Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Savoie Gets an Audition With the Trade Deadline Looming

[McDrai]

Better be a bluff from the management. In no way can anybody in their right mind not think Gibson > Skinner. Or do we need to use Hagel’s goal earlier as an example for this fat f***’s slow ass lateral movement in net.

Skinner has playoff pedigree? LOL now I’ve heard it all. Dude had a .883 save% in the 22/23 playoffs and a .901 save % in the 23/24 playoffs. Nice pedigree. If management doesn’t address the goaltending at the deadline then I’m boycotting the team for the rest of the season.

 

[guymez]

I thought Dylan wouldn't sign for that.

The decision to sign Jeff Skinner was a head scratcher.
Pretty much a useless player that scores the occasional goal.

Thats why his occasional defenisve plays stand out so much...he doesnt accomplish much of anything otherwise.

Ultimately Skinner is an absolute waste of $3M in cap space.
Holloway at anything under $3M would have been much smarter.
It really makes me wonder how it is that this organization cant see the value on its own players...the very players it developed but yet goes outside the organization and takes a risk on a player who was bought out.

Really dumb.

 

[LeonDraisaitl29]

Even Spector is agreeing. Wow

Agreeing with Spector....

 

[Soundwave]

Doesn't sound like Knob is very happy with Stuart Skinner, lol.

On the 2nd goal:

“It was tough, especially the time the game. We come out against the team that's playing really well right now, in their building, it’s 1-1.

And then that happens the first shift.

“It's deflating.”

 

[LeonDraisaitl29]

I thought Dylan wouldn't sign for that.

Bad take, he has 11 goals, Janmark is taller and faster but has what 1 goal. Also skinners 5'11", a bit below average but not 5'6" like yamamoto lol. The Skinner haters are a bit odd imo, he's the guy they've decided to hate on, when his underperformance is still better than Brown or Janmark, and he could hit at least 15 and probably 20 goals for 3 million. That's honestly not that bad.

 

[McDoused]

Even Spector is agreeing. Wow

You know somethings wrong when Spectors the voice of reason.

 

[guymez]

Bad take, he has 11 goals, Janmark is taller and faster but has what 1 goal

How is it a bad take by Gregor?

Where was Jackson on this?
If he wasnt entirely sure he could have consulted with other Oilers management about Holloway.
If he did in fact do that and he was told that it wouldnt be a good idea to match then thats a major fail.
Its actually a major fail regardless of how you look at it.

Instead the Oilers signed Jeff Skinner...a much older pretty much useless one dimensional 5x5 player (who doesnt skate very well and is weak along the boards) for a $3M cap hit.

Apparently the Blues knew the value of an Oilers player better than Oilers Management...and this is the management team we are relying on to build a Stanley Cup winner?

Hmmm...

 

[Soundwave]

How is it a bad take by Gregor.

Where was Jackson on this?
If he wasnt entirely sure he could have consulted with other Oilers management about Holloway.
If he did in fact do that and he was told that it wouldnt be a good idea to match then thats a major fail.
Its actually a major fail regardless of how you look at it.

Instead the Oilers signed Jeff Skinner...a pretty much useless one dimensional 5x5 player (who doesnt skate very well and is weak along the boards) for a $3M cap hit.

Apparently the Blues knew the value of an Oilers player better than Oilers Management...and this is the management team we are relying on to build a Stanley Cup winner?

Hmmm...

Jeff Skinner doesn't even deserve the smoke. He's scored more goals than Dylan Holloway the last two months. They told him to work on his two way game and he went and did that and is a +4 since the calendar year turned as well.

Arvidsson and Henrique at 7 million combined looks like a lot worse of an investment.

If Knob would let Skinner freaking play in the top 6, he'd have 15-17 goals himself right now, not a doubt in my mind.

He's been a total pro despite being disrespected multiple times here as well, a lot of vets in his position would complain loudly (hello Evander Kane). Getting healthy scratched twice in games where you scored a goal and were a plus player is really shit coaching IMO, you don't treat players like that, Knob needs to own that.

