state of the team.

Trade deadline rentals and the price of them was a topic of conversation today and recenty. I added my piece, as every poster on this board is entitled to.

I also talked about different rental options and prices, as well as how rsoter decisiojs right now make it look like the team has a plan at deadline. But you chose to ignore all that and get worked up about a Kane proposal because you don't want him.

Disagree with me all you want, but I have as much a right as anyone to post about the trending topics of the day, as well as my twist, additions, takes and building on them. If you don't like it, oh well I don't know what to tell you. Keep scrolling to the next post.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I haven't been on the boards in over weeks talking about Kane. I've talked about games, roster decisions, state of the team.

Trade deadline rentals and the price of them was a topic of conversation today and recenty. I added my piece, as every poster on this board is entitled to.

I also talked about different rental options and prices, as well as how rsoter decisiojs right now make it look like the team has a plan at deadline. But you chose to ignore all that and get worked up about a Kane proposal because you don't want him.

Disagree with me all you want, but I have as much a right as anyone to post about the trending topics of the day, as well as my twist, additions, takes and building on them. If you don't like it, oh well I don't know what to tell you. Keep scrolling to the next post.

Fair enough, but keep going on & on about Kane & don't be surprised when people just roll their eyes at you, and tune you out.

Not to mention, he's exactly what this team doesn't need.

 

[kinger8998]

I'm just not confident, and I don't think the Rangers will be either, going into the playoffs with Kravtsov as a top 6RW especially when we also have 2 other top 6 wingers under 22.

I'm not one of those experience matters more than being good, but I don't think a team has ever won with 3 top 6 players 22 or under.

ESPECIALLY when we are all up in arms about Goodrow or Vesey filling a top 6 role, and they would be the backup option to Kravtsov as Laf cements himself as a viable option to play top 6 LW over Kreider.

And like it or not, despite the struggles, a team with Igor, Fox, Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider, Trouba, Trocheck contracts as well as Kakko and Chytil on bridges and Laf in final year of ELC will most definitely be giving their best effort to win right now no matter how strong the 2023 draft class is.

Doens't need to be Kane, but this team will 99% be adding at the deadline as long as we are in the Playoffs, and we will either move one of our 1st round picks, or we will move our 2nd and 3rd and not pick again until the 6th round.

I will agree, if its not Kane or Tarasenko, we can likely keep both our 1sts. Options after them in terms of a RW become very thin. Nyquist, Dadonov, Domi, JVR essentially become your options. Not bad, for the cost of likely a 2nd rounder. But none of them move the needle that much in case of injury and/or Kravtsov not being cut for playoffs.

If Kravtsov is injured or can't produce come increased physicality of playoffs, and Goodrow/Vesey ends up there....I don't want to see how worked up you will all be then if you're already ready to say the sky is falling now despite a 5-1 win.

You need depth, need experience, need versatility, reliability and most of all options come playoffs. Not adding at trade deadline would be a collassal mistake

Fair enough, but keep going on & on about Kane & don't be surprised when people just roll their eyes at you, and tune you out.

Not to mention, he's exactly what this team doesn't need.

I'm fine with anyone who doesn't want to hear about Kane tuning me out, to each their own. I haven't mentioned him for WEEKS, until the topic of Goodrow occupying a top 6 RW seemingly saying the team will add there to move Goodrow down in the lineup at the expense of Kravtsov being a topic of conversation.

I was going on and on before I took a weeks long break of mentioning him, but if mentioning it again for the first time in a while in the midst of a talk about hints from lineups, deadline additions etc makes people tune me out, then that is out of my control.

 

[kinger8998]

I'll say the only move i'd like them to make is LD. I dont think gallant will play jones, and Hajek will get eaten alive out there.

The addition of Braun last season was the least heralded of the deadline, and its significance went unnoticed. Braun isn't anything out of this world, but he provided a massive upgrade over Nemeth and Hajek.

Whether we revisit Braun or its a different guy this time around, this move is very important, even though it will come at a cheap cost relative to potentially adding a middle 6/top 6 RW

 

[kinger8998]

Its also very important to remember that we are posters, while the Rangers actions will tell us more about what they are going to do than we are about what we think they should do.

Reaves trade and Carpenter waive slot this team to have $7.1 million in Cap space come the deadline.

You may WANT them to only add a 3rd pair defender, and hey, I think its important they do too, and I'd bet they will.

But you don't make moves to accumulate 7 million in deadline cap to only add a 3rd pair defender. Whether its a big move for a high paid forward (ie $7M+ dollar salaries would be JVR, Tarasenko, Kane) with some retention, or multiple additions like last season, this team will be adding.

Our improved depth this year as opposed to last year (not needing 3 forward additions), along with the Carpenter move taking our deadline cap fron $4M to $7M leads me to believe it will be a higher end forward addition, but I could 100% be wrong. I have been before and will be again.

So maybe its a matter of asking who we add and not if we add. Just a thought. Its important to consider the team positioning itself since we speculate on the team. When speculating, its important to read the room and the lay of the land

 

[Off Sides]

Seriously, they rent every year when they are in playoff position, and it never gets them over the finish line.

This time will be different, trust me.