Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[NYR2007]

I can’t believe we are talking about this Buch trade again.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I can’t believe we are talking about this Buch trade again.

Dont worry people also still wanna re-litigate the McD trade. Noticably no one wants to discuss the Nash trade.

 

[Avery16]

I can’t believe we are talking about this Buch trade again.

 

[McRanger92]

Fun fact. Lafreniere and Kakko are both top 120 in even strength scoring for forwards.

32 teams x top 6 = 192 forwards

What is top 6 level production when you get no PP time? 9 points and 8 points sure seems like it.

Including all points, Lafreniere is t165 and Kakko is t194.

These are completely arbitrary stats. They are playing well enough consistently, I really don’t care if the are 165 & 194 in scoring, it’s not making the good point you think it is.

Great game by them both last night though, keep it up

 

[Savant]

I can’t believe we are talking about this Buch trade again.

Buch trade is fair game to talk about. With Drury and Blais still on the books it’s absolutely fair to talk about

Dont worry people also still wanna re-litigate the McD trade. Noticably no one wants to discuss the Nash trade.

To me, there is no reason to discuss either of these anymore. But trades are fair game if the same player/pieces AND same GM are still here. I’m surprised more people don’t talk about the Nils trade

 

[bhamill]

Buch trade is fair game to talk about. With Drury and Blais still on the books it’s absolutely fair to talk about

To me, there is no reason to discuss either of these anymore. But trades are fair game if the same player/pieces AND same GM are still here. I’m surprised more people don’t talk about the Nils trade

Yeah, I mean at least the Nils trade wasn’t two off seasons ago…
But Nils isnt exactly tearing things up (he’s been fine just not great), so there‘s not much for the doomsayers to bitch about. Hahaha. Until we use those picks on players that Are NOT the prospects these posters prefer. Hahaha.

 

[Savant]

Yeah, I mean at least the Nils trade wasn’t two off seasons ago…
But Nils isnt exactly tearing things up (he’s been fine just not great), so there‘s not much for the doomsayers to bitch about. Hahaha. Until we use those picks on players that Are NOT the prospects these posters prefer. Hahaha.

yeah, but the people complaining at the Buch trade being brought up need to look in the mirror. And the fact that Drury doubled down on his mistake by keeping Blais instead of Motte doesn’t help how this trade is aging either. Just more proof that he took a bad trade for Buch because he was in love with for some reason. Can’t have blinders on for a guy like Blais

 

[Shesterkybomb]

How about not even saying the 'biggest kid', just 'a kid'. Who else on this team is willing to step in for a teammate regularly? Schneider and Goodrow have done it before. Kreider maybe when the mood suits him. Trouba will defend himself.

If the plan is to jettison Reaves, grabbing someone else, such as, gulp here comes @Ola, perhaps Boko Imama to shuttle between the AHL and NHL might not be a bad idea. I'd love to find a younger, hungrier guy who didn't mind getting his nose dirty and could play a regular shift but they're hard to find

We've been down this road before, if you don't have a big dog you got a bunch of puppies going around nobody cares about. The islanders will eat us alive if we dont have someone to step up, Tom Wilson will be laughing at our bench again. It can't be a top 4 dman every time in Trouba, one of these times he's gonna break something or get hurt another way. The dman the Habs have would be ideal, i dont see them letting him go though.

 

[bhamill]

yeah, but the people complaining at the Buch trade being brought up need to look in the mirror. And the fact that Drury doubled down on his mistake by keeping Blais instead of Motte doesn’t help how this trade is aging either. Just more proof that he took a bad trade for Buch because he was in love with for some reason. Can’t have blinders on for a guy like Blais

While I think people should talk about what they want to, I also understand other people getting completely bored by the same complaint over and over ad nauseum for better than a year now. Especially when it’s a “what’s done is done” type of thing.
As far as Motte, I like him. I like Blais better for this team. He hits like it’s actually his job, and his hitting also allows us to sit Reaves. I also don’t think Motte would have 7 points here on the 4th line, and that’s the spot we are talking about. I also remember the talk being that Motte wanted 2m or so from us, and wound up settling for about 1.35 after we were already set. I think if (and it’s a big if) Blais can round into shape after the major knee injury and stay healthy he’s a far better player as far as this team’s needs. I don’t need you to agree and I’m not saying your opinion is any less valid, just offering mine.

 

[Savant]

While I think people should talk about what they want to, I also understand other people getting completely bored by the same complaint over and over ad nauseum for better than a year now. Especially when it’s a “what’s done is done” type of thing.
As far as Motte, I like him. I like Blais better for this team. He hits like it’s actually his job, and his hitting also allows us to sit Reaves. I also don’t think Motte would have 7 points here on the 4th line, and that’s the spot we are talking about. I also remember the talk being that Motte wanted 2m or so from us, and wound up settling for about 1.35 after we were already set. I think if (and it’s a big if) Blais can round into shape after the major knee injury and stay healthy he’s a far better player as far as this team’s needs. I don’t need you to agree and I’m not saying your opinion is any less valid, just offering mine.

