Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

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John Davidson swooping in to kneecap the franchise then f***ing off back to CBJ (to do the same exact thing with Gaudreau!!!!) is not the outcome I expected, but it's what happened.

Dont blame the fans and media, the whole point of sports is getting excited about player moves. Its the organizations job to know better and whether it was Dolan, Sather, JD, Gorton or Drury, they f***ed up with the Panarin & Trouba moves. But that is ancient history at this point, so the only direction is forward. We can take solace in the fact that Fox, Miller, Chytil, Kakko, Lindgren, Lafreniere, Schneider look like an exciting young core.

There are moves to be made this year. Get to work Drury.
I’m my opinion this is all on Davidson and unless some insider writes a tell-all book/article to the contrary I will never be convinced otherwise:
May 18th 2019 J.D. is hired as President.

June 17th, 2019 Jacob Trouba is traded to the NY Rangers for Neal Pionk and the 20th overall 2019 pick.

July 1st, 2019 Artemi Panerin signs with the NY Rangers.

Play-In Trade deadline non moves:
Fast
DeAngelo
Kreider
Not being moved by a team that had put out a rebuild letter to it’s fans only two years earlier on February 8th, 2018.
 
I’m my opinion this is all on Davidson and unless some insider writes a tell-all book/article to the contrary I will never be convinced otherwise:
May 18th 2019 J.D. is hired as President.

June 17th, 2019 Jacob Trouba is traded to the NY Rangers for Neal Pionk and the 20th overall 2019 pick.

July 1st, 2019 Artemi Panerin signs with the NY Rangers.

Play-In Trade deadline non moves:
Fast
DeAngelo
Kreider
Not being moved by a team that had put out a rebuild letter to it’s fans only two years earlier on February 8th, 2018.

I have been saying this since he was fired post Wilson incident. Letting Fast walk for nothing, trading assets to get rid of Staal and buying out a franchise legend is not something a rebuilding team does. They left a young team exposed with no leadership or team toughness in a very difficult year mentally for players during covid. I was too young to remember JD as an announcer, but his legacy is derailing the Ranger rebuild. Good luck with the Gaudreau contract BJs fans!
 
A few things:

1. For the most part, the Rangers played a great game last night. I wish the non-Kid Line forwards would create more sustained o-zone pressure.

2. Regardless of effort, that's the kind of game the Rangers find a way to win last year. It's happening for whatever reasons. But we've had more of these moral victory games we used to have under Quinn this year and it's kinda annoying and frustrating. Again, that's completely divorced from the reasons for them.

3. Gonna say this in a whisper, but (Shesty seems to be playing through something. I think it's groin related as he tends to pop out quickly and awkwardly from the splits quite often.) He almost got really injured last night by Kampf who narrowly avoided landing on one of Shesty's legs. That could have been bad.

4. Even in their best games, counting last night, the Rangers go through periods of the game where our veterans get careless with the puck. It's easy to see it with Laffy when he's playing so poorly and everyone's hyper-focused on him. But lax puck management, poor coverage away from the puck, cutting corners -- these are things that have continued to plague the team all season.

5. A lot of people took notice about how brilliant Kakko's shift was leading to the 2nd goal. But there were a few other shifts last night where he had a similar impact. There was another shift when they were trying to protect the lead where Kakko made 3 or 4 plays on the same shift in the D zone and NZ where he broke up passes, won board battles and advanced the puck. He's so damn good at winning the puck at times, that he is like an instant pressure release valve. Kakko, Miller and Fox are easily the top 3 on the team at this. I'm hopeful that Schneider can enter this category one day. But if we're protecting a lead late, you kind want these three guys out there as much as possible.

6. I don't think Gallant is a terrible coach. I think he's a decent to good coach. But I think he says lots of things that piss a lot us off. I don't mind that he shortened the bench in the latter stages of the 3rd period. But I don't love the players and combos he chose.

7. Cuylle. The good news is, he has the straight away speed to play in the NHL. He has the size. And his hands are gonna be fine to good. But yeah it's going to take time. I do think his straight ahead speed is better than Morgan Barron's.
 
I'd be fine with Panarin's lower rate of scoring if it weren't for his insanely lazy turnovers in the neutral zones and around the blue line in the offensive zone.

The coaches should be able to address this, but Panarin makes the same mistakes over and over.
Everything would be fine, really, if our best player wasn't doing a Ryan Spooner imitation for a year plus now.

It's been driving me nuts who he plays like and it hit me this morning: Ryan Spooner.
 
A few things:

1. For the most part, the Rangers played a great game last night. I wish the non-Kid Line forwards would create more sustained o-zone pressure.

2. Regardless of effort, that's the kind of game the Rangers find a way to win last year. It's happening for whatever reasons. But we've had more of these moral victory games we used to have under Quinn this year and it's kinda annoying and frustrating. Again, that's completely divorced from the reasons for them.

