Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2021 Offseason) - “You'll not see nothing like the Mighty Quinn”?

[RGY]

It's the "Same Old Rangers" syndrome, I can't blame him for having Rick Nash PTSD and projecting that on to Eichel.

Hell I'm having the same thoughts about Francisco Lindor at this moment.

And then I'll descent into permanent madness if Darnold is a Pro Bowl QB in Carolina.

And I would counter that with there were plenty here who did not want to spend the money on Panarin, weren’t certain if he was worth the money and would perform here. And yet here he is putting up Hart Trophy caliber seasons.

Sometimes you have to take risks to try and improve the team. You may fail. But thats business. You collect as much info and data as you can to make the most educated decision on taking that risk.

To be clear I would love to get Lindholm out of Calgary or Horvat out of Vancouver but those two aren’t likely.

 

[GAGLine]

Tkachuk apparently will cost the Flames $9 million next year in QO, then he's free to go to UFA (according to some post I read on here).

He has 1 year left on his current contract. His QO will be 8.4 mil. He could sign his QO and then be UFA the following year. Or he could go to arbitration, take the 1 year award, and be UFA.

 

[RGY]

The stars have come into alignment for this Ranger’s team in the upcoming 2021 draft.
As long as we don’t trade away our pick I believe we can draft no lower than 15.
At that position there is a good chance we can pick a center who could step into lineup.
Most of the top players projected to go early are defenseman, wingers and one goalie.
At 15 we could be looking at Aatu Raty, Mason MacTavish, Chaz Lucius, Francisco Pinnelli and Zachary L’Heureux.
So our Center problems could be short lived.
I’m looking forward to the next three draft years as a Ranger fan.

No player from this draft is stepping into a lineup. Maybe, maybe Powers. But absolutely no one at 15 would be. Probably not next year either.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Anyone the Rangers take in this draft is probably 2-3 seasons out from the NHL if you’re being conservative

 

[CLW]

He has 1 year left on his current contract. His QO will be 8.4 mil. He could sign his QO and then be UFA the following year. Or he could go to arbitration, take the 1 year award, and be UFA.

Ouch. Sucks to be the Flames I guess.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Eichel isn't just a risk though. He a risk that will come with a price of his current contract PLUS assets.

Hes had injury issues before this year. Even if the neck issues get sorted out and never pop up again, he's had a litany of ailments in his young career. Theres really no reason not to expect that to continue, or to not actually get worse in the coming years.

Plus he doesn't really help them shore up the areas where they really need help. The only argument to getting him is that he makes it easier to walk away from Zibanejad a year later after he torches the league in his contract year (it's happening, and the outrage will be real when they don't extend him, which is what they're locking themselves into if they trade for Eichel.)

It's possible to ice a competitive and strong team with out getting stupid for Eichel. The goal should be to get more diverse up and down the lineup, not to add more of the same and get more homogenous than we already are. Getting a competent coach is step 1, replacing some of the redundant pieces with ones who help us where we suck should be step 2. Step 3 should be getting a veteran LD. Eichel doesn't fall into any of those categories.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Boone Jenner would be a good get but his numbers have been in decline over the last two years. Pay appropriately.

I'm more interested in him for the other things he brings, got plenty of skill on this team as is.

I might even bring in him AND foligno if possible for the third line.

 

[wafflepadsave]

You liked the feel of the team because Quinn wasn’t here. I’m not sure how much of that was on Knobby and how much was simply coincidence.

Yeah it’s really hard to tell how that really played out but drury was right in the middle of it so there’s that.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

The stars have come into alignment for this Ranger’s team in the upcoming 2021 draft.
As long as we don’t trade away our pick I believe we can draft no lower than 15.
At that position there is a good chance we can pick a center who could step into lineup.
Most of the top players projected to go early are defenseman, wingers and one goalie.
At 15 we could be looking at Aatu Raty, Mason MacTavish, Chaz Lucius, Francisco Pinnelli and Zachary L’Heureux.
So our Center problems could be short lived.
I’m looking forward to the next three draft years as a Ranger fan.

The only center in this draft that could reasonably step into the lineup next season is Beniers and we ain't drafting him at 15.

 

[wafflepadsave]

The stars have come into alignment for this Ranger’s team in the upcoming 2021 draft.
As long as we don’t trade away our pick I believe we can draft no lower than 15.
At that position there is a good chance we can pick a center who could step into lineup.
Most of the top players projected to go early are defenseman, wingers and one goalie.
At 15 we could be looking at Aatu Raty, Mason MacTavish, Chaz Lucius, Francisco Pinnelli and Zachary L’Heureux.
So our Center problems could be short lived.
I’m looking forward to the next three draft years as a Ranger fan.

After that response from dolan to the nhl last week, we might be picking 30th!

 

[mas0764]

Eichel isn't just a risk though. He a risk that will come with a price of his current contract PLUS assets.

Hes had injury issues before this year. Even if the neck issues get sorted out and never pop up again, he's had a litany of ailments in his young career. Theres really no reason not to expect that to continue, or to not actually get worse in the coming years.

Plus he doesn't really help them shore up the areas where they really need help. The only argument to getting him is that he makes it easier to walk away from Zibanejad a year later after he torches the league in his contract year (it's happening, and the outrage will be real when they don't extend him, which is what they're locking themselves into if they trade for Eichel.)

It's possible to ice a competitive and strong team with out getting stupid for Eichel. The goal should be to get more diverse up and down the lineup, not to add more of the same and get more homogenous than we already are. Getting a competent coach is step 1, replacing some of the redundant pieces with ones who help us where we suck should be step 2. Step 3 should be getting a veteran LD. Eichel doesn't fall into any of those categories.

