Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

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My point is if you are trading a 1st, would we be better off getting a top 6 forward and let the depth push those two out instead? There is no arguing those two would be a huge upgrade but we're still dressing Jimmy Vesey in the top 9. Gallant needs to keep giving Kravtsov big ice time and hope he develops into something this season for us to have any type of threat from the RW. Those two would have to be able to make a serious impact for me to be ok trading a 1st. Not saying I wouldn't do it, just that I'm very skeptical that is the right path.

From last year to this year
OUT: Strome, Copp, Vatrano, Rooney, Reaves, Braun
IN: Trochek, Kravtsov, Vesey, Brodzinski?, Gauthier?, Harpur?

With the trade, you'd get something like
Panarin-Zibs-Kravtsov
Lafs-Chytil-Kakko
Kreider-Trochek-Vesey
Goodrow-Acciari-Barbashev

Which is totally better no doubt but is it gonna take up deep? 3rd LD is still an issue. while Vesey is far from our worst player, he's also far from an adequate 3rd line RW. One thing I just thought of now though is if Othmann can step up and have himself a Kreideresque playoff debut. If kid-line can kid-line in the playoffs again. And Kravy develops... it is A LOT of IFs but could work.

Barbashev is not a 4th liner. Barbashev Goodrow would 3rd 4th line.



Panarin Mika Kravtsov
Laf Chytil Kakko
Kreider Trocheck Barbashev
Vesey Goodrow Acciari

upgrade from Brodzinski Gauthier Blais. Barb also plays both PK and PP. Complete player. also takes important faceoffs like Goodrow. Good problem to have. Good underrated player worth it.
 
It’s pretty disappointing the rangers couldn’t spend at least one of the Quinn years focused completely on development. Would have made a big difference I think. But we know how the rangers are managed.
I was screaming from the rooftops for this to happen. Prioritizing ice time for Colin Blackwell may have legitimately set this team back multiple years.
 
I was screaming from the rooftops for this to happen. Prioritizing ice time for Colin Blackwell may have legitimately set this team back multiple years.
Is prioritizing a fancy word for 'using the best option'? Blame the people who couldn't convince/didn't want Fast anymore.
 
Guys want to play on Laf's line as much as the Jets want to play with Zach behind center. They just don't get cised. It's about the team, not the individual. Multiple years setbacks, lol. If 110 points and an ECF is a setback then we may just be on the precipice of transformative excellence. Holy S. Get cised to stay cised.
 
"Juraj Slafkovsky should be at the WJC"

"Up until this point of the season the Canadiens were entertaining, they were fun even when they were losing...they've become boring to watch again"

"Marty has done everything he can besides put on his equipment and going out there himself to get Joel Armia to score...seeing him on the first line again tonight I'm just like, he is who he is, just give up on him."


Conclusion: Man, I'm so jelly of the great hockey city up North that is embarking on DA REBUILD with that developmental focused MSL at the helm playing their #1 pick limited minutes and their 4th liner type on their 1st line.

Oh, and I'm only 5 minutes into this 80 minute show. God bless Marinaro. They can barely contain how cised they are. They want no part of our situation.

More:

"The PP is pathetic, they never shoot the puck. It sucks the confidence out of the team"

"The coaching staff is too inexperienced"
 
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Barbashev is not a 4th liner. Barbashev Goodrow would 3rd 4th line.



Panarin Mika Kravtsov
Laf Chytil Kakko
Kreider Trocheck Barbashev
Vesey Goodrow Acciari

upgrade from Brodzinski Gauthier Blais. Barb also plays both PK and PP. Complete player. also takes important faceoffs like Goodrow. Good problem to have. Good underrated player worth it.
OK. I can see that configuration working better. I would adjust to Goodrow-Acciari-Vesey. Acciair is 54% on faceoffs to Goodrows 46%. Next question is can we get those two cheaper? At the very least turn that 1st into a conditional 1st.
 
