Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[CLW]

Vally pushing Adam Erne and Barbashev as trade targets on Staple's podcast, with the idea to find linemates who can work with Trocheck. I still think the priority should be RW to play with Panarin & Mika, but both guys are good options.

Concur finding someone to play with Panarin and Mika with chemistry would help the team the most. Keep the kids together. Put Kreider and Vesey with Trochek, they've showed fine together even if it was a small sample. Seeing people with the mindset to "fix" Trochek (already) is somewhat alarming.

 

[McRanger92]

Concur finding someone to play with Panarin and Mika with chemistry would help the team the most. Keep the kids together. Put Kreider and Vesey with Trochek, they've showed fine together even if it was a small sample. Seeing people with the mindset to "fix" Trochek (already) is somewhat alarming.

Fixing Panarin is a far more urgent problem

 

[Synergy27]

If the Devils add Meier I’m f***ed. I was supposed to be a Devil’s fan. I chose the Rangers because, well, if you’ve ever been to the Brendan Byrne Arena you’d understand.

I like the way that team plays a lot more than how this Ranger team plays. Meier would only exacerbate that situation - I LOVE that player.

Brutal stuff.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

If the Devils add Meier I’m f***ed. I was supposed to be a Devil’s fan. I chose the Rangers because, well, if you’ve ever been to the Brendan Byrne Arena you’d understand.

I like the way that team plays a lot more than how this Ranger team plays. Meier would only exacerbate that situation - I LOVE that player.

Brutal stuff.

I've seen Springsteen at the Brendan Byrne (is not dead yet) Memorial Arena, but never been to a hockey game there.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

It's also interesting to note that someone apparently thinks Kreider is on the level of Marchand, Bergeron, etc, which he absolutely is not.



If the Rangers are now afraid of the Devils they should take a look in the mirror at what they should have kept doing themselves: rebuilding till they had enough elite forward talent.

You're a big stat guy, aren't you? @Machinehead posted Kreider's fancy stats in a thread not to long ago, and they are borderline elite. The guy is a first line player on like 80% of teams in the league. You just pencil players with no NHL experience in the lineup and think they'll just replace guys like Kreider, Trouba, and Goodrow. Shit don't work like that. If you had it your way, this team would have no veterans and would be forced to put guys in situations they aren't ready for and they'd get caved every damn night. If Robertson is such a lock, why can't he beat out Harpur for the 6 D spot. Speaking of Goodrow, Tampa is going to spend their deadline assets trying to find someone just like Goodrow.

Do you think this team just signs guys with no regard for the cap? You don't think that when they sign players in the offseason to long term deals they aren't factoring in which players need new deals the following year? You so enamored with the Devils, go root for them. Cheaper seats too.

I'm still calling bullshit on this deal Edge or no Edge. There was no smoke anywhere other than a dude on HFB that sometimes gets stuff right and is vetted. You keep going back to this and, even if he were on to something, nobody knows the details or parameters of the trade and you rely on it as gospel. Let's stop pretending this was a highly reported deal that went south. It's not.



It is Kravtsov's fault, however, that you can basically knock him over with a deep breath. He needs to get stronger, a lot stronger, if he wants to stick in the NHL.

I'm willing to bet Dallas called Gorton and asked what the price for Kreider was and Gorton responded with Robertson and your first. To which Dallas said thanks but no thanks.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

When did I say Berard or Cuylle was replacing Kreider?

I think you might be cross referencing a post where I said those guys should be able to cheaply replicate a portion of Goodrow's production.

You wouldn't get rid of anyone if it was up to you, which is even more silly and wrong. Someone has to go, I'm just outlining the decision making process for which it should be.

And you can mock all you want but despite all the ignorance you accuse me of, I'd have traded Kreider to the Stars for the Robertson and a first package and we'd be way ahead of the game.... so.... maybe I'm not the one who doesn't understand the sport.



We have Schneider, Lindgren, and Robertson all who have size and physicality. So we do have both.

Jones, Robertson and Nils aren't ready for the big show yet. That leaves us with:

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Schneider
Harpur-Hajek

Yikes.

 

[McRanger92]

Rangers still have more elite forward talent than the Devils. Only Jack is truly elite on that team. The problem is we have a caveman idiot behind the bench who neuters the team offensively.

Hughes carries that team. They are nothing without him. They’ve also made the playoff one (1) time since beating us in 2012. People who think we should be envious of their rebuild need to get a grip. They’ve proven absolutely nothing.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Delete

 

[Boris Zubov]

Unfortunately a lot of pro athletes are not healthy. Many guys are crushing Red Bulls and Coke between periods then taking sleeping pills after the game. Then they have their :insert junk food: to get in the calories.

