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Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

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I hope they don't trade kravtsov but I worry they will. Makes some sense too turn kravtsov, Gauthier, hajek into a rental player or two. Roster getting to be a game of musical chairs and the music is going to stop soon.
 
I'm fine with trading Kravy if it means bringing in a quality, proven player in return, but I'm also fine with keeping him, particularly if his attitude is right. He needs to put on some muscle and learn the NHL game but he has plenty of talent.
It's probably the same people who wanted Chytil shipped out that are wanting Kravy shipped out.
 
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Kravtsov needs time, his temper tantrum last year cost him a season of building strength and adjustment to NA ice. Trading him at the low value that he currently sits serves no purpose to the organization, particularly for a rental. At least with Andersson, the team was able to recoup a long term asset. I would much rather just earmark him for 10-15 more games this year, and get him in the gym with a trainer. Let him experience playoff NHL hockey from the stands and fill in for injuries and then assess his value at the draft. His next contract will certainly be a 1 year, cheap deal. With an off-season of core strength building, the kid could look like a completely different player next year.
 
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The S5 said:
I'm fine with trading Kravy if it means bringing in a quality, proven player in return, but I'm also fine with keeping him, particularly if his attitude is right. He needs to put on some muscle and learn the NHL game but he has plenty of talent.
It's probably the same people who wanted Chytil shipped out that are wanting Kravy shipped out.
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The thing is, when is he going to put on this muscle? He is now 23 years old. He had about 5 years to do so. What was he doing in the offseasons? What training regiment was he following? Nutritional guide? Was it one the team provided? Did he ignore it? He is going to be 24 next December. When does he get in the gym and start taking his NHL career seriously?
 
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RGY said:
The thing is, when is he going to put on this muscle? He is now 23 years old. He had about 5 years to do so. What was he doing in the offseasons? What training regiment was he following? Nutritional guide? Was it one the team provided? Did he ignore it? He is going to be 24 next December. When does he get in the gym and start taking his NHL career seriously?
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As soon as the Rangers trade him, silly.
 
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Let’s say you’re right and those were the only things holding him back (and they aren’t) what makes you think he’d actually put in the work to get bigger and stronger?

He’s had 5 years to do that.
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The russian players in general come over not in shape for an nhl game, Buchnevich even if everyone forgets was the same way and it took him some time to get his strength, was even called out for it much like Kravtsov in the media. It's not to say he isn't in shape, but you need to be stronger for the nhl game vs Khl. If Kravtsov had followed the CHL route instead of KHL you might have a point but these kids need to find out the hard way when they get here and it takes time after they do. Lundkvist even though not a Khl player was a casualty of the same thing.

RGY said:
The thing is, when is he going to put on this muscle? He is now 23 years old. He had about 5 years to do so. What was he doing in the offseasons? What training regiment was he following? Nutritional guide? Was it one the team provided? Did he ignore it? He is going to be 24 next December. When does he get in the gym and start taking his NHL career seriously?
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Russian training....AV specifically mentioned it when Buchnevich was first starting. Ignoring who did what and why he left, he needed to be in north america, he's basically a rookie this year so quoting his age is almost irrelevant.
 
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Crease said:
Panarin - Zibanejad - TBD
Lafreniere - Chytil - Kakko
Kreider - Trocheck - Vesey
Cuylle - Goodrow - Blais

Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba
TBD - Schneider
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I like TBD he is very versatile. :sarcasm:

All seriousness, love those lines, just need to see who we are willing to move to get that Top 6 help. If we are still upgrading the 3LHD, would look into Kulikov, will not be expensive to get him, and he’s been playing pretty solid on a very poor defensively structured Anaheim team. Would be an upgrade on Harpur but them re-signing him makes me think he is their guy for that bottom D slot.
 
QJL said:
I’m just curious, would it be possible to acquire someone like Tarasenko on a sign and trade? Would love to see Tank sign for something like a $6M x 4 year deal, and then shave that down to 50%. We move out the Goodrow contract to make the space.

It’s an opportunity for the Blues to navigate through Tarasenko’s NTC as he picks his destination. That would indicate their plan to rebuild. I’m curious if they would do that with players like Thomas, a Kyrou, and Snuggerud who look to be major contributors soon.

If that’s legal, I would be willing to move a big package.
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I seriously doubt St. Louis is rebuilding. They just signed Thomas and Kyrou to 8 year deals and both are in their prime. And even if they were rebuilding, there's no way they are signing Tarasenko for 4 years and then retaining 50%. Just not happening. We'd have a better chance of getting Buchnevich back at 50%.

Besides all that, do we really need to sign a RW long term? Kakko is improving. Laf is improving. If none of Kreider, Laf or Panarin can move to the right side, then maybe we need to bring someone in, but we'd need to move one of Kreider or Panarin in conjunction with that move, I think, and we're probably a year or two from that happening.

Maybe Kravtsov puts it together. Maybe Othmann can play RW in a couple years, or maybe a kid we select in this year's draft can, assuming we hold onto our 1st round picks. Maybe Cuylle, Berard or Sykora can fill a 3rd line spot down the road.

There are options. We just spent money on a 2C when we already had a 2C on the roster. Rather than lock ourselves into another long term vet contract, let's be patient and see if a RW option emerges.