2 years ago kreider and a first could have gotten us robertson

Now our first first gets….(checks notes) barbashev…..yikes that’s underwhelming to say the least
You mean the return goes down when you take out the 50 goal scorer and you mean that Robertson's value is different now than 2 years ago? Gonna ponder that.
 
You mean the return goes down when you take out the 50 goal scorer and you mean that Robertson's value is different now than 2 years ago? Gonna ponder that.
Well kreider wasn’t a 50 goal scorer and Robertson wasn’t what he was

So yeah our first round pick should bring back a better player then barbashev who at 27 has a whopping 5 goals this year….I’d much rather use that first as part of a bigger deal to get timo Meier or hell patty kane
 
Well kreider wasn’t a 50 goal scorer and Robertson wasn’t what he was

So yeah our first round pick should bring back a better player then barbashev who at 27 has a whopping 5 goals this year….I’d much rather use that first as part of a bigger deal to get timo Meier or hell patty kane
Had we known we would win the lottery, I wonder if Kreider gets re-signed. At first I was going to say then they obviously won't re-sign him, but then again they went and got Panarin and Trouba after just committing to a rebuild and drafting Kakko so who the f*** knows. Maybe they would've gone with Buch instead.
 
I just watched the full 7 min Gallant video. I've probably seen 99% of them since he became our coach but I was reluctant to watch this one. That was in the top handful of his best. His messaging was perfect. Bodybagging Vince at the end was the icing on the cake. The backlash is truly insane.
 
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OK. I can see that configuration working better. I would adjust to Goodrow-Acciari-Vesey. Acciair is 54% on faceoffs to Goodrows 46%. Next question is can we get those two cheaper? At the very least turn that 1st into a conditional 1st.
Maybe but Barbashev has high value. I hope the Rangers are interested in him especially since I feel he is such a smart player that he would fit on this team so well.
 
Fans: Owner is the problem hiring win now coaches.

Also fans: Barry Trotz is right there!

Edit: P.S. Gallant was our top choice!!!
Yeah, I’m still stuck on GGs comment earlier about not being here to develop. Your comment was frankly marginally annoying as it is revisionist history. My far bigger gripe is with the org. the problem is we were all sold a rebuild. We suffered through years of terrible hockey and trading away fan favorites and our captain all in the name of doing it right. Now we’re gonna sacrifice it all because the owner needs to make the playoffs this season? Or every season?

If Gallant wasn’t brought here to develop in addition to win, then we have all been had. Not just me, you too and everyone else reading this.

As a helpful reminder, Gallant was sold as a coach who could win but who also developed Barkov and Huberdeau. And getting the most out of players. Or certainly more than DQ. That WAS the sell.

But I suppose our young promising careers aren’t the ones actually in the balance here with that comment. We’re just the people who support the owner by continually following the team. I know this is super harsh, and I’m sure to some it’s unhinged. But for real, I’m pissed off. Not at you. At the team I’ve followed for 40 years.

if Gallant didn’t sign up for the job knowing he had multiple 19 and 20 year olds whose development the organization’s future hinged on then what did he sign up for? And what did Drury and Dolan tell him? Because we all got that letter. And we all heard Drury say in his intro press conference the rebuild was still on track. So either Gallant has gone off script or we are all being played. What is it?

Because you don’t bring in a coach who is only here to win games if you’re committed to your rebuild and your #1 and #2 picks who were only in years 2 and 3 when Gallant was brought in.

Something is off here. Dru and crew need to address it or GG does and fast.

And as opposed to many of us sensing it with lineups and things like the benching of Kakko in game 6, GG just came right out and said it.

He. said. it.

That comment should be viewed as a real low point. Maybe even a turning point. It put all of our young players on notice that they better figure out how to become offensive stars on 12 min of TOI a night and no special teams and getting bounced around and scratched.

If I’m Laffy or his agent I’m taking note and I’m maybe starting contingency plans if I feel like my career is not being prioritized enough by the team. That’s millions of dollars at stake. I bet he can’t wait to be lowballed on a bridge deal after that impatient comment.