My GF works for Delta & the in-flight meals for the Red Sox has a bunch of decent options, but all the players prefer f***ing Chick Fil-A over everything. They literally leave things like 10 pounds of lobster meat untouched to eat that MSG filled fast food chicken.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Hughes carries that team. They are nothing without him. They’ve also made the playoff one (1) time since beating us in 2012. People who think we should be envious of their rebuild need to get a grip. They’ve proven absolutely nothing.

I wouldn't go that far, they have manged to fill a lot fo holes. And idk what you mean by "they've proven absolutely nothing", this is the first time they've been competent and they look legit, unless you think this year is a fluke?

 

[HonestGabe]

I'd move mountains for Timo Meier

 

[RangersFan1994]

I'd move mountains for Timo Meier

if Drury can pull that off

 

[duhmetreE]

He's actually 6'5, there is propaganda to make him shorter. See him next to Kakko who's 6'3 and Krav towers over him. Krav is exact same height as K'Andre who's 6'5. I swear Krav used to be listed at 6'5 on some sites and 6'4 on others, now they shrunk him to 6'3

So that makes it even worse. 6'5 180 is starvation

 

[Boris Zubov]

So that makes it even worse. 6'5 180 is starvation

That was Darryl Strawberry before roids.

 

[duhmetreE]

am I the only one that thinks we'd be able to trade Goodrow for a 2nd round pick?

That was Darryl Strawberry before roids.

but he had crackhead strength

 

[GAGLine]

I'd move mountains for Timo Meier

You'd have to in order to make the cap work.

 

[Boris Zubov]

but he had crackhead strength

touche'

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

FWIW I think Buffalo is much more equipped to get Meier.

Carolina is also liable to pull some f***ery too. That would worry me more.

 

[GAGLine]

am I the only one that thinks we'd be able to trade Goodrow for a 2nd round pick?

To which team? Teams with cap space have all the leverage and teams without cap space won't want him.

 

[duhmetreE]

FWIW I think Buffalo is much more equipped to get Meier.

Carolina is also liable to pull some f***ery too. That would worry me more.

I would 100% be all-in if I were Carolina

 

[leetch99]

if Drury can pull that off

There will be another Meier available next year at this time in all likelihood . I would not mind Konecny from the Flyers...a nasty RW with a scoring touch and 3 years left on his current deal including this one at 5.5. He would fit our window and not break the bank or prospect pool . Fitting in the following two years might be hard without cap going back or out .

 

[huerter]

There isn’t a coach in hockey that would have Krav as part of a playoff TEMPLATE. All the comments about a Gallant or Drury type of player is so tilting.

 

[duhmetreE]

To which team? Teams with cap space have all the leverage and teams without cap space won't want him.

We can buy him out.

Theoretically, a team like OTT would pay the price imo, since he'd be unlikely to sign there.

 

[PANARIN BREAD FAN]

There will be another Meier available next year at this time in all likelihood . I would not mind Konecny from the Flyers...a nasty RW with a scoring touch and 3 years left on his current deal including this one at 5.5. He would fit our window and not break the bank or prospect pool . Fitting in the following two years might be hard without cap going back or out .

isn't konecky considered untouchable by the flyers? i'd trade for that guy without any hesitation.

 

[bhamill]

The point made was, well pointless bc I never said good skaters are good hockey players. In fact I earlier made the exact point that structure in today's games allows braindead players without hockey sense to be in the league if they can skate and listen to instruction, but there are very few players that can be elite while being below average skaters. I stand by that. Laffy has no discernable qualities that will allow him to be an exception to that rule. His IQ is not elite, his play making is not elite, his shot is not elite. These pieces aren't good enough to overshadow skating deficiencies, and not for nothing but if the team that drafted him is concerned about it it's hilarious to read a message board try to pretend it's not an issue. He must improve his skating and leg strength.

This entire conversation is pointless I guess. I made a very simple point. You don’t have to be a better skater than Lafreniere is to be an excellent NHLer. And if being a great skater was the most important essential thing, Gauth would be a star. I’m not sure how that’s problematic. Except it’s a counter to the whole “Laf’s a bust because he doesn’t skate well enough” hot take.

Panarin is when he wants to be and stone is not some elegant skater, but he is just fine, certainly league average and much better than laffy. People seem to be confusing "good skater" with fast skater or pretty skater. There are guys that are fantastic on their edges or strong on their skates that look like a cow on rollerblades. People suggesting draisatil is a bad skater are ridiculous seeing how he keeps on up with the fastest player in the league and skated well enough to dominate the playoffs last year on one good leg.


Long game is to plan to take over a cap disaster in a market that would demand results at that point and stand idly by as the person in the job that you want sets you up for failure when you inevitably take over the job? Woof

Is he NOT GM and President? Seems like a good plan. No one saw COVID coming 5 years ago and every team is either a cap disaster or an on ice disaster.