Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[Kodiak]

Buying out Goodrow to have dead cap from 2025-2031 is like refinancing a car loan with a few years left to save $20 a month now, in exchange for paying an extra $5k in interest across the life of the refinance. It’s insanely fiscally irresponsible and that’s how a team can destroy its cap in a hurry.

I don't think a buyout is the first option, but it is certainly an option. It all depends on what the trade market is for Goodrow. If a team will take the full contract (maybe with a late round pick), then that is ideal. If a team wants to send back a similar contract, that's a non-starter. If a team wants us to retain on Goodrow, it would depend on how much. If it's under $1m I would probably take it.

Buying out Goodrow can make sense if there is no good trade option because it gives us the most cap space in the years where we need it most. Chytil, Miller, and Lafreniere need new contracts this year. Kakko and Schneider the year after. In those two years, Goodrow's buyout will give us a small credit, in addition to taking his cap hit entirely off, in the years where we are expecting the cap to rise by only $1m and then it is uncertain. After those two years, the cap will rise considerably, so it should not be too much of an issue.

 

[McRanger92]

The Rangers traded for one of the biggest names available last deadline. It just so happened that they needed depth as well.

The price was high for Copp but I wouldnt call him a big name.

Btw, it is not going well for him in Detroit. Bottom 6 production and he got bundled in a fight against Dach last night. Woof. Bullet dodged

 

[Avery16]

The price was high for Copp but I wouldnt call him a big name.

Btw, it is not going well for him in Detroit. Bottom 6 production and he got bundled in a fight against Dach last night. Woof. Bullet dodged

No that hit us. We just escaped with wounds.

 

[Vitto79]

Should waive Hajek today and back the cap space

 

[RangerBoy]

32T podcast. No mention of the Rangers and Tarasenko. They mentioned the Islanders and Devils. When the Blues talked to Calgary about Tkachuk, Elliiotte believes the Blues talked to Jersey about moving Tarasenko's money. The Devils like Meier. He linked Barbashev and Acciari to Vegas. Cassidy coached Acciari in Boston. Barbashev played with the Blues against Cassidy's team in the finals.

 

[McRanger92]

Zac Jones going to the AHL All-Star game with Cuylle. Good to see. I think Jones is definitely available in a trade, but once he gains his NHL strength I think he'll be a better player than Nils Lundkvist. Hopefully they are telling him to watch tape of Krug & Spurgeon down on the farm.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers can't afford Meier. Kane stinks.

 

[B17 Apricots]

A year of proper training when you start with great diet and rest, 20lbs is doable.

It's his literal job. I never understand how paid professionals aren't at peak condition. Your entire life is predicated on being the best athlete you can be.

I think it was McDonagh that did an interview years ago now, I don't remember the exact context maybe they asked him about his pregame routine or something and he said he eats a bowl of Lucky Charms before every game. Loaded with genetically modified garbage, food dyes that are illegal in some countries, preservatives, artificial vitamins. In this day and age I thought it was crazy to hear a pro athlete say that's his pregame meal

 

[EdJovanovski]

The Rangers can't afford Meier. Kane stinks.

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1% LMAO how are his numbers that bad? He couldn’t have fell off that hard. Looks like his numbers have always been terrible, at least the past 3 years and I think he was a great player 3 years ago, no?

 

[Chytilmania]

I think it was McDonagh that did an interview years ago now, I don't remember the exact context maybe they asked him about his pregame routine or something and he said he eats a bowl of Lucky Charms before every game. Loaded with genetically modified garbage, food dyes that are illegal in some countries, preservatives, artificial vitamins. In this day and age I thought it was crazy to hear a pro athlete say that's his pregame meal

Unfortunately a lot of pro athletes are not healthy. Many guys are crushing Red Bulls and Coke between periods then taking sleeping pills after the game. Then they have their :insert junk food: to get in the calories.

 

[duhmetreE]

I think it was McDonagh that did an interview years ago now, I don't remember the exact context maybe they asked him about his pregame routine or something and he said he eats a bowl of Lucky Charms before every game. Loaded with genetically modified garbage, food dyes that are illegal in some countries, preservatives, artificial vitamins. In this day and age I thought it was crazy to hear a pro athlete say that's his pregame meal

it is crazy but they don't know any better. Another area where the NYR as an org should be LEAPS an BOUNDS ahead of other orgs.

