Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[DanielBrassard]

Goodrow has value. There's less than zero reason to buy him out.

If he does it's minimal, plus with his 15-team no trade and half the league being up against the cap it won't be that easy to find a landing spot.

 

[haohmaru]

If he does it's minimal, plus with his 15-team no trade and half the league being up against the cap it won't be that easy to find a landing spot.

I'll agree to disagree with both of your statements.

 

[LOFIN]

Trochek has 2 years of NMC left on his contract, after this season. We're not that landlocked. Still stinks cap-wise, but not a catastrophe.

I for one, still cannot fathom how this team is willing to give out clauses like that just like it's candy on Halloween.

This is the New York Rangers. I'm pretty sure there's a line of players who dream playing here. Being here should be a privilege, not a right. If it was up to me, no member of this team has any clauses. Top to bottom. I'm pretty sure there will still be plenty of players interested in playing here.

And it should not be too hard of a thing for the organization to implement. Maybe it makes some players wary for a short while. Then it becomes status quo, and people will accept it, and the organization will have a brighter future.

And I'm not even calling for a guy like Panarin, Kreider, Zibanejad, hell even Captain Cone to be traded. But why the f*** does a 2nd line center Trocheck (actually more like a 3rd line C), and a 3rd line winger Goodrow (more like 4th liner) have NMC and M-NTC on their contracts? Like I said, I don't think anyone on this roster should be unmovable. But I can somewhat live with our supposed top players being unmovable. But these fillers, who are not part of the core? Why?

 

[EpicDing]

I for one, still cannot fathom how this team is willing to give out clauses like that just like it's candy on Halloween.

This is the New York Rangers. I'm pretty sure there's a line of players who dream playing here. Being here should be a privilege, not a right. If it was up to me, no member of this team has any clauses. Top to bottom. I'm pretty sure there will still be plenty of players interested in playing here.

And it should not be too hard of a thing for the organization to implement. Maybe it makes some players wary for a short while. Then it becomes status quo, and people will accept it, and the organization will have a brighter future.

And I'm not even calling for a guy like Panarin, Kreider, Zibanejad, hell even Captain Cone to be traded. But why the f*** does a 2nd line center Trocheck (actually more like a 3rd line C), and a 3rd line winger Goodrow (more like 4th liner) have NMC and M-NTC on their contracts? Like I said, I don't think anyone on this roster should be unmovable. But I can somewhat live with our supposed top players being unmovable. But these fillers, who are not part of the core? Why?

Because every team is willing to give them out like candy, and if you want to sign the player you need to include the clause. Do you think the team wants to kneecap their flexibility? They do it for fun?

 

[Atax]

Why do people want Richie? He's awful and slow.

 

[Lion Hound]

Looking back at the biggest trade last summer, how great would it have been to get involved with Florida and Calgary and build a three team trade that wound up with Tkachuk to NYR, Panarin to FLA and Huberdeau to CGY. I wonder if Drury ever considered making that phone call.

Panthers, Tampa, Vegas I would think are the only clubs Panarin would waive for. The Contract is so massive it doesn't work at this point, however, maybe down the road.

Buyers market comment towards the end. Elliotte Friedman refers to Columbus allowing teams to talk to Gavrikov as the sellers fearing the market is not strong. They were talking about Buffalo making a value pickup that sends a message to the players.



$775,000 is the NHL minimum next season

Too many UFA's on non playoff teams. Capped out teams. Solid Draft. I've been thinking buyers market since the 20 game mark.

 

[haohmaru]

I for one, still cannot fathom how this team is willing to give out clauses like that just like it's candy on Halloween.

This is the New York Rangers. I'm pretty sure there's a line of players who dream playing here. Being here should be a privilege, not a right. If it was up to me, no member of this team has any clauses. Top to bottom. I'm pretty sure there will still be plenty of players interested in playing here.

And it should not be too hard of a thing for the organization to implement. Maybe it makes some players wary for a short while. Then it becomes status quo, and people will accept it, and the organization will have a brighter future.

And I'm not even calling for a guy like Panarin, Kreider, Zibanejad, hell even Captain Cone to be traded. But why the f*** does a 2nd line center Trocheck (actually more like a 3rd line C), and a 3rd line winger Goodrow (more like 4th liner) have NMC and M-NTC on their contracts? Like I said, I don't think anyone on this roster should be unmovable. But I can somewhat live with our supposed top players being unmovable. But these fillers, who are not part of the core? Why?

Why? Because it's part of being competitive in the contract market and the Rangers aren't out of sorts with other original six teams that are competing for a Cup and not rebuilding like the Canadiens.

Boston for example:

Pastrnak M-NTC/NMC
Marchand M-NTC
Hall M-NTC/NMC
Coyle M-NTC/NMC
Foligno M-NTC
Bergeron NMC
Krejci NTC
LIndholm NTC NMC
Forbore M-NTC
Ullmark NMC

It's par for the course and part of negotiations for sought after players.

