Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[I Eat Crow]

Columbus open to dealing a young C In a Kravtsov/Jones package ?

Doubtful. They're sooooo bad this year. Doubt very much Johnson or Sillinger would be even remotely available.

 

[CLW]

TBH I think Gallant is being forced to ice the team that gives them the best chance to make the playoffs. Development is not now nor never was nor ever will be a priority in this market. Every playoff game missed is a boat load of revenue lost. The market will never accept being bad just to develop young players. People come out to see huge hits, big goals and amazing saves. Not to see young Kakko learn his game eating up big minutes on the top line. Thats why the rebuild only lasted 2 seasons with Gorton, Davidson and Quinn losing thier jobs. The next season we were back in the playoffs with a new coach, new GM and a shiny new marketing campaign. No quit in NY. Which, ironically, could be said about the other 31 cities.

The Market = the Owner.

Every fan base is split the same way. Patient people who want to build the right way vs the instant gratification crowd.

 

[SA16]

You're being a bit disingenuous looking only at 5v5. At even strength last year, we had 6 players who had more than 30 points, and two others with 29 points.

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I've yet to see anything from Blais that suggests he can do it, but given the injury, I do expect him to be better than he has been.

How is that disingenuous? Blais would not get a minute total of ice time at 4v4 or 3v3 so it has nothing to do with him. Even strength numbers for the top guys will of course be a lot higher than 5v5 because they play in overtime. Even strength also, for some reason, counts ENG situations Goodrow 29 ES pts, 4 PK pts, 33 total pts, 4 EN pts last year), and 5v5 does not and again blais doesn’t play there either. He’s an incredibly one dimensional player for a fourth liner considering he’s a zero on special teams and has never even been used to defend leads at the end of games.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Lol at people blaming Dolan.

I can guarantee you that before Panarin was signed he had no idea he even existed. That was 100000% JG/JD.

It tracks with the moves that those guys have made at other locations (Chara, Savard, Johnny Hockey this past off season.) If Montreal had any cap space you could bet your balls that they would have been bigger players for some of the names out there last offseason.

 

[IDvsEGO]

This is the best reason I've seen for sitting Kravstov.

Ultimately its all about Panarin and you are correct. When he was with Strome, they also felt the need to put Goodrow or Hunt there because they would backcheck, be stronger on the body and be more responsible in their own zone.

When Panarin was with Trocheck you could trust that it was taken care of as well. Kravstov could be the other winger, easily in that scenario.

Its not only your astute observation about PK personnel, but its also about the tough reality that Trocheck and Panarin arent meshing well.

I personally love having Chytil up in the top 6 getting more time and having Trocheck with Kreider on the 3rd because it really spreads out the depth. But all of it is at the expense of knocking Kravstov out of the lineup.

My only problem with everything said in your post and the one you're replaying to, is that chytil isn't shit in his own end. That narrative was from last year. Chytil is currently very effective in both scoring, and shutting down the other teams scoring.

You want to make a line that doesn't get scored on, have 3 players who can get the puck out of the zone and not turn it over. Goodrow cant do that. The game last night, how many unforced turnovers did he have? It was like watching a mites game where they handle the puck like a live grenade.

 

[GAGLine]

How is that disingenuous? Blais would not get a minute total of ice time at 4v4 or 3v3 so it has nothing to do with him. Even strength numbers for the top guys will of course be a lot higher than 5v5 because they play in overtime. Even strength also, for some reason, counts ENG situations Goodrow 29 ES pts, 4 PK pts, 33 total pts, 4 EN pts last year), and 5v5 does not and again blais doesn’t play there either. He’s an incredibly one dimensional player for a fourth liner considering he’s a zero on special teams and has never even been used to defend leads at the end of games.

It's disingenuous because you are purposely excluding things to make your point seem stronger.

If Goodrow can score 29 points at even strength, it isn't out of the realm of possibility that Blais could do it to. It won't be this year, but with another year of healing, maybe he can in the future.

 

[SA16]

It's disingenuous because you are purposely excluding things to make your point seem stronger.

If Goodrow can score 29 points at even strength, it isn't out of the realm of possibility that Blais could do it to. It won't be this year, but with another year of healing, maybe he can in the future.

So you're saying it makes sense to compare Goodrow's scoring, which includes four empty net points, to Sammy Blais when Goodrow plays in that situation and Blais does not? You are being more disingenuous by including things that benefit one player but not the other. How about we simply look at the scenario that exists for both of them?

Nobody uses "Even Strength" points because it is a meaningless combination of different game states.

Sammy Blais will never score 25+ 5v5 points in a season without the benefit of extreme puck luck and a very high sh%. His one "good" offensive year in 2020-2021 consisted of an 11.76% on ice shooting percent at 5v5. Good for 14th best in the entire NHL. Right after Mark Stone, Max Pacioretty, and Auston Matthews. Comparable players, I know.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Our prospect going to jail lol WOAT luck with prospects

Forward prospect.

This should be the expectation going forward.

Either they leave the organization, we bring them to the NHL and screw with their heads or they go to JAIL

 

[EdJovanovski]

Forward prospect.

This should be the expectation going forward.

Either they leave the organization, we bring them to the NHL and screw with their heads or they go to JAIL

Or they die. At this point I’m convinced this team is literally cursed

 

[Vitto79]

Doubtful. They're sooooo bad this year. Doubt very much Johnson or Sillinger would be even remotely available.

Yea prob not

STL stinks . Barbashev maybe ?

Tarasenko at the deadline

 

[IDvsEGO]

Yea prob not

STL stinks . Barbashev maybe ?

Tarasenko at the deadline

why are we trying to add a big name when last year should've shown that the path is to add to fill depth.
A 3rd pair LD and maybe a 3rd line forward should be what we want.
Keep both firsts.

