Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[Rangers in 7]

 

[huerter]

This fan base has been infected by Davidson and Michelletti, out to lunch beat writers, and donk internet presences. It’s gonna take a couple generations to flush it out.

 

[LOFIN]

Don't like this at all. The fact is, it's pretty damn hard to win in this league unless you have home-grown talent on cheap contracts. Last playoffs, the kids were contributing, and if we want to win we need them to contribute. It's Gallants job to develop them in a way they will contribute.

And if guys like Panarin and Mika were having monster seasons, it would be easier to accept all of this. But they have been playing like shit as well for the most part. PP keeps their scoring to respectable numbers, but their even strength production leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[smoneil]

Acting like all coaches do this is cope. Gallant is exceptionally dumb.

I’d love to see Gallant try and win games with the kind of injuries Washington has . This team falls apart when Lindgren or Chytil miss half a game, imagine if the big guns went out for an extended period of time like a lot of teams are dealing with. The last 2 seasons the Rangers have been really lucky with injuries.

I feel like if Bread, Fox, Zib, Kreider, Trouba, and Trocheck all got hurt at the same time, GG would still play PP1 at least 1:40 of every power play, but PP1 would be Blais, Goodrow, Vesey, Lindgren, and Halak (as a skater) before he would put any of Miller, Chytil, Laf, or Kakko on the first unit.

 

[Do you want ants]

Quinn was brought in to the development coach. GG was brought in to help us take the next step. Don’t see why several people have an issue with his comments. He’s here to win first and develop second, even if we disagree with it.

Also, all 4 of the teams that made the conference finals are barely in a playoff spot currently. We’re not some aberration.

 

[huerter]

Quinn was brought in to the development coach. GG was brought in to help us take the next step. Don’t see why several people have an issue with his comments. He’s here to win first and develop second, even if we disagree with it.

Also, all 4 of the teams that made the conference finals are barely in a playoff spot currently. We’re not some aberration.

Yes to everything but also 25+ out of the 32 current coaches have a win first mandate.

 

[LOFIN]

Quinn was brought in to the development coach. GG was brought in to help us take the next step. Don’t see why several people have an issue with his comments. He’s here to win first and develop second, even if we disagree with it.

Also, all 4 of the teams that made the conference finals are barely in a playoff spot currently. We’re not some aberration.

Ideally, you want to look like a serious contender and have the kids develop to great players at the same time. But I think the vast majority on this Rangers board would be fine with one of those things. Either that the kids thrive under opportunity, or they play a lesser supporting role on a great team. At this point, the Rangers are neither, and that's the issue. Even when we were on that run before the break, guys like Zib and Kreider still played poorly 5v5.

So Gallant, you have two jobs. At least figure out one of them.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Quinn was brought in to the development coach. GG was brought in to help us take the next step. Don’t see why several people have an issue with his comments. He’s here to win first and develop second, even if we disagree with it.

Also, all 4 of the teams that made the conference finals are barely in a playoff spot currently. We’re not some aberration.

Good teams can do both at the same time.

Rangers used to do this during the Staal Dubinsky Anismov Callahan days. They had Shanahan Avery Jagr Straka and other skilled vets. We gave the kids ice time to produce. They had good years as Rangers players. Not superstar but noticeable players that gave a shit.

Lafy can only dream of 24 goals 50 points 100 PIM what Dubinsky had here, and can dream of Callahan’s 29 goals and 54 ppints and 61 PIM.. He does not have that potential. Personally I see a 30- 40 point player at most, that draws penalties due to his average skating.

 

[Do you want ants]

Good teams can do both at the same time.

Rangers used to do this during the Staal Dubinsky Anismov Callahan days. They had Shanahan Avery Jagr Straka and other skilled vets. We gave the kids ice time to produce. They had good years as Rangers players. Not superstar but noticeable players that gave a shit.

Lafy can only dream of 24 goals 50 points 100 PIM what Dubinsky had here, and can dream of Callahan’s 29 goals and 54 ppints and 61 PIM.. He does not have that potential. Personally I see a 30- 40 point player at most, that draws penalties due to his average skating.

You mean those same teams that struggled to make the playoffs or got bounced early? We were coming out of the dark ages so it was exciting and a nice change. Dubi and Cally both got moved up and down the line up and produced above their draft spots. They were also older.