I think you are just missing the point.

Motte was obviously a great fit here, (and there’s no use crying over spilled apple juice), Blais did not prove he was a great fit here. If we were going to sign one player between those two, they should have signed Motte; who did everything that Blair was supposed to do. Rather than roll the dice after Blais after major injury.

Let’s put it another way. Do you think the Rangers would have gone out of their way to re-sign Blais, if he wasn’t in that trade? I doubt it. This is a better team minus Blais and keeping Motte. At the minimum, and timing may have been a consideration here, you get the Motte deal done first and deal with Blais later

 

[Avery16]

Buch trade is fair game to talk about. With Drury and Blais still on the books it’s absolutely fair to talk about

Not to mention our current glaring need for a top-six RW finisher with grit.

 

[bhamill]

I think you are just missing the point.

Motte was obviously a great fit here, (and there’s no use crying over spilled apple juice), Blais did not prove he was a great fit here. If we were going to sign one player between those two, they should have signed Motte; who did everything that Blair was supposed to do. Rather than roll the dice after Blais after major injury.

Let’s put it another way. Do you think the Rangers would have gone out of their way to re-sign Blais, if he wasn’t in that trade? I doubt it. This is a better team minus Blais and keeping Motte. At the minimum, and timing may have been a consideration here, you get the Motte deal done first and deal with Blais later

We can agree to disagree. I do not believe they are a better team with Motte than Blais currently, and I think Blais could be more important going forward as well. When he was acquired Motte’s penalty killing was a big plus it gave him more value on this team. That’s not as needed in this lineup.
As far as management’s motivation in signing Blais… you could be right. It’s human nature, no? But that isn’t mutually exclusive with them also still believing he has the worth and upside they saw when they traded for him.
You and I obviously see Blais differently. That’s fine. But just as you think management had other motive to resign Blais, I think MANY on here, not necessarily you though, view Blais through the lens of how he was acquired and that takes away their impartiality. There is a heavy bias. I’d say more so than that of management. They loved Buch and Blais will never live up to that. And that’s part of what makes the whole thing boring to some of us.
Personally when someone brings up the Buch trade I just skim down to see if there’s anything in their post that is interesting or relevant at this point. But that’s me.

 

[Avery16]

I’m surprised more people don’t talk about the Nils trade

Yes, that and Nemeth.

 

[bhamill]

Yes, that and Nemeth.

I think people were just so glad to ditch Nemeth. Hahaha.

 

[bl02]

I know the 4th line was decent last night (I would say our best line in the first especially Gauthier) but how about letting Kravtsov get in for Goodrow at RW2 and letting Carpenter sit out?! Tonight would be good night for that.

 

[Savant]

We can agree to disagree. I do not believe they are a better team with Motte than Blais currently, and I think Blais could be more important going forward as well. When he was acquired Motte’s penalty killing was a big plus it gave him more value on this team. That’s not as needed in this lineup.
As far as management’s motivation in signing Blais… you could be right. It’s human nature, no? But that isn’t mutually exclusive with them also still believing he has the worth and upside they saw when they traded for him.
You and I obviously see Blais differently. That’s fine. But just as you think management had other motive to resign Blais, I think MANY on here, not necessarily you though, view Blais through the lens of how he was acquired and that takes away their impartiality. There is a heavy bias. I’d say more so than that of management. They loved Buch and Blais will never live up to that. And that’s part of what makes the whole thing boring to some of us.
Personally when someone brings up the Buch trade I just skim down to see if there’s anything in their post that is interesting or relevant at this point. But that’s me.

The Rangers sample size with Motte (and what Motte is doing this year) is better than the Rangers sample size with Blais. Period.

Motte’s speed is sorely missed too. Everyone complains the team is too slow. Guess who isn’t slow?

Human nature or not, it’s doubling down on a mistake. At the minimum there was no reason to prioritize signing him. Just like there was no reason to bid against themselves for Nemeth and Reaves. Blais is Crocked. He looks like he is still rehabilitating a major injury. That’s not a priority signing. It was a bad trade and then they doubled down on the mistake. Rangers have very limited cap and they spent it on an injured player. It’s a bad move

Not to mention our current glaring need for a top-six RW finisher with grit.

I’m not going to say Kakko and Kravtsov are busts, but in terms of being able to replace Buch as planned (which there was some logic to)….the evidence is not there

Yes, that and Nemeth.

Terrible signing, and unfortunate trade. A lot of the cap dump trades are dumb. I still think giving Detroit a pick for Marc Staal was dumb

 

[bhamill]

The Rangers sample size with Motte (and what Motte is doing this year) is better than the Rangers sample size with Blais. Period.

