Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

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Something is rotten in the locker room. And it stems from the vets, Trouba, Mika, Panarin, and Kreider.
I believe this, to an extent. I believe the leaders, the top guys, are not playing very well and certainly not doing enough for this team to win consistently.
I blame that partially on the Rangers/MSG culture in general and the lack of accountability.
I don’t think it’s anything sinister. I don’t think that changing the roster or “system” will significantly change the above.
I do think these guys can and will turn it around.
 
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Hot take but I think making Trouba captain pissed of Kreider and his boys a lot. I don’t care what Kreider says right now about Trouba to make nice, everything Kreider did and said on and off the ice last year was a big push to get that C on his chest. I think that part of the issue is the boys don’t respect Trouba as much as they say they do. Understandably so, especially after some of the absolutely brutal plays Trouba made in the ECF, when it counted most.
It was definitely a slap in the face.

It's like not being invited to a party, even though you wouldn't have gone, it still bothers you.

He should have been offered the Captainship. If he truly didn't want it, he could have declined. @Edge from long ago mentioned it was always Trouba. I just dont see it. You can be a diplomat of the locker room, it doesn't make you the leader.

I see a guy working with people off-ice, on-ice and the last to leave the ice, that's probably the guy. Also being a homegrown, here for nearly a decade... it makes no sense
 
I believe this, to an extent. I believe the leaders, the top guys, are not playing very well and certainly not doing enough for this team to win consistently.
I blame that partially on the Rangers/MSG culture in general and the lack of accountability.
I don’t think it’s anything sinister. I don’t think that changing the roster or “system” will significantly change the above.
I do think these guys can and will turn it around.

its clear naming a mercenary like Trouba Captain over Kreider was a mistake, if only because the massive amount of pressure it put on Trouba. I still doubt Kreider or Mika wanted it either way. The move was to wait a few years for Fox to take it as the franchise player. That’s what I think happens once Trouba leaves
 
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No single player would help this team short of a McDavid. Even then, it wont make a cup difference

Even when we had Copp, Vatrano and Motte... That one little spurt post TDL quickly went away when the playoffs began. Our 5v5 game was an embarrassment, yet we found ways to win ( PP and Shesty predominantly ).

The system is the issue. We are playing dated hockey and we're not even executing that dated hockey system to a high level. So, we're at a double handicap. We're as good as the 'individual' any given game. We are not a team.

The league has advanced considerably. We have not. A team of 5 that works well together and as a unit will beat us 9 out of 10 times, unless there's a herculean effort by certain individuals. That is not a recipe for success imo
I'll let ya in on something that management can't figure out..... we will never win a cup until our kids are ready. The fact that they keep trotting Vesey out on line one and hand Lafreniere 10 or so mins a night just proves that point. We aren't going anywhere until they get Lafreniere, Kakko, and Chytil to be productive members of this team, they are all good players, but they need opportunity and some slack to make mistakes without being denied ice time. If they don't start playing these guys now, this rebuild is toast.
 
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Rangers were 29% on faceoff wins tonight against the Senators. 29%. They have been outdrawn every game this season by the opposing team. It’s a recurring theme. They are horrible in the faceoff dots all season.
Untrue. They were over 50% until recently. They were actually doing quite well early in the season.
 
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Rangers were 29% on faceoff wins tonight against the Senators. 29%. They have been outdrawn every game this season by the opposing team. It’s a recurring theme. They are horrible in the faceoff dots all season.
They have over a 50% FO win rate in 8 games this season. Bad but not “every game”
 
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I don’t think a big trade is needed. These guys, from the top down, need to figure it out. Shuffling chairs isn’t going to fix it and may keep the spotlight off the big guys. Feel the same way about a potential coaching change. Shine the light on the guys we already have. They have it in them to improve.
 
They probably will make a defenseman trade at the deadline if they have a decent record, but if I had to name two players who aren't currently on the team that remind me the most of our current malaise I'd do well to come up with Kevin Shattenkirk and John Klingberg.
 
With Kreider you’ve basically extracted everything you could possibly want from a 19th OA pick AND he realistically doesn’t even make that much money in the grand scheme of the roster.
Seriously. His cap hit is 6.5 million. That's high end 2nd line money. He scored 52 goals last year, he's on pace for 38 goals and 68 points right now. He's the best net front player in the NHL. His underlying metrics are terrific. He's still a very, very, very effective NHL player and discussion around him sometimes feels like we're talking about a guy putting up 20-20 rates or something. I get wanting the kids to play more minutes but I really don't understand the attitude about Kreider sometimes.

With his goal last night he moved into 9th place all time in franchise history for goals.
 



this is what real leaders do,

when have you seen the skilled leaders besides Kreider and Goodrow do this, sticking up for teammates?

take notice Mika and Panarin.
 
What the Rangers need is a deadline like the Avalanche pulled off last year;

a) 4-5 defenseman with an edge (Manson)
b) solid winger who can play defense and score (Lehkonen)
c) keep this years first round picks
Some skilled physical forward that crash the net and goad the opposition into penalties, a guy like Max Domi would bring some passion to the group.
 
What the Rangers need is a deadline like the Avalanche pulled off last year;

a) 4-5 defenseman with an edge (Manson)
b) solid winger who can play defense and score (Lehkonen)
c) keep this years first round picks
Agreed. This years' team doesn't have a long playoff run in them, IMO. If we're making deals, they should be aimed at long term returns. No rentals, & nothing to simply secure the 8th spot only to lose in the first round. I'd rather start tanking at that point.
 