Likewise those same convos are happening with agents for Kravtsov and Jones and Robertson and lord knows who else. If you’re a fan of this team and you’re ok with that comment or dismiss it, I don’t know what to say. Because you’re saying you’re ok with suffering through a rebuild only to let it suffocate before it properly matures. And for the record, it has most certainly NOT matured yet. And for what? betting on a highly questionable vet core? And an overpay on a splashy deadline rental?

That is NOT a team one should be okay investing their time, hard earned money and heart into following. That is tantamount to a con job. It’s Lucy pulling away the football yet again.

But back to your point, what were you saying about Barry Trotz?
 
Yeah, I’m still stuck on GGs comment earlier about not being here to develop. Your comment was frankly marginally annoying as it is revisionist history. My far bigger gripe is with the org. the problem is we were all sold a rebuild. We suffered through years of terrible hockey and trading away fan favorites and our captain all in the name of doing it right. Now we’re gonna sacrifice it all because the owner needs to make the playoffs this season? Or every season?

If Gallant wasn’t brought here to develop in addition to win, then we have all been had. Not just me, you too and everyone else reading this.

As a helpful reminder, Gallant was sold as a coach who could win but who also developed Barkov and Huberdeau. And getting the most out of players. Or certainly more than DQ. That WAS the sell.

But I suppose our young promising careers aren’t the ones actually in the balance here with that comment. We’re just the people who support the owner by continually following the team. I know this is super harsh, and I’m sure to some it’s unhinged. But for real, I’m pissed off. Not at you. At the team I’ve followed for 40 years.

if Gallant didn’t sign up for the job knowing he had multiple 19 and 20 year olds whose development the organization’s future hinged on then what did he sign up for? And what did Drury and Dolan tell him? Because we all got that letter. And we all heard Drury say in his intro press conference the rebuild was still on track. So either Gallant has gone off script or we are all being played. What is it?

Because you don’t bring in a coach who is only here to win games if you’re committed to your rebuild and your #1 and #2 picks who were only in years 2 and 3 when Gallant was brought in.

Something is off here. Dru and crew need to address it or GG does and fast.

And as opposed to many of us sensing it with lineups and things like the benching of Kakko in game 6, GG just came right out and said it.

He. said. it.

That comment should be viewed as a real low point. Maybe even a turning point. It put all of our young players on notice that they better figure out how to become offensive stars on 12 min of TOI a night and no special teams and getting bounced around and scratched.

If I’m Laffy or his agent I’m taking note and I’m maybe starting contingency plans if I feel like my career is not being prioritized enough by the team. That’s millions of dollars at stake. I bet he can’t wait to be lowballed on a bridge deal after that impatient comment.

Likewise those same convos are happening with agents for Kravtsov and Jones and Robertson and lord knows who else. If you’re a fan of this team and you’re ok with that comment or dismiss it, I don’t know what to say. Because you’re saying you’re ok with suffering through a rebuild only to let it suffocate before it properly matures. And for the record, it has most certainly NOT matured yet. And for what? betting on a highly questionable vet core? And an overpay on a splashy deadline rental?

That is NOT a team one should be okay investing their time, hard earned money and heart into following. That is tantamount to a con job. It’s Lucy pulling away the football yet again.

But back to your point, what were you saying about Barry Trotz?
I couldn't have said it better. The "rebuild" was over the minute it was known that Panny wanted out of Columbus. Everyone knew Dolan wouldn't be able to resist a "shiny new toy." I said at the time it was the right decision (for once we finally obtained an elite player BEFORE he was over the hill), but it was at the wrong time. He is not the type of player you bring in once you've started a rebuild.
 
The thing is, they could have used one or two of the Quinn years for development. They did it for K Miller. But they really didn’t give the forwards much rope. I suppose they expected to start off the kids with quite tenable defensive responsibilities and hoped the offense would naturally evolve.
But really, I think the takeaway is that developing offense requires rope and tolerating mistakes. The rangers turned a couple of exceptional offensive talents into checkers.
I still think the offense will eventually come but who knows when. We see flashes with Kakko after three years and Chytil took like four or five to be somewhat of a factor. Laf seems to be a bit of a basket case.
 