 

[NYR Viper]

You're being a bit disingenuous looking only at 5v5. At even strength last year, we had 6 players who had more than 30 points, and two others with 29 points.

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I've yet to see anything from Blais that suggests he can do it, but given the injury, I do expect him to be better than he has been.

This is all I have been trying to say.

Thank you @GAGLine

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Speaking of prospects.

Or they die. At this point I’m convinced this team is literally cursed

I was going to say that too but I felt it was a little insensitive lol

Cherepanov would be 33 and a seasoned superstar on this team. Who knows.

Wish I could peer into another dimension where he was alive and getting this team Cups with Henrik

 

[NYR Viper]

Pavelski is not getting dealt. Dallas is going for the Cup this year. Maybe in the summer.

You're not wrong. I've been beating the drum of the bolded for a while. It's like Panarin turned into a stereotypical Russian primadonna as soon as the Putin backed hit piece came out when he was the polar opposite before that. It's absolutely bizarre.

I don't see Kreider or Trouba waiving their NMC's this coming summer. The player that makes the most sense to trade and should be dealt is Panarin. Take him off the top power play unit and given him 3rd line ES minutes unless he earns more. He'll start sulking and want out.


Bingo. But why not play him and improve his trade value?


I like Garland the player. Has a little bit of piss and vinegar to his game and fills a position of need at a great cap number. However, unless a big contract gets moved, I don't see the Rangers having space for him, even if you spend $2 to $2.5 million each bridging Lafreniere and Miller to two year deals.

Who does Vancouver want? It's going to be the ludicrous asks from the Miller trade all over again. Schneider. Kakko. Lafreniere. They're delusional over there. Realistically? I'd offer Kravtsov and Jones. Add Colorado's 2023 3rd if they retain 25%.

The ask is the key. He's been a disappointment this year and if they are looking to just shed money, perhaps Kravtsov and a mid-round pick is what I would offer if they would retain $.95m. Not sure if they would do that or not but it would clear $3m from their books and he has become redundant. He'd fit in really well on this team.

We are making excuses for why Blais hasn't produced, and this is fine. Tearing his knee up like he did does take time to fully recover.

With that being said, wouldn't part of the recovery/strengthening process be that he needs rest? He isn't playing a ton of minutes, but the intensity is there. The preparation to play is there. Having him rotate in and out so he can work on his game, as well as continue to build more strength and durability for the knee would be beneficial to the player.

Then you have the ability to get Blais in a better spot while giving you the ability to rotate guys in and out of the lineup to see what you have. It makes no sense to me that Blais playing 8-10 minutes a night and no rest is a good way for him to recover. Wouldn't it make sense to have some additional recovery time and also being able to work with the training staff on making him more comfortable?

No argument from me in terms of playing him less. I would have honestly given him 2-3 weeks at the beginning of the season to continue strengthening his knee and then asked him to do a conditioning stint in the AHL as well. But starting things off, I would have NEVER offered him a 1 year deal.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

To squash out the jovo disinformation crusade.

 

[Vitto79]

why are we trying to add a big name when last year should've shown that the path is to add to fill depth.
A 3rd pair LD and maybe a 3rd line forward should be what we want.
Keep both firsts.

Cause they desperately need a scoring RW

 

[IDvsEGO]

Cause they desperately need a scoring RW

No we desperately need goodrow out of the top 6. adding a scoring rw does nothing if goodrow is still there. We have kratsov who's "fine" in that spot, but gallant wont move goodrow out of there.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Ryan Carpenter cleared waivers

 

[duhmetreE]

what would you rather have
A.)
Laffy Zibs Kakko
Panarin Chytil Tarasenko
Kreider Trocheck Kravtsov

or
B.)
Laffy Zibs Kakko
Panarin RO'R Chytil
Kreider Trocheck Kravtsov

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

what would you rather have
A.)
Laffy Zibs Kakko
Panarin Chytil Tarasenko
Kreider Trocheck Kravtsov

or
B.)
Laffy Zibs Kakko
Panarin RO'R Chytil
Kreider Trocheck Kravtsov

B

B all day.

A is enabling Panarin to be the worst version of himself and the organization needs to stop catering to him. I don't think he really changes his game all that much if B happens, but at least ROR is there to cover for his ass.

 

[NYR Viper]

Ryan Carpenter cleared waivers

This is a low-key good thing

 

[I Eat Crow]

what would you rather have
A.)
Laffy Zibs Kakko
Panarin Chytil Tarasenko
Kreider Trocheck Kravtsov

or
B.)
Laffy Zibs Kakko
Panarin RO'R Chytil
Kreider Trocheck Kravtsov

Who are we trading for ROR or Tarasenko?

B.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

This is a low-key good thing

and Rooney wasn't picked up, phew.

 

[DanielBrassard]

It's disingenuous because you are purposely excluding things to make your point seem stronger.

If Goodrow can score 29 points at even strength, it isn't out of the realm of possibility that Blais could do it to. It won't be this year, but with another year of healing, maybe he can in the future.

If Sammy Blais scores 29 points the rest of his career that would be somewhat of a surprise.

what would you rather have
A.)
Laffy Zibs Kakko
Panarin Chytil Tarasenko
Kreider Trocheck Kravtsov

or
B.)
Laffy Zibs Kakko
Panarin RO'R Chytil
Kreider Trocheck Kravtsov

A is a lot more likely, but B.

 

[Daves a mess]

If Sammy Blais scores 29 points the rest of his career that would be somewhat of a surprise.


A is a lot more likely, but B.

Blais to 29 points or Ovi to Gretzkys goal total?

Let's go Sammy!!