 

[McDoused]

The decision to sign Jeff Skinner was a head scratcher.
Pretty much a useless player that scores the occasional goal.

Thats why his occasional defenisve plays stand out so much...he doesnt accomplish much of anything otherwise.

Ultimately Skinner is an absolute waste of $3M in cap space.
Holloway at anything under $3M would have been much smarter.
It really makes me wonder how it is that this organization cant see the value on its own players...the very players it developed but yet goes outside the organization and takes a risk on a player who was bought out.

Really dumb.

I'm getting tired of this hindsight bullshit. We were all loving the signings on July 1st.

Holloway had 9 regular season goals and 18 points in his NHL career as an Oiler. Meanwhile, Skinner is a proven goal scorer with 5 30 goal seasons and 1 40 goal season.

Fwiw Holloway still only has 17 goals (14 even strength) to Skinners 11. So Holloway playing top line minutes has 3 more EVG over Skinner who keeps getting scratched or put in the bottom 6.

Who is to say Holloway wouldn't be in the same position here? But yeah go ahead and keep calling people with your crystal ball.

Like the Oilers lose 4-1 and you're in here complaining about a guy who scored last game and was scratched tonight. What are we doing here?

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

Part of the reason they didn’t match on Holloway is they wanted to accrue space until TDL. That was the plan apparently right?

Even if they don’t get a goalie, if they don’t get a top 4D or something impactful.. wow what a waste. Letting Holloway go because they have some sneaky plan that fizzles out after patiently waiting for months.

They better do something to improve this team. If it’s not a goalie then make the right move, they’ve been working on this for months supposedly. We’ll see pretty soon either way.

 

[foshizzle]

“That second goal is a funky goal. I don't know how it got in,” said defenceman Mattias Ekholm. “I think Stu may want that back - Direct Quote from Ekholm

Coming from a player…that’s telling. You can tell they have lost faith in him. This team needs their Roli

I'm getting tired of this hindsight bullshit. We were all loving the signings on July 1st.

Holloway had 9 regular season goals and 18 points in his NHL career as an Oiler. Meanwhile, Skinner is a proven goal scorer with 5 30 goal seasons and 1 40 goal season.

Fwiw Holloway still only has 17 goals (14 even strength) to Skinners 11. So Holloway playing top line minutes has 3 more EVG over Skinner who keeps getting scratched or put in the bottom 6.

Who is to say Holloway wouldn't be in the same position here? But yeah go ahead and keep calling people with your crystal ball.

Like the Oilers lose 4-1 and you're in here complaining about a guy who scored last game and was scratched tonight. What are we doing here?

I think every single person on here would not have sacrificed Holloway for any of the signings. Holloway had his breakout party during the playoff run, scoring some huge goals, playing on Draisaitl’s wing.

I do agree with you on Skinner. He’s getting screwed by the coach

 

[Tarus]

What playoff pedigree? The guy was getting pulled and the backup was starting games in the 2nd round. Oilers made it to the finals in spite of Skinner, it's not unreasonable to suggest that they would have won the cup if they made an effort to find a different starter at the trade deadline last year.

Gibson not an upgrade over Skinner? The Oilers spent months dominating the league defensively and Skinner's stats put him firmly in the ranks of the worst goaltenders to play hockey at the NHL this year.

 

[Shanahanigans]

We all were. Who would’ve thought guys like Arvidsson would be busts of signings while we were fine with the likes of Foegele being gone.
Jackson and bowman still have an opportunity to redeem themselves with the deadline but I have little optimism anymore. We need a goalie but we’ll probably just get bottom 6 junk and then get the excuses reminiscent of Ken holland’s 5 years. I long for the day we would have a good GM especially when we have 29/97

Not to be that guy but I did voice my concerns this summer about the team going in an older, slower and more expensive direction as well as not being fooled by a short sample size from Henrique and Janmark- they are not 3rd liners, and was shouted down by many on this board. The signs were there, including McLeod who many hate but would be the best player in the bottom six by a country mile right now.