 

[NYR Viper]

Zac Jones going to the AHL All-Star game with Cuylle. Good to see. I think Jones is definitely available in a trade, but once he gains his NHL strength I think he'll be a better player than Nils Lundkvist. Hopefully they are telling him to watch tape of Krug & Spurgeon down on the farm.

I wouldn't be trading Jones or Cuylle. I would be expecting them both to play or push for spots next year. With Schneider having another year under his belt, it will be easier for Jones to transition into the league next year

 

[Mandar]

With the upcoming draft be highly touted, would anyone anticipate that the player(s) we draft in the 1st round might be on the opening night roster? Being out of $$ necessity or just plain talent....

 

[mas0764]

Thinking the future cap situation over, it's an absolute no brainer for the Rangers to buy out Goodrow no matter what this summer. With the cap credit for the next 2 years, we gain 3.8 & 3.7 mil in space over the next 2 years, at a time when we need to extend Miller/Chytil/Lafreniere/Lindgren/Kakko/Schneider. vesey & Trocheck can both handle the responsibility Goody was brought in for. It also buys us time for Kreider/Trouba's NMCs to become NTCs. Theres a poison pill in 26-27 season where we will be paying above his current cap hit for 1 season, but that corresponds with the expiration of Panarin's contract, and the cap will have significantly increased by then.

If I'm Drury, I pull the plug on Goodrow and try to get Miller & Chytil to sign 6-7 year extensions

Good call.

Goodrow's a nice player, but he's so far from necessary.

He chips in points, but he's the exact kind of low-level player that guys like Cuylle, Berard, and even Othmann should be able to replicate his contributions (or a decent percentage of them) for just a fraction of the cost.

It's so much more worth it to keep your core pieces affordable by getting them on long term contracts early (as long as you properly identify said long term pieces correctly).

 

[The Crypto Guy]

With the upcoming draft be highly touted, would anyone anticipate that the player(s) we draft in the 1st round might be on the opening night roster? Being out of $$ necessity or just plain talent....

0% chance unless we somehow land Bedard

 

[McRanger92]

I wouldn't be trading Jones or Cuylle. I would be expecting them both to play or push for spots next year. With Schneider having another year under his belt, it will be easier for Jones to transition into the league next year

I've always likde Jones and I think the Rangers are handling this well. Let him develop playing everyday in Hartford and grow into his frame. He has been rewarded with cups of coffee in 3 seasons and sometimes that's what it takes. He is certainly a trade piece but I think he'll be contributor as soon as later this year if he keeps it up and sticks around.

 

[NYR Viper]

With the upcoming draft be highly touted, would anyone anticipate that the player(s) we draft in the 1st round might be on the opening night roster? Being out of $$ necessity or just plain talent....

Highly unlikely

 

[McRanger92]

Good call.

Goodrow's a nice player, but he's so far from necessary.

He chips in points, but he's the exact kind of low-level player that guys like Cuylle, Berard, and even Othmann should be able to replicate his contributions (or a decent percentage of them) for just a fraction of the cost.

It's so much more worth it to keep your core pieces affordable by getting them on long term contracts early (as long as you properly identify said long term pieces correctly).

On this we agree. The biggest thing is that Trocheck and Vesey werent here when that contract was signed. They are more than capable and Goodrow's money is better spent elsewhere. I think fans need to keep in mind the leaguewide cap situation when talking about any potential "money out" trades. It will be hard one to make to find a team that Goodrow doesn't have on his list, that has cap space and willing to trade an asset.

 

[Jauffre]

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Man that doesn't look good. Unless he forces his way here on the cheapest of cheap, and we can get another team to eat some more cap, he's not worth it at all. He's still the best passer in the league IMO, but the last thing we need is another pass-first guy. He can't seem to score anymore. Shooting 6%.

 

[mas0764]

I keep coming back to the fact that a NMC doesn't absolutely preclude a trade. It's going to be difficult to find a home for someone like Kreider due to the cap issues around the league but if a player sees the writing on the wall, they may prefer to be traded when they have absolute control rather than wait another season when it slips through their fingers and they have a longer list they can't say no to.