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Reading the last couple of pages it's kind of interesting because you have the group that doesn't want bread to go anywhere, the group that doesn't want CK to go anywhere and the group that doesn't want laffy to go anywhere. And every one of these groups overlaps and intersects with each other. So I guess my question is if you don't want any of these guys to go anywhere then how in the world is that supposed to work? Now somebody that says to just put CK down on the third line and make him your net front guy on the power play as a solution leaves me wondering how in the world you can have 18 million of cap tied up into two left wingers AND also have your 1oa pick remain here who you hopefully will eventually give a prominent role to while he thrives in it and also need to be compensated? Regardless of the money, who is going to take a back seat to allow laffy to evolve? And it can't just be at 5v5 because even the most patient person in the room that wants to say that he can improve his game substantially over time just via even strength has to realize that at some point that power play ice time needs to transfer over. I just don't understand how people think that it's going to work even two more years with the way the left side is right now. Not to mention otter is also on his way, or is he going to get put on the right wing now as well?
 
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I believe this, to an extent. I believe the leaders, the top guys, are not playing very well and certainly not doing enough for this team to win consistently.
I blame that partially on the Rangers/MSG culture in general and the lack of accountability.
I don’t think it’s anything sinister. I don’t think that changing the roster or “system” will significantly change the above.
I do think these guys can and will turn it around.
This right here. The rangers only have the same amount of cap dollars to spend for salaries for players but they always stand out because they provide everything extra imaginable for players which is great, but if they also have coaches and management that look at the players and say do what you want to do then you breed an environment of entitlement. The most successful coaches here over the last several decades have been the ones that have been complete sobs except for the first couple of years of AV being here which I believe he capitalized on the foundation that torts left of accountability and work ethic which slowly eroded away the longer AV was here, however at the very beginning of his tenure we saw the benefits of him taking the shackles off the players offensively. A veteran team in this kind of environment needs a real leadership core that won't let players slip. The fact that they basically have had the same leadership core here for the last several years and they weren't able to name a captain until this summer for whatever reason out of that same group does not really suggest that within that leadership group there was a standout person. It really feels like they just pick somebody that would be good with the media and was marketable as the American boy and it came down between Chris and Jake. It just looks and feels like a group that's way too comfortable with being mediocre regardless what they say. That points to entitlement and complacency as far as I'm concerned
 
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With Kreider you’ve basically extracted everything you could possibly want from a 19th OA pick AND he realistically doesn’t even make that much money in the grand scheme of the roster.

No matter what he does it's not enough. 52 freaking goals last year, 2nd all time, for a franchise that's been around nearly a hundred years. "No way he's doing that again" instead of "Wow, he actually exceeded everyone's expectations".

He's on pace for a measly 37 goals this year. Loser.
 
Reading the last couple of pages it's kind of interesting because you have the group that doesn't want bread to go anywhere, the group that doesn't want CK to go anywhere and the group that doesn't want laffy to go anywhere. And every one of these groups overlaps and intersects with each other. So I guess my question is if you don't want any of these guys to go anywhere then how in the world is that supposed to work? Now somebody that says to just put CK down on the third line and make him your net front guy on the power play as a solution leaves me wondering how in the world you can have 18 million of cap tied up into two left wingers AND also have your 1oa pick remain here who you hopefully will eventually give a prominent role to while he thrives in it and also need to be compensated? Regardless of the money, who is going to take a back seat to allow laffy to evolve? And it can't just be at 5v5 because even the most patient person in the room that wants to say that he can improve his game substantially over time just via even strength has to realize that at some point that power play ice time needs to transfer over. I just don't understand how people think that it's going to work even two more years with the way the left side is right now. Not to mention otter is also on his way, or is he going to get put on the right wing now as well?
You have to get Lafreniere and Kakko going...they are both good players, they were all their lives. They didnt just forget how to play hockey. They need to trust them, use them in big game positions for better or worse they have to play. Drury and company seems to think the kids just show up and get 25 goals year playing 10 mins a night. They are barely involved in the game....its beyond time to give them ice and some trust
 
It was definitely a slap in the face.

It's like not being invited to a party, even though you wouldn't have gone, it still bothers you.

He should have been offered the Captainship. If he truly didn't want it, he could have declined. @Edge from long ago mentioned it was always Trouba. I just dont see it. You can be a diplomat of the locker room, it doesn't make you the leader.

I see a guy working with people off-ice, on-ice and the last to leave the ice, that's probably the guy. Also being a homegrown, here for nearly a decade... it makes no sense
Kreider is simply not a captain. He is very clearly socially awkward. He is such a fake leader, and I don't mean to be "that guy" but if you have played somewhat of a high level you understand what I am talking about. Just does shit to appease the coaches.

But when push comes to shove Kreider isn't blocking a shot to his face to win the Stanley Cup. Trouba would
 
You have to get Lafreniere and Kakko going...they are both good players, they were all their lives. They didnt just forget how to play hockey. They need to trust them, use them in big game positions for better or worse they have to play. Drury and company seems to think the kids just show up and get 25 goals year playing 10 mins a night. They are barely involved in the game....its beyond time to give them ice and some trust
Can someone post the average ice time per game for our forwards? Cause I'm not believing the "10 mins a night" thing....
 
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Can someone post the average ice time per game for our forwards? Cause I'm not believing the "10 mins a night" thing....
I think Laf and Kakko are top 5 in 5v5 time last I checked.
The problem is that especially lately gallant has started to revert to his sit the kids in the 3rd trailing again. They get plenty of time in the first and second but often very inconsistent time.
 
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