Daves a mess said:
Viewing him adds 3 inches to Jovo too..
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That's quite generous of you.
 
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Laffybomb said:
The russian players in general come over not in shape for an nhl game, Buchnevich even if everyone forgets was the same way and it took him some time to get his strength, was even called out for it much like Kravtsov in the media. It's not to say he isn't in shape, but you need to be stronger for the nhl game vs Khl. If Kravtsov had followed the CHL route instead of KHL you might have a point but these kids need to find out the hard way when they get here and it takes time after they do. Lundkvist even though not a Khl player was a casualty of the same thing.


Russian training....AV specifically mentioned it when Buchnevich was first starting. Ignoring who did what and why he left, he needed to be in north america, he's basically a rookie this year so quoting his age is almost irrelevant.
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I wouldn’t say it’s “Russian” training. But indeed, whatever training he has had up til now wasn’t getting him the balance and strength needed to fight for space in the NHL. 100% right about Buchnevich. It took him like three years to get that right. He had such a high center of gravity. But he got there. And VK will as well. He seems to have matured and to be on the right track. It would be a pity for the rangers to give up on him now.
 
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I seriously doubt St. Louis is rebuilding. They just signed Thomas and Kyrou to 8 year deals and both are in their prime. And even if they were rebuilding, there's no way they are signing Tarasenko for 4 years and then retaining 50%. Just not happening. We'd have a better chance of getting Buchnevich back at 50%.

Besides all that, do we really need to sign a RW long term? Kakko is improving. Laf is improving. If none of Kreider, Laf or Panarin can move to the right side, then maybe we need to bring someone in, but we'd need to move one of Kreider or Panarin in conjunction with that move, I think, and we're probably a year or two from that happening.

Maybe Kravtsov puts it together. Maybe Othmann can play RW in a couple years, or maybe a kid we select in this year's draft can, assuming we hold onto our 1st round picks. Maybe Cuylle, Berard or Sykora can fill a 3rd line spot down the road.

There are options. We just spent money on a 2C when we already had a 2C on the roster. Rather than lock ourselves into another long term vet contract, let's be patient and see if a RW option emerges.
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Prior to trading for Tarasenko I'd inquire on his number for a three-year contract. That would coincide with Panarin's contract expiring.

Agree zero chance the Blues would sign and retain. They're only moving him for the cap space and 100% of his cap hit comes off their books at season's end.
 
Barbashev , Acciari
If not then similar adds

Panarin , Zib, Barbashev
Kid line
Kreider , Trotchek , Goodrow
Vesey , Acciari , Gauthier , Blais

6th D rental . Maybe even a cheap 7th

Kravtsov , Hajek gone
Cuylee , Leshscyn to AHL
Ideally Harpur too but doubt it
 
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Prior to trading for Tarasenko I'd inquire on his number for a three-year contract. That would coincide with Panarin's contract expiring.

Agree zero chance the Blues would sign and retain. They're only moving him for the cap space and 100% of his cap hit comes off their books at season's end.
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With what cap space.
Chytil and miller are both looking at big raises.
Laf is looking at something short but still a raise.
Tank has never been a ufa, he’s likely not looking short term. He’s had a rebound season and a half and is gonna want another big money contract.
 
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With what cap space.
Chytil and miller are both looking at big raises.
Laf is looking at something short but still a raise.
Tank has never been a ufa, he’s likely not looking short term. He’s had a rebound season and a half and is gonna want another big money contract.
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I'd look to trade Goodrow and one of Kreider or Trocheck this offseason.

Tara is 31 and coming off $7.5m. He isn't making that on his next contract, especially if it's longer than one year, otherwise he's going to live someplace he'd rather not. I think he would take less to play in NYC and potentially on a line with Panarin.
 
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Rangers can get a ton of easy shopping done by giving Philly a call to see what they want for Patrick Brown and Nick Seeler. Both are extremely boring acquisitions, but would be instant upgrades over guys like Leschyshyn and Harpur who shouldn’t be in the lineup. Seeler has an edge to his game and isn’t complete ass at hockey like Harpur too.

I genuinely don’t know what their end game is with Kravtsov, but I really want to see this kid succeed. He’s had some flashes of improved play this year, but can’t get any consistency going within his own game or his usage. If he isn’t in the future plans, see if Poile would take the chance on him by swapping him for Phil Tomasino. Tomasino is still waivers exempt too, which would help the Rangers managing roster moves this and next year. They liked him a lot in the 2019 draft, and he or Heinola would’ve been the likely pick if they kept it.
 
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Watch NJ add Timo Meier

Watch the Isles grab Timo Meier?

And well overpay for pat kane because he scored a few goals last year @ msg .

Devils are going to the Cup if they land Meier .

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Horvat is not worth 8.5M in the first place let alone 8.5M, a first round pick, a prospect, and a middle six wing.
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Nor is Vinny Trocheck
 


The Rangers have enough money to re-sign their three key free agents. $1M cap increase.

Can we stop with contract extensions for Tarasenko or trading for Labanc? The Rangers don’t have the space. Bettman doesn’t seem to be in the mood for negotiating a cap increase or talking to the players about an 84 game schedule or a change in the playoff format. The players will pay off debt and the cap will go up. $1M increase this summer.
 
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