One of the three of Kreider, Trouba, or Panarin should go sooner rather than later. There's a good reason for it to be any of them.

Kreider seems the most redundant. He's not really a legit first line winger. Yeah, yeah, he scored 50 last year. That was an aberration and will not be repeating, probably ever. He's more like a 30 goal winger - maybe even less in down years, from here on out. He's really a middle six winger moving forward. He's far too inconsistent and frankly I think Kakko is just plain better than the guy right now. Kreider is just fed all the PP time but has zero other affect on the game if he's not getting sweet one timer or tip in set ups. That being said, he's also the cheapest.

Panarin is the most expensive and he's not playing to the level of his pay. He's being paid to be Draisaitl, MacKinnon, Matthews level, and he's not. If Panarin were playing like he was his first two seasons, you'd keep him all day. But he's not.

Trouba is the worst player of the three and the second most expensive. On top of that, if we weren't so hell bent on running every young defender out of town like Jones and Nils, we'd have replacements for him in spades. Instead, we want to banish every defenseman who isn't massive but then we will soon be out of RD prospect depth, if Jones can't be tried there. Plus for some insane reason we just named him captain.

If it was me, Trouba would be the move.

 

[NYR Viper]

Good call.

Goodrow's a nice player, but he's so far from necessary.

He chips in points, but he's the exact kind of low-level player that guys like Cuylle, Berard, and even Othmann should be able to replicate his contributions (or a decent percentage of them) for just a fraction of the cost.

It's so much more worth it to keep your core pieces affordable by getting them on long term contracts early (as long as you properly identify said long term pieces correctly).

I don't understand the constant harping on Goodrow. He is on pace for ~38 points over 82 games while playting wing and center on literally every line on the team and getting prime PK time. He's averaging 14:53 a game and of that time, he is averaging 1:53 of PK time. So he is getting 13 minutes of 5v5 ice time. Of his current 22 points, 3 have come on PP, 1 has come on the PK.

For a team looking for 5v5 offence and a team looking to compete, Goodrow is not a non-useful piece. Also for his versatility and point totals he's not a problem. The issue is that the higher paid players aren't carrying the team as they should...

Even strength metrics


Zibanejad
0.7 g/60
1.6 A/60


Panarin
0.8 g/60
1.6 A/60


Kreider
1.3 g/60
0.5 A/60


Goodrow
0.8 g/60
1.1 A/60

At 5v5, per 60 minutes, he is outscoring Kreider and really not THAT far off of Zibanejad and Panarin. That's a problem. Especially if the team is looking to buy out a player and have dead cap space for many years...

 

[mas0764]

Buying out Goodrow to have dead cap from 2025-2031 is like refinancing a car loan with a few years left to save $20 a month now, in exchange for paying an extra $5k in interest across the life of the refinance. It’s insanely fiscally irresponsible and that’s how a team can destroy its cap in a hurry.

What was insanely fiscally irresponsible was handing out $6m, $8m, $5m, and $3.6m to a bunch of middle of the lineup or bottom of the lineup players making it hard to sign core pieces like Chytil, Kakko, Miller, and (hopefully) Lafreniere.

If we can squeeze by, fine. But you gotta get those kids locked up for a good term. It's not like I want the extra money to throw at other aging, overpriced vets.

But if you can't, then something has to be cut.

 

[haveandare]

it is crazy but they don't know any better. Another area where the NYR as an org should be LEAPS an BOUNDS ahead of other orgs.

I’m pretty sure McDonagh knows that Lucky Charms aren’t the most ideal healthy meal possible.

They’re humans, they like things that aren’t ideal. In the vast majority of circumstances those likes aren’t going to make much of a difference on the ice at all.

 

[mas0764]

I don't understand the constant harping on Goodrow.

Cause something has to give and it's not gonna be Miller, Chytil, or Lafreniere.

If we move out Kreider or Trouba, then Goodrow can stay.

Goodrow is the easiest target because no NMC. It's not that he's not a useful player. It's that you can't have everything and it is literal insanity to get rid of one of the kids and only slightly less crazy not to try to lock them up long term.

You have to identify which vet it's least painful to shed.

Other than Trouba, who has a NMC, it's Goodrow.

 

[Zynbanejad]

The Devils will almost definitely get Meier and it will definitely suck. He's a monster.