3. Gonna say this in a whisper, but (Shesty seems to be playing through something. I think it's groin related as he tends to pop out quickly and awkwardly from the splits quite often.) He almost got really injured last night by Kampf who narrowly avoided landing on one of Shesty's legs. That could have been bad.

4. Even in their best games, counting last night, the Rangers go through periods of the game where our veterans get careless with the puck. It's easy to see it with Laffy when he's playing so poorly and everyone's hyper-focused on him. But lax puck management, poor coverage away from the puck, cutting corners -- these are things that have continued to plague the team all season.

5. A lot of people took notice about how brilliant Kakko's shift was leading to the 2nd goal. But there were a few other shifts last night where he had a similar impact. There was another shift when they were trying to protect the lead where Kakko made 3 or 4 plays on the same shift in the D zone and NZ where he broke up passes, won board battles and advanced the puck. He's so damn good at winning the puck at times, that he is like an instant pressure release valve. Kakko, Miller and Fox are easily the top 3 on the team at this. I'm hopeful that Schneider can enter this category one day. But if we're protecting a lead late, you kind want these three guys out there as much as possible.

6. I don't think Gallant is a terrible coach. I think he's a decent to good coach. But I think he says lots of things that piss a lot us off. I don't mind that he shortened the bench in the latter stages of the 3rd period. But I don't love the players and combos he chose.

7. Cuylle. The good news is, he has the straight away speed to play in the NHL. He has the size. And his hands are gonna be fine to good. But yeah it's going to take time. I do think his straight ahead speed is better than Morgan Barron's.

As usual I agree with almost all of this. Id be harder on Gallant, because it's now 1.5 seasons that he cant get the NMC guys to play smart hockey consistently. As for Igor, I think the newborn is effecting him lol. I have some friends who just had kids and I cant imagine being able to do that and play hockey at a Vezina level. Overall I thought he has been excellent the last couple games against high powered offenses.

Trochek has 2 years of NMC left on his contract, after this season. We're not that landlocked. Still stinks cap-wise, but not a catastrophe.


The fans complaining about the Trocheck contract are really missing the forest for the trees
 
How is this a dumb point? How? Skating has become the single biggest part of the NHL game at this point. It is a necessity. If you can't skate you can't play at this level. Skating has become in many ways more important than hockey sense from the standpoint of just being an average NHL player. Games and team structure is so tactical now that a player with average or weak hockey sense can play in the league if he can skate. Laffy doesn't skate well enough to have his game grow at this level. If his skating improves his game will likely blossom.
I'm sure his skating will improve, from him getting stronger if no other reason, but its not as bad as some like to say it is. It's good enough to play at this level.
Of course skating is important but it's not the end all be all, see also: Julian Gauthier.

FWIW laf’s skating issue is overblown as hell

He doesn’t need to be a f***ing speedster to be successful. And if we are trying to turn him into a net front presence then we are f***ing dumb organization
I wouldn't necessarily buy into that "trying to turn him into a netfront presence" bit. He's always gone to the net and that's just people throwing out theories.
 
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Z > Chytil > Trocheck is great center depth with 3 guys that bring different elements and can slide up and down the lineup. Signing Trocheck was a good decision cause he is the perfect style of player that can play 2nd line, but if a young player, Chytil, grows their game, he can easily play 3rd line center making the team even better.

You guys get upset about weird stuff and are too fickle. Cup contenders on Tuesday and lottery locks on Thursday.
 

In b4 everyone rages.

Hes not gonna dumpster the team to the press after getting a road point. That's basic.

They fired Quinn for that kind of stuff and everyone hated him for dogging the team to the press and not keeping it in house.

This is what you get.
 
I thought we played a good game....changing of the guard is happening..Kam on pp2 and with Fox late in games when trailing..Kids unbelievable with Baby Jagr as the best one. Good needs to center 4th and Kravy with Vinny...TML are gonna fail again in the playoffs..goalie and D are suspect.
 
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They need to be worried about outgoings instead of incomings. This team is going to be stuck in neutral if they can’t move any of the NMCs

Thats a problem for the summer. Cant piss away this season, we are a flawed but formidable team if we can get our shit together. It's on Gallant Panarin and Kreider. Coach. Highest paid player. Franchise legend. Figure it out.
 
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I'm sure his skating will improve, from him getting stronger if no other reason, but its not as bad as some like to say it is. It's good enough to play at this level.
Of course skating is important but it's not the end all be all, see also: Julian Gauthier.
Just something to take note of. It's interesting to see his play the last few games with the kid line. He won a lot of board battles. In part because he was almost never on an island. He could win a battle and chip to KK or Fil and they'd continue to cycle, drive to the net or kick out to the point. They were supporting each other very very well in the O zone. When this happens, all 3 guys look better. They all are becoming very good along the walls. In part because even if one gets beat, there always seems to be a 2nd one entering the picture to disrupt the outlet.