 

[RangersFan1994]

You mean those same teams that struggled to make the playoffs or got bounced early? We were coming out of the dark ages so it was exciting and a nice change. Dubi and Cally both got moved up and down the line up and produced above their draft spots. They were also older.

Dubinsky was 20. Not much older than Lafy is now. Callahan was a 22

 

[Do you want ants]

Ideally, you want to look like a serious contender and have the kids develop to great players at the same time. But I think the vast majority on this Rangers board would be fine with one of those things. Either that the kids thrive under opportunity, or they play a lesser supporting role on a great team. At this point, the Rangers are neither, and that's the issue. Even when we were on that run before the break, guys like Zib and Kreider still played poorly 5v5.

So Gallant, you have two jobs. At least figure out one of them.

Yeah. I’m not disagreeing with it. I’d obviously like to see both, but GG was brought in for the team to take the next step. A trip to the ECF in year 1 and being in a playoff spot currently (we’ll see where the season finishes) is that next step vs the Quinn years.

 

[huerter]

What should Laf's target PIMs number be?

 

[Do you want ants]

Dubinsky was 20. Not much older than Lafy is now. Callahan was a 22

Ok. Well Laf is getting top 6 mins and not producing like we’d hope. GG was brought in to win. Not play the kids 25+ a night and tank. And once again, I’d like to see us win and develop the kids, but GG was clearly brought in to take the next step. Laf and Kakko are getting top 6 mins even with the lack of special teams time.

 

[egelband]

The last thing the rangers need is a finesse perimeter player. I have to assume Drury appreciates this and stays miles away from Kane. If there’s interest, maybe it’s just to inflate the price for a rival. If anything, the rangers need to look for a player who is willing to hang around the front of the net and distract the goalie. Hornqvist would have been perfect but I guess he’s out for the year. Is that right?

 

[egelband]

Yeah. I’m not disagreeing with it. I’d obviously like to see both, but GG was brought in for the team to take the next step. A trip to the ECF in year 1 and being in a playoff spot currently (we’ll see where the season finishes) is that next step vs the Quinn years.

It’s pretty disappointing the rangers couldn’t spend at least one of the Quinn years focused completely on development. Would have made a big difference I think. But we know how the rangers are managed.

 

[RangersFan1994]

The last thing the rangers need is a finesse perimeter player. I have to assume Drury appreciates this and stays miles away from Kane. If there’s interest, maybe it’s just to inflate the price for a rival. If anything, the rangers need to look for a player who is willing to hang around the front of the net and distract the goalie. Hornqvist would have been perfect but I guess he’s out for the year. Is that right?

He has another year on his contract. I like Hornqvist but hasn’t he struggled lately. id take him 10 years ago. Now maybe for Blais and that’s it. 1 goal 3 points. One guy i hope they look at is Barbashev.


I’d trade a Stars 1st and Jones for Barbashev

 

[effen]

Moms out in force, I see.

Lafreniere could always, yanno, play better. That's an option.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Moms out in force, I see.

Lafreniere could always, yanno, play better. That's an option.

He could but he hasn't for 3 years now. Through different coaches and different linemates. He still is basically the same player since he entered the league.

 

[Rangers in 7]

He has another year on his contract. I like Hornqvist but hasn’t he struggled lately. id take him 10 years ago. Now maybe for Blais and that’s it. 1 goal 3 points. One guy i hope they look at is Barbashev.


I’d trade a Stars 1st and Jones for Barbashev

Lol you can’t be serious

Barbashev has 5 goals this year and 16 points. I’m not giving up a first rounder for that. That would be HORRIBLE asset management

 

[n8]

Barbashev and Acciari would be huge upgrades over Brodzinski and Gauthier. Let me know when they score more than 10 goals a season. Both Barbashev and Acciari can do that. Both scored at least 15 goals a season something Gauthier and Brodzinski never done


Goodrow Barbashev Vesey can be a solid 3rd or 4th line upgrade. If it upgrades the bottom line by that much, definitely more worth it than trading a first for another skilled finesse forward. Bottom lines need upgrades like last year. I don't feel safe with Gauthier, Blais and Brodzinski in the playoffs taking a regular shift

My point is if you are trading a 1st, would we be better off getting a top 6 forward and let the depth push those two out instead? There is no arguing those two would be a huge upgrade but we're still dressing Jimmy Vesey in the top 9. Gallant needs to keep giving Kravtsov big ice time and hope he develops into something this season for us to have any type of threat from the RW. Those two would have to be able to make a serious impact for me to be ok trading a 1st. Not saying I wouldn't do it, just that I'm very skeptical that is the right path.