Sadly, it’s looking like we’re going to have to completely retool this summer and shed all the dead weight. We have zero prospects coming up at ANY position right now either, so last summer was even more harmful than we realize even now.

 

[Soundwave]

Not to be that guy but I did voice my concerns this summer about the team going in an older, slower and more expensive direction as well as not being fooled by a short sample size from Henrique and Janmark- they are not 3rd liners, and was shouted down by many on this board. The signs were there, including McLeod who many hate but would be the best player in the bottom six by a country mile right now.

Sadly, it’s looking like we’re going to have to completely retool this summer and shed all the dead weight. We have zero prospects coming up at ANY position right now either, so last summer was even more harmful than we realize even now.

People forget very quickly though that Foegele and McLeod were playing so bad in the playoffs that they both got themselves healthy scratched. McLeod also got ripped a new rear end by Draisaitl I believe for turning the puck over late in game 7 of that series to get the Canucks into the game, in fact I think he was toast in Edmonton from there on.

Klim Kostin in 2023 playoffs scored at a higher per game rate than all of Holloway, Foegele, and McLeod did in 2024.

So it helps to have some perspective on that stuff too. It wasn't always roses with those players here and none of them were going to get things like powerplay time here ever.

 

[Shanahanigans]

People forget very quickly though that Foegele and McLeod were playing so bad in the playoffs that they both got themselves healthy scratched. McLeod also got ripped a new rear end by Draisaitl I believe for turning the puck over late in game 7 of that series to get the Canucks into the game, in fact I think he was toast in Edmonton from there on.

Klim Kostin in 2023 playoffs scored at a higher per game rate than all of Holloway, Foegele, and McLeod did in 2024.

So it helps to have some perspective on that stuff too. It wasn't always roses with those players here and none of them were going to get things like powerplay time here ever.

Every player who wasn’t in the top 6 got scratched last year in the playoffs. Of course it wasn’t always roses, but they both won their minutes pretty handily in terms of goals and chances against. McLeod always struggled in the later rounds when things got physical, but you could count on him to at least be a great bottom 6 player for the regular season and early in the playoffs, as well as providing you with 15 goals and 30 points. Foegele had his issues but he gave you 20 even strength goals with no PP time and was fast and a great forechecker to boot. This team has an issue with throwing out the baby with the bathwater. These guys had issues, yes. They got rid of them because of those issues and replaced them with guys who are worse at literally everything else.
Re- McLeod. Let’s not forget that in the Vegas series, he was the only centre who came out even vs Eichel. He has his utility and a good team would know how to utilize that. I’m not too angry as we got Savoie out of him, but let’s not act like he was chopped liver.

 

[Soundwave]

Every player who wasn’t in the top 6 got scratched last year in the playoffs. Of course it wasn’t always roses, but they both won their minutes pretty handily in terms of goals and chances against. McLeod always struggled in the later rounds when things got physical, but you could count on him to at least be a great bottom 6 player for the regular season and early in the playoffs, as well as providing you with 15 goals and 30 points. Foegele had his issues but he gave you 20 even strength goals with no PP time and was fast and a great forechecker to boot. This team has an issue with throwing out the baby with the bathwater. These guys had issues, yes. They got rid of them because of those issues and replaced them with guys who are worse at literally everything else.
Re- McLeod. Let’s not forget that in the Vegas series, he was the only centre who came out even vs Eichel. He has his utility and a good team would know how to utilize that. I’m not too angry as we got Savoie out of him, but let’s not act like he was chopped liver.

I don't think the bottom 6 is really the problem with this year's team anyway.

The core problems are the same and have remained the same the last 2-3 years (if not longer). We don't have an actual top 6, we don't really even have an actual reliable "second line" like most contending teams do.

This has never been resolved.