When all 3 forwards are playing the same way, the line just tends to work better.

Laffy has looked slow and unsure of himself for most of the season, as has Kravy at times, because our top veteran players are very mediocre, inconsistent at cycling. Even Zib and Kreider who should be dominant at cycling usually make a high risk, low percentage pass just as they're starting to cycle. It's like they dont' want to pay the price of cycling. They almost always pass themselves out of it and turn it over. And the guy with the puck in the corner is so unpredictable that it's very hard for the Laffy's of the world to know where to be to support the play.

Or when Panarin is out there, there's really no cycling below the hashmarks. It's basically everyone going to the boards all around the offensive zone and it's a lot of cut one way, cut back, rim the puck around to the opposite side, D pinches, keeps play alive, but it hardly ever turns into a dangerous play (FOR US). It's honestly one of the more annoying parts of watching the team play is just how inconsistent the vets are at cycling.

But all this to say, the top 6 vets, not just Panarin, are really hard to play with because they're often too clever by half in many situations where just simplifying would help the entire line be more effective. And as much as I get on Panarin for this, Kreider and Zib, who both have the size and ability to be dominant at this, refuse to utilize this strength. It makes no sense that a guy with Zibby's size scores the majority of his goals on the PP or off of rushes.

All this to say: a lot of what people think about Laffy's game. Or Kravy's. Or Kakko's game before them -- has a LOT to do with the veterans who are very very mediocre at creating offense 5v5. As GG has said, it leads to the kids deferring a lot. But it also leaves them in no man's land on the ice when they don't have the puck.

Laffy looks stronger and faster playing with Fil and Kakko right now for a reason. It's because he isn't having to second guess where he's going. Take for instance, that very subtle, very good play Laffy made on Fil's 2nd goal. Kakko's pass to Laffy was a slow, bloop of a pass in a highly contested part of the ice. Laffy, stopped, stood his ground, and then made a very nifty small pass right back to Kakko. It worked because Laffy knew where Kakko was going to be. It worked because Kakko was close enough to be an easy option. It was a very smart, highly skilled little play by Laffy. The kind of play that routinely leads to dangerous plays in Soccer. A smart one touch pass into space. But it's the kind of play that only works when players are on the same page. He pulls that move with MZ/CK or Bread, it likely just looks like a lazy, poor choice that leads to a turnover.

Sadly, the kids are going to have to develop each other.

And because Panarin can't play with Tro, it also like means Kravy has nowhere in the lineup to go. Ideally I'd put him up with CK/MZ. But then Panarin is back with Tro. I despise the fact that are most expensive players have little flexibility to move around the lineup or make the young players better. It's a fatal flaw.
 
He was AGM and absolutely involved in those decisions.

Lol yes of course he was involved but he is not to blame. You dont even know if he was on board with signing those players. Managers listen to their assistants but dont always go with what they advize. Those signings are not on Drurys head. THey are on JD and Gorton. THey were the ones making the decisions.

For all we know he could have been against doing them.

I think he definitely wasn't in favor of signing Panarin btw. The other 2? I'd guess he was for them.

EXACTLY THIS.

Nobody knows what Drury was for or against. All we know is that JD and Gorton were manning the helm and they were the ones who signed him. Cant hang drury when he wasnt in charge
 
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Went to the Top Prospects game tonight and we NEED to draft Gracyn Sawchyn. Best player on the ice today and he’s not that highly rated, only has 2 pages in his prospects section thread. The next Kravtsov.
So he's the next bust? Tell me about this guy.
 
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A few things:

1. For the most part, the Rangers played a great game last night. I wish the non-Kid Line forwards would create more sustained o-zone pressure.

2. Regardless of effort, that's the kind of game the Rangers find a way to win last year. It's happening for whatever reasons. But we've had more of these moral victory games we used to have under Quinn this year and it's kinda annoying and frustrating. Again, that's completely divorced from the reasons for them.

3. Gonna say this in a whisper, but (Shesty seems to be playing through something. I think it's groin related as he tends to pop out quickly and awkwardly from the splits quite often.) He almost got really injured last night by Kampf who narrowly avoided landing on one of Shesty's legs. That could have been bad.

4. Even in their best games, counting last night, the Rangers go through periods of the game where our veterans get careless with the puck. It's easy to see it with Laffy when he's playing so poorly and everyone's hyper-focused on him. But lax puck management, poor coverage away from the puck, cutting corners -- these are things that have continued to plague the team all season.