From last year to this year
OUT: Strome, Copp, Vatrano, Rooney, Reaves, Braun
IN: Trochek, Kravtsov, Vesey, Brodzinski?, Gauthier?, Harpur?

With the trade, you'd get something like
Panarin-Zibs-Kravtsov
Lafs-Chytil-Kakko
Kreider-Trochek-Vesey
Goodrow-Acciari-Barbashev

Which is totally better no doubt but is it gonna take up deep? 3rd LD is still an issue. while Vesey is far from our worst player, he's also far from an adequate 3rd line RW. One thing I just thought of now though is if Othmann can step up and have himself a Kreideresque playoff debut. If kid-line can kid-line in the playoffs again. And Kravy develops... it is A LOT of IFs but could work.

 

[duhmetreE]

Kids were playing well.
Zibs was engaged.

Laffy Zibs Kakko

One bad period and the shuffle continues

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Ideally, you want to look like a serious contender and have the kids develop to great players at the same time. But I think the vast majority on this Rangers board would be fine with one of those things. Either that the kids thrive under opportunity, or they play a lesser supporting role on a great team. At this point, the Rangers are neither, and that's the issue. Even when we were on that run before the break, guys like Zib and Kreider still played poorly 5v5.

So Gallant, you have two jobs. At least figure out one of them.

This team won't win a cup until both things happen, we win games and the kids are ready to contribute. If these kids aren't ready to go then this rebuild has stalled until they are, we dont have cap space to fill holes that could be filled by the kids if they were given some rope to learn like the young dmen Lindgren, Miller and Schneider have been given. The two things are connected, winning and developing the kids quickly aren't things that can be separated.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Ok. Well Laf is getting top 6 mins and not producing like we’d hope. GG was brought in to win. Not play the kids 25+ a night and tank. And once again, I’d like to see us win and develop the kids, but GG was clearly brought in to take the next step. Laf and Kakko are getting top 6 mins even with the lack of special teams time.

One thing ill say is that while its disappointing that Laf hasn't progressed as quick as we hoped, the coach has the share in that. Zibs was invigorated when he was put on Zibs line had like 2 goals in 4 periods, had a bad shift and they never put him there again. Why not leave him there and build some confidence? You go back to last year in the regular season and when he was on Zibs line he was playing well....just leave him there.

 

[LOFIN]

This team won't win a cup until both things happen, we win games and the kids are ready to contribute. If these kids aren't ready to go then this rebuild has stalled until they are, we dont have cap space to fill holes that could be filled by the kids if they were given some rope to learn like the young dmen Lindgren, Miller and Schneider have been given. The two things are connected, winning and developing the kids quickly aren't things that can be separated.

Sure, but it would be easier to accept that maybe they just are busts if the rest of the team was doing all well and good. They are not, thus there should be some anxiety with the fanbase and FO as well.

Laf seems to be the current scapegoat and for a good reason, he has looked very poor this season. But I'm not pointing the finger at him or want him traded for other pieces, until the vets start looking good night in and night out. The #1 issue of this Rangers team right now is not the kids. It's Zibanejads play 5v5. After that comes Panarins 5v5 play, and after that Kreiders 5v5 play. I guess you could slot Trouba in there somewhere but I was talking about forwards here.

 

[Do you want ants]

One thing I’ll say is that while its disappointing that Laf hasn't progressed as quick as we hoped, the coach has the share in that. Zibs was invigorated when he was put on Zibs line had like 2 goals in 4 periods, had a bad shift and they never put him there again. Why not leave him there and build some confidence? You go back to last year in the regular season and when he was on Zibs line he was playing well....just leave him there.

I don’t know. I’m not the coach. My point from earlier is if you’re holding it against GG that he’s not a 100% development and tank coach, then you don’t understand why he was brought in. Laf has gotten top 6 mins all situations even with the lack of special teams time. He’s getting his shot, he’s just not doing enough with it. He may one day, but he’s not currently. Bread/Zbad make a lot more money and have a track record of producing a lot more than they have, hence why they have a longer leash. It may be a chicken/egg thing but all non-tank coaches are going to ride their vets/highest paid players and that’s not something unique to GG or the Rangers. Kakko/Chytil have been forcing the issue. Laf, not so much. The kids were never going to be 1-3 in TOI and it’s getting old having read pages after pages of complaints about it (not directed at you).