Motte’s speed is sorely missed too. Everyone complains the team is too slow. Guess who isn’t slow?

Human nature or not, it’s doubling down on a mistake. At the minimum there was no reason to prioritize signing him. Just like there was no reason to bid against themselves for Nemeth and Reaves. Blais is Crocked. He looks like he is still rehabilitating a major injury. That’s not a priority signing. It was a bad trade and then they doubled down on the mistake. Rangers have very limited cap and they spent it on an injured player. It’s a bad move


I’m not going to say Kakko and Kravtsov are busts, but in terms of being able to replace Buch as planned (which there was some logic to)….the evidence is not there


Terrible signing, and unfortunate trade. A lot of the cap dump trades are dumb. I still think giving Detroit a pick for Marc Staal was dumb

Doubling down on a mistake IN YOUR OPINION. Not in all. Viewed as an asset separate from the trade I prefer Blais over Motte. It’s that simple. I’m not sure why that is so hard to accept. Hahaha. Motte is quick, he’s nothing special. I still do like him, but he is what he is, a finished product and not that hard to come by. I think Blais could be a far more unique and valuable player. And of course I could always end up being wrong. But so could you. It just two subjective views at odds and that’s fine. It doesn’t make the Buch trade rehashing any less boring. For some of us.

 

[Savant]

Doubling down on a mistake IN YOUR OPINION. Not in all. Viewed as an asset separate from the trade I prefer Blais over Motte. It’s that simple. I’m not sure why that is so hard to accept. Hahaha. Motte is quick, he’s nothing special. I still do like him, but he is what he is, a finished product and not that hard to come by. I think Blais could be a far more unique and valuable player. And of course I could always end up being wrong. But so could you. It just two subjective views at odds and that’s fine. It doesn’t make the Buch trade rehashing any less boring. For some of us.

If you agree that Blais was only a priority resigning because of “ human nature” because he was a part of the trade, then you are acknowledging that this is doubling down on a mistake. Blais at 100% might have an argument over Motte, but he is clearly not 100%

 

[Avery16]

Blais has attained mythic status on this thread.

 

[Tob]

Can one of you knuckleheads post horvats WAR or whatever chart that shows his defensive game? I don't think he's a defensive center but people seem to think he's Bergeron 2.0 because he's elite on faceoffs. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't get how he's a bonafide 2 way C.

 

[SA16]

Can one of you knuckleheads post horvats WAR or whatever chart that shows his defensive game? I don't think he's a defensive center but people seem to think he's Bergeron 2.0 because he's elite on faceoffs. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't get how he's a bonafide 2 way C.

Horvat is not good defensively or a good 5v5 scorer.

 

[Synergy27]

Doubling down on a mistake IN YOUR OPINION. Not in all. Viewed as an asset separate from the trade I prefer Blais over Motte. It’s that simple. I’m not sure why that is so hard to accept. Hahaha. Motte is quick, he’s nothing special. I still do like him, but he is what he is, a finished product and not that hard to come by. I think Blais could be a far more unique and valuable player. And of course I could always end up being wrong. But so could you. It just two subjective views at odds and that’s fine. It doesn’t make the Buch trade rehashing any less boring. For some of us.

I’m not sure how anyone can prefer Blais to Motte honestly. One is clearly good in his role. One is always injured and only potentially good in his role.

 

[Larrybiv]

Even if this team wanted to do a shakeup trade they can’t. Basically the Rangers are gonna have to sort this shit out themselves and I don’t know if they can unless they adapt and actually play a certain way.

A certain way? Like doing anything & everything and whatever it takes to win a game? Like refusing to lose? Like getting a little puck luck? Like stop hitting posts and crossbars?
I'm sure they are at the beginning stages of looking at themselves in the mirror. All they have to do is look across the river and realize the Devils are doing what THEY should be doing.
If they think they will just "turn on a switch" come PO time, they are sadly mistaken. No time to panic, but right now they should be embarrassed.

 

[Avery16]

I’m not sure how anyone can prefer Blais to Motte honestly. One is clearly good in his role. One is always injured and only potentially good in his role.

Neither did enough to warrant their current contracts. @Savant is right about the sunk cost mistake we made with Blais. Wouldn’t be the first time in recent history. At least we didn’t repeat that mistake with the deadline acquisitions (another gripe altogether).

 

[TominNC]

Buch trade is fair game to talk about. With Drury and Blais still on the books it’s absolutely fair to talk about

To me, there is no reason to discuss either of these anymore. But trades are fair game if the same player/pieces AND same GM are still here. I’m surprised more people don’t talk about the Nils trade

Nah, at some point it's beating a dead horse. We all know it would be better to have Buch than Blais. But there were reasons. It's over. Nothing can change it. Move on. All GMs make good trades and bad trades.