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I think everyone here is reading too much into Gallant's quotes. He has literally admitted during the press conferences he reads Larry/Mollie/Vince. He was in a bad mood and clearly those quotes are to troll the "smarks" or smart internet fans, grow outrage, and make himself the villain and protect his players. Gallant considers Mollie and Vince part of the smart internet fans.

He's done this before.

Laf will not be on the fourth line by next week and everyone will move onto bashing something else. That's how this fanbase mostly works. That's how most NHL fanbases work.

In fairness, Laf's been the least consistent of the Kid Line this season. It's a growing up thing as he's still really young. We see it with Chytil and Kaako how they're progressing a little more each game.

And to the poster who was talking about the Pack Line success vs. the Kid Line success and how age/maturity doesn't matter: the first year those guys were together was 2010-11 where Cally was 25, Dubi was 24, and Anisimov was 22. Cally's 29 goal season came when he was mostly 26 and turned 27.

For perspective, Laffy hit 19 last year and he was much younger.

This isn't EA Sports where you control every player and can figure out tricks for them to get 15 shots a game.
 
I like the additude Gallant is giving. Honestly, he is playing the cards he is given. Even us regular folks get hired to specific job role and for Gallant the role is to coach this team to win. Laf got some points yes, but he is always the weakest link on whatever line he is playing on. He has flashed some nice plays but you can see that he got the confidence of a 13-year boy going on his first date. Wouldn't even mind sending him down for a extended period to work on his game, especially off the puck.
 
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The worse young player plays - the bigger role said player is advocated for around here. Nuts…
it's not nuts. even if I disagree with it, I very much understand the logic that we are trying anything to salvage the only two forwards worth a f*** from our ""rebuild"" that is already belly flopping with the hard declines of Panarin and Zibanejad at ES. We desperately, desperately need these two to be good. We are utterly f***ed if they're not. I think it's more than fair to not give a shit about appeasing vets that got retirement contracts from this team or cheap 3rd line vets over literally the future. Again I DO NOT agree that just getting them more time will fix it, but this organization is staring a major major problem in the face and seems completely unconcerned about it.

The declines of Panarin and Zibanejad, especially at ES, are already happening. It's not going to get better. They are locked in on unmovable retirement contracts. If you can't even somewhat understand the desperation, I think you need to think more critically about how this team handled things.
 
it's not nuts. even if I disagree with it, I very much understand the logic that we are trying anything to salvage the only two forwards worth a f*** from our ""rebuild"" that is already belly flopping with the hard declines of Panarin and Zibanejad at ES. We desperately, desperately need these two to be good. We are utterly f***ed if they're not. I think it's more than fair to not give a shit about appeasing vets that got retirement contracts from this team or cheap 3rd line vets over literally the future. Again I DO NOT agree that just getting them more time will fix it, but this organization is staring a major major problem in the face and seems completely unconcerned about it.

The declines of Panarin and Zibanejad, especially at ES, are already happening. It's not going to get better. They are locked in on unmovable retirement contracts. If you can't even somewhat understand the desperation, I think you need to think more critically about how this team handled things.
This makes too much sense. Excellent post btw :thumbu::thumbu:
 
It's ahistorical to say the Panarin signing single handedly ended the rebuild.

What really, truly ended the rebuild was Fox waltzing onto the ice a Norris level defenseman, Tony DeAngelo becoming a 50 point D over night, Shesterkin busting onto the scene 10-2 and looking every bit the part of his pedigree, Lindgren also waltzing onto the ice a top 4 D, and a year of high flying offense from one of the best top 6s in hockey that year. Think of what an unbelievable injection of talent that was in addition to what looked like the best prospect pool in hockey. The mainboards was flooded with threads about how well the Rangers handled this.

I am not arguing they handled this well but hurdurrr Dolan shiny toyz is ridiculously over simplified. If an out-of-the-box norris and vezina winner fell into your lap, there's no f***ing way you'd have "stayed the course".
 
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