The problem is that the wise alternative to Eichel is doubling down in the rebuild and trying to trade expensive players like Buch and Strome and our excessive defensive prospects and instead acquire some young centers that fit more of that physical north-south model, like Lundell, Boldy, Krebs etc. just throwing names out there.

But we aren’t likely to do that, and I’m not sure guys like Lindholm or Danault do much more than make us early playoff exits.

 

[Fitzy]

After that response from dolan to the nhl last week, we might be picking 30th!

Honestly I was pleased that we didn’t get hammered with a draft pick penalty

 

[Clark Kellogg]

No player from this draft is stepping into a lineup. Maybe, maybe Powers. But absolutely no one at 15 would be. Probably not next year either.

I think Aatu Raty might surprise a lot of skeptics. If you like Lundell my bet is your gonna love Raty.

 

[mas0764]

I think Aatu Raty might surprise a lot of skeptics. If you like Lundell my bet is your gonna love Raty.

I’d be very interested in Raty at 15 but I do feel Lundell has more upside based on scout consensus.

 

[Fitzy]

I’d be very interested in Raty at 15 but I do feel Lundell has more upside based on scout consensus.

I don’t think there’s any question there. Lundell wouod easily go top ten this draft

 

[Clark Kellogg]

No player from this draft is stepping into a lineup. Maybe, maybe Powers. But absolutely no one at 15 would be. Probably not next year either.

This draft is unpredictable. Many of the players didn’t get enough playing time or did not play in challenging situation. If there ever was a draft where there is no clear defined rankings of players 1 through 25 it would be this one.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The problem is that the wise alternative to Eichel is doubling down in the rebuild and trying to trade expensive players like Buch and Strome and our excessive defensive prospects and instead acquire some young centers that fit more of that physical north-south model, like Lundell, Boldy, Krebs etc. just throwing names out there.

But we aren’t likely to do that, and I’m not sure guys like Lindholm or Danault do much more than make us early playoff exits.

I disagree with this 100%. This team is going to live or die with their wingers which is totally fine. They're going to need to be the ones to carry this team through. If they're not able to we're f***ed, with or with out Eichel.

Eichel doesn't really put this team over the top either and he will cost more than both of those guys (amongst other options) both in assets and dollars (which will limit this team's ability to fill other holes.)

 

[Clark Kellogg]

I’d be very interested in Raty at 15 but I do feel Lundell has more upside based on scout consensus.

If you like analytics then watch this.

 

[mas0764]

I disagree with this 100%. This team is going to live or die with their wingers which is totally fine. They're going to need to be the ones to carry this team through. If they're not able to we're f***ed, with or with out Eichel.

Eichel doesn't really put this team over the top either and he will cost more than both of those guys (amongst other options) both in assets and dollars (which will limit this team's ability to fill other holes.)

I think Eichel has a chance to put the team over the top; albeit he is a bigger risk, due to injury, cap hit, etc.

I don’t think some of the lesser players discussed despite being “diverse,” are needle movers though.

Again I can be talked off chasing Eichel but then I want to take a run at young centers to grow with the kids, not Philip Danaults and Alec Martinezes.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Weren’t the Rangers interested in him a few years ago?

 

[Clark Kellogg]

I’d be very interested in Raty at 15 but I do feel Lundell has more upside based on scout consensus.

I think if we are lucky enough to draft Raty, he makes the team out of camp. And if they gamble on L’Heurreux I believe he would have a chance all be it a long one. Our current Center depth is lacking.

 

[RangersFan1994]

For those that want an analogy, you already have Mika and you add Eichel. Yes Mika is more of a shooter but do you play both as a 1-2? Neither are physical.

It's adding the same flavor to a cake. You need a Ryan O'Reily or Nazem Kadri type as a 2C if you have one finesse dude.

I’d love Kadri. He has spunk to his game. Chippy player. O’Reily is underrated complete player. He would be a better option than Eichel. I’d kick the tired on Barkov after the playoffs if not resigned by then. Eichel is too one dimensional for me.

 

[bobbop]

I'm more interested in him for the other things he brings, got plenty of skill on this team as is.

I might even bring in him AND foligno if possible for the third line.

All of his numbers have been in decline. Not drastically but he's not a $5MM player. That's my point.

I'd sign Foligno in a minute for third line wages. Unfortunately that's not going to happen. He's a good player and brings what we need, including a dose of leadership, but I expect his price tag will be too rich for our blood. He's also a left wing.

 

[Payote75]

For those that want an analogy, you already have Mika and you add Eichel. Yes Mika is more of a shooter but do you play both as a 1-2? Neither are physical.

It's adding the same flavor to a cake. You need a Ryan O'Reily or Nazem Kadri type as a 2C if you have one finesse dude.

I don't agree with that entirely you can have an all around good center in Eichel who before all this crap was trending as the number two player in the league behind Mcdavid but having him and Mikka is fine the 3rd and fourth lime is where you can add your rough tough center doesn't have to be a 30 goal scorer or a 29 goal scorer. If they can chip on 15 goals great but more importantly check and check well win face-offs and maybe win some scraps especially the fourth line center that is a well built team with our young wingers. That's why Strome Buchy just those two alone almost make the Eichel salary I'd add to that Jones a lower end prospect and a first. Doesn't have to be Eichel though. Also you then have a chytll and another prospect to trade for said center. You can play with those player combos but that's how I'd like to see it done.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I don’t understand at all how “we can’t afford Eichel, Zibanejad, Trouba, Kreider making up too much of the cap” Pittsburgh says hi and they did just fine for a while