5. A lot of people took notice about how brilliant Kakko's shift was leading to the 2nd goal. But there were a few other shifts last night where he had a similar impact. There was another shift when they were trying to protect the lead where Kakko made 3 or 4 plays on the same shift in the D zone and NZ where he broke up passes, won board battles and advanced the puck. He's so damn good at winning the puck at times, that he is like an instant pressure release valve. Kakko, Miller and Fox are easily the top 3 on the team at this. I'm hopeful that Schneider can enter this category one day. But if we're protecting a lead late, you kind want these three guys out there as much as possible.

6. I don't think Gallant is a terrible coach. I think he's a decent to good coach. But I think he says lots of things that piss a lot us off. I don't mind that he shortened the bench in the latter stages of the 3rd period. But I don't love the players and combos he chose.

7. Cuylle. The good news is, he has the straight away speed to play in the NHL. He has the size. And his hands are gonna be fine to good. But yeah it's going to take time. I do think his straight ahead speed is better than Morgan Barron's.
This is a really good post. Well done gravey9
 
I'd be fine with Panarin's lower rate of scoring if it weren't for his insanely lazy turnovers in the neutral zones and around the blue line in the offensive zone.

The coaches should be able to address this, but Panarin makes the same mistakes over and over.

If Panarin wasn't going to be an Ranger, he prob would of been an Islander and this fukers may of win a cup or 2 with him.

Up to each fan to decide if they would be cool with that or not.

Has the Drury video of him being bent posted here? I haven't seen it yet.
 
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Minnesota is in a tough place with the cap for sure. I think that's why so many funny moves.

Trochek lately has definitely left some to be desired. I looked him up on CF though last night, and I honestly thought he was a little higher on his cap hit. We are anticipating a spike in the cap between the '24 and '25 season, right? That '25 season is his last on a NMC but really if he's the 3C at that point, what are we worried about? He should be pretty solid 3C depth for that year and probably another one or two after.
A few things:

1. For the most part, the Rangers played a great game last night. I wish the non-Kid Line forwards would create more sustained o-zone pressure.

2. Regardless of effort, that's the kind of game the Rangers find a way to win last year. It's happening for whatever reasons. But we've had more of these moral victory games we used to have under Quinn this year and it's kinda annoying and frustrating. Again, that's completely divorced from the reasons for them.

3. Gonna say this in a whisper, but (Shesty seems to be playing through something. I think it's groin related as he tends to pop out quickly and awkwardly from the splits quite often.) He almost got really injured last night by Kampf who narrowly avoided landing on one of Shesty's legs. That could have been bad.

4. Even in their best games, counting last night, the Rangers go through periods of the game where our veterans get careless with the puck. It's easy to see it with Laffy when he's playing so poorly and everyone's hyper-focused on him. But lax puck management, poor coverage away from the puck, cutting corners -- these are things that have continued to plague the team all season.

5. A lot of people took notice about how brilliant Kakko's shift was leading to the 2nd goal. But there were a few other shifts last night where he had a similar impact. There was another shift when they were trying to protect the lead where Kakko made 3 or 4 plays on the same shift in the D zone and NZ where he broke up passes, won board battles and advanced the puck. He's so damn good at winning the puck at times, that he is like an instant pressure release valve. Kakko, Miller and Fox are easily the top 3 on the team at this. I'm hopeful that Schneider can enter this category one day. But if we're protecting a lead late, you kind want these three guys out there as much as possible.

6. I don't think Gallant is a terrible coach. I think he's a decent to good coach. But I think he says lots of things that piss a lot us off. I don't mind that he shortened the bench in the latter stages of the 3rd period. But I don't love the players and combos he chose.

7. Cuylle. The good news is, he has the straight away speed to play in the NHL. He has the size. And his hands are gonna be fine to good. But yeah it's going to take time. I do think his straight ahead speed is better than Morgan Barron's.
Overall great post.

Bolded 5 because I wanted to point out, I feel like he's been doing this for a while now. I know some people here have noticed it, he has been a beast at the defensive side of the puck for a while. The last handful of weeks you are starting to see him play with confidence.

He's also growing into his body I feel like. He may have been NHL-ready physically when drafted, but he seems to be getting way more adjusted to this level of play and training to that point. He seems to really be coming together. I think people that see a wasted pick are crazy.
 
Where did I say he has to get faster? Being a better skater does not mean faster...

And outside of ror who in the league is a great player that is a below average skater over the past 5 years? That list is slim. Laffy is currently a below NHL average skater...
Draisitl is not a good skater. Nor is Panarin for that matter. Pavelski and Robertson do just fine in Dallas. Kucherov. Ovechkin lost all his steps before he won his cup. Neither of the Tkachuk brothers are good skaters. Mark Stone. Tavares. Elias Petterson. Eberle. Huberdeau. Pasternak.

I don't know if all of these guys are "below average" but certainly none of them are better skaters than Lafreniere.
 
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