 

[Lion Hound]

I for one, still cannot fathom how this team is willing to give out clauses like that just like it's candy on Halloween.

This is the New York Rangers. I'm pretty sure there's a line of players who dream playing here. Being here should be a privilege, not a right. If it was up to me, no member of this team has any clauses. Top to bottom. I'm pretty sure there will still be plenty of players interested in playing here.

And it should not be too hard of a thing for the organization to implement. Maybe it makes some players wary for a short while. Then it becomes status quo, and people will accept it, and the organization will have a brighter future.

And I'm not even calling for a guy like Panarin, Kreider, Zibanejad, hell even Captain Cone to be traded. But why the f*** does a 2nd line center Trocheck (actually more like a 3rd line C), and a 3rd line winger Goodrow (more like 4th liner) have NMC and M-NTC on their contracts? Like I said, I don't think anyone on this roster should be unmovable. But I can somewhat live with our supposed top players being unmovable. But these fillers, who are not part of the core? Why?

Its leaguewide. If an Agent dosn't build that into a contract the deal likely isn't getting done. Too mcuh power in the players hands now.

 

[RangerBoy]

Ivan Barbashev. Tyler Motte. Nick Ritchie. Adam Erne. Arthur Staple brought up these names in connection with the Rangers. Some size and grit. Play with an edge. They would fit with Trocheck.

Steve likes Barbashev and Erne.

Steve compared Kravtsov to Buchnevich. He needs to bulk up and spend more time in the gym.

 

[bleedblue94]

Lol yes of course he was involved but he is not to blame. You dont even know if he was on board with signing those players. Managers listen to their assistants but dont always go with what they advize. Those signings are not on Drurys head. THey are on JD and Gorton. THey were the ones making the decisions.



EXACTLY THIS.

Nobody knows what Drury was for or against. All we know is that JD and Gorton were manning the helm and they were the ones who signed him. Cant hang drury when he wasnt in charge

Do you think Drury stays for 3 ish years while he's offered other gm jobs elsewhere if his opinions are falling of deaf ears with roster construction and contracts being signed that would impact him when he took the gm job bc there is absolutely no question at all that prior to the Wilson situation gorts was in line for a promotion that would have seen Drury taking over the gm job. It was reported on and alluded to for months that was the direction they were heading. I'm not saying Drury 100 percent endorsed every move gorts made, but he knew the succession plan and he wouldn't be hanging w nyr if he believed the org was going down a bad path while other teams were offering him gm jobs

 

[LOFIN]

Its leaguewide. If an Agent dosn't build that into a contract the deal likely isn't getting done. Too mcuh power in the players hands now.

Until there isn't. Like I said, it might hurt short term, but in the longer run it's healthier for the organization. And for the league, if there's a team that starts a trend. And no team is in a better position to do that than the Rangers.

Not likely to happen with all contracts. But how about just not giving those to frigging replacement level players, which Trocheck and Goodrow are?

 

[bleedblue94]

Draisitl is not a good skater. Nor is Panarin for that matter. Pavelski and Robertson do just fine in Dallas. Kucherov. Ovechkin lost all his steps before he won his cup. Neither of the Tkachuk brothers are good skaters. Mark Stone. Tavares. Elias Petterson. Eberle. Huberdeau. Pasternak.

I don't know if all of these guys are "below average" but certainly none of them are better skaters than Lafreniere.

Every single one of those guys is a league average or better skater. They aren't all great or elite skaters, but they are not below average skaters.

It is also absurd for panarin to be on that list, he is a wonderful skater when he is motivated and moving his feet.

I'm sure his skating will improve, from him getting stronger if no other reason, but its not as bad as some like to say it is. It's good enough to play at this level.
Of course skating is important but it's not the end all be all, see also: Julian Gauthier.

Gauthier is a much better skater than laffy. Not sure why he is even brought up here since he is a better skater but has a 10 cent hockey brain. Completely backwards from laffy

 

[Shesterkybomb]

How is othmann down? And down that much?

He wasn't especially dominant at the world juniors is my guess.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Every single one of those guys is a league average or better skater. They aren't all great or elite skaters, but they are not below average skaters.

It is also absurd for panarin to be on that list, he is a wonderful skater when he is motivated and moving his feet.


Gauthier is a much better skater than laffy. Not sure why he is even brought up here since he is a better skater but has a 10 cent hockey brain. Completely backwards from laffy

Mark Stone is a terrible skater lol.

Panarin isn’t a wonderful skater either. He’s never been one.

 

[bhamill]

We should be looking to force Trouba out the door before Panarin. Plus buying out Goodrow would happen before getting any of the no-moves to waive.

Goodrow‘s hit is “only” 3.6 million and he is tradeable to 16 teams. Why on earth would we buy him out and have part of his cap hit still on the books? At worst you trade him for “future considerations.” His whole cap is gone that way. And we could likely get something for him. He is still a valuable player, even if people here don’t appreciate him.

 

[ponzu4u]

From what I can figure out via Cap Friendly, this season there are currently 80 active contracts with NMCs.

80 divided by 32 = 2.5/team

The Rangers have 6.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Looking back at the biggest trade last summer, how great would it have been to get involved with Florida and Calgary and build a three team trade that wound up with Tkachuk to NYR, Panarin to FLA and Huberdeau to CGY. I wonder if Drury ever considered making that phone call.

Tkachuk has too much emotion, toughness and grit for this team. Would not fit on this emo group of teens

 

[duhmetreE]

This is the question. Is the old Panarin available to return?

Is his scoring just down in an off year or are we beginning to see the deterioration that inevitably comes with age? The playoffs will tell.

Drury was clearly upset with Panarin’s play in the playoffs last year. A great Panarin run and the Rangers definitely go farther. If Drury is that upset again this year, I don’t think Bread will be back.

Sometimes, it’s better to make a move a year early rather than a year late.

Panarin is not waiving until Drury makes it awkward, which I agree, is 100% possible after a similar playoff outing.

Our best hope is for him to be the player we know he could be. We see it in glimpses. He started the first month of the season this way, he fooled me tbh... I thought HARTemi was 'back'.

I honestly do not think it's age related. He's just not moving his legs. Cutting corners. His shot is not where it was. Is he training the same way he was in Columbus and headed into year1 as a Ranger? before realizing what type of lifestyle $81M brings? doubtful.

 

[bhamill]

Do you think Drury stays for 3 ish years while he's offered other gm jobs elsewhere if his opinions are falling of deaf ears with roster construction and contracts being signed that would impact him when he took the gm job bc there is absolutely no question at all that prior to the Wilson situation gorts was in line for a promotion that would have seen Drury taking over the gm job. It was reported on and alluded to for months that was the direction they were heading. I'm not saying Drury 100 percent endorsed every move gorts made, but he knew the succession plan and he wouldn't be hanging w nyr if he believed the org was going down a bad path while other teams were offering him gm jobs

If Drury was told he was next in line for the GM (and Team President) job in NY if he stuck it out here, and learned the organization, then YES, I absolutely think he stays for 3ish years while not being the driving force behind the decisions the current team President and GM are making. Not everyone jumps at the latest shiny thing, some people have long game plans.

Tkachuk has too much emotion, toughness and grit for this team. Would not fit on this emo group of teens

Wait. Emo teens are very emotional… is Tkachuk TOO emo?

 

[duhmetreE]

Part of me honestly thinks that a new coach with a fresh look could get us old Panarin back. He's not motivated with the current regime.

it depends on the coach.

I'd love to see what we'd do with a modern day coach... like a Montgomery or Brunette.

 

[duhmetreE]

Theoretically speaking, how much worse are we with KAM Schneider vs KAM Trouba, next season?

Say we add a Radko Gudas as a 3RD... so.....

FOX - TROUBA - SCHNEIDER $18.5M cap
vs-
FOX - SCHNEIDER - GUDAS $14.5M cap

is that $4M extra space worth it?

 

[Machinehead]

I'm thinking they can probably bring in a few guys who can help them continue to score twice with that extra space who won't turn the puck over every 3 seconds.

$3m of that (on a good day) is gone re-signing Chytil.

You're not bringing in "a few guys" on the remaining $8.6m. What is this, 2012?

You're getting Chytil and one other decent player for what Panarin makes. Two second liners make more than Panarin.

 

[mike14]

From what I can figure out via Cap Friendly, this season there are currently 80 active contracts with NMCs.

80 divided by 32 = 2.5/team

The Rangers have 6.

But in 2 years it'll 3 because most of the current NMC becomes a M-NTC. Panarin (no clauses) and Mika (clauses from 2029) are the only ones that are really NMC
You're better off counting all contracts with trade restrictions for each team as they can change by year, in which case we have 7 which seems to be around the league average (Seattle has 12, Arizona has 1...)

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

$3m of that (on a good day) is gone re-signing Chytil.

You're not bringing in "a few guys" on the remaining $8.6m. What is this, 2012?

You're getting Chytil and one other decent player for what Panarin makes. Two second liners make more than Panarin.

They have more open space than just panarins cap hit.

With our him, they’re at around 27 million IIRC.

 

[bhamill]

Gauthier is a much better skater than laffy. Not sure why he is even brought up here since he is a better skater but has a 10 cent hockey brain. Completely backwards from laffy

Thought it was obvious that he was brought up BECAUSE he’s such a good skater… to illustrate how being a great skater isn’t the end all be all. There are great skaters that are not good hockey players and there are great hockey players that aren’t above average skaters.