The lack of an actual starting goaltender has never been resolved. Even the Canucks in the 2000s at some point gave up on Dan Cloutier and got Roberto Luongo. We're still spinning our wheels stuck in the same spot in these areas and until that changes ... welp, you probably know the rest.

 

[Shanahanigans]

I don't think the bottom 6 is really the problem with this year's team anyway.

The core problems are the same and have remained the same the last 2-3 years (if not longer). We don't have an actual top 6, we don't really even have an actual reliable "second line" like most contending teams do.

This has never been resolved.

The lack of an actual starting goaltender has never been resolved. Even the Canucks in the 2000s at some point gave up on Dan Cloutier and got Roberto Luongo. We're still spinning our wheels stuck in the same spot in these areas and until that changes.

Agreed on all those counts but the bottom 6 is a major problem IMO. Starting goalie, 2nd pair RD , and a starting goaltender are literally problems we’ve had since like 2018. This organization is a joke.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Bald fraud shouldn’t be calling out J Skinner, he should be calling out one of the new guys that’s actually been useless.

I read that differently. Moreso calling out Jackson's poor management decisions this summer. Choosing to chase a second external top six over thirty forward over an in-house developing young player who helped this team's playoff run.

The abysmal handling of Skinner by Knoblauch just reinforces the significant failure of this team's talent assessment and suitability by team management, scouting and analytics support department.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Doesn't sound like Knob is very happy with Stuart Skinner, lol.

On the 2nd goal:

“It was tough, especially the time the game. We come out against the team that's playing really well right now, in their building, it’s 1-1.

And then that happens the first shift.

“It's deflating.”

It's annoying that the Oiler's only solution for dealing with poor play is the beating will continue until moral/performance improves.
I'm not saying Pickard is the answer, but they need to give Stu a week of nothing but practice to re-focus on his fundamentals. If you can't trust Pick for that, then go get someone else.

It's the same with Bouch. He's struggling right now, so let Klingberg take over the PP for a few games while Evan takes a step back.


Meanwhile as those two are drowning, Jeff Skinner is dying of dehydration.

 

[McAsuno]

Even Spector is agreeing. Wow

Spector has been one of the most adamant media defenders of Stu all season long. Speaks volume to me that he actually finally wrote an article for once to criticize the poor goaltending. Would it be wrong for a fan to think the management is finally allowing the media to start pressing on the poor goaltending.

(Can’t even believe I’m agreeing with Spector)

 

[Sheikyerbouti]

Bowman can't say the Oilers are looking for a goalie upgrade. What if it didn't happen? Doesn't matter what he says, it matters if we have a goalie in a week

And the Skinner thing on HF is like Lavoie. Goals matter less when the battle is only to score goals. Skinner isn't the answer to anything imo.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

We need to make two trades...three if you count the one for the AHL. Plus a trade for the future in the off season just after the draft and before free agency. Also good to divest in a couple of players then as well.
This involves quite a large turnover so late in the season but i believe the players coming in will be able to adapt to the systems before the end of the season.

Stan Bowman was able to pickup Tallon;s left overs and adapt them into something worthwhile. He has a chance here to seriously upgrade this team. If he can't do it his time in Edmonton might be short lived as JJ will be looking to save his own skin and may scapegoat Bowman.

 

[Tarus]

Spector has been one of the most adamant media defenders of Stu all season long. Speaks volume to me that he actually finally wrote an article for once to criticize the poor goaltending. Would it be wrong for a fan to think the management is finally allowing the media to start pressing on the poor goaltending.

(Can’t even believe I’m agreeing with Spector)

Spector does this every once in a while, where he'll take a break from his ragebait stuff and put out a "voice of the fandom" type article when the team is struggling that is contrary to the mainstream media and organizational narrative making the rounds. He's still trying to rile up a reaction, but he's just coming at it from a different perspective from his usual work.

A lot of major shakeups within the organization have followed these types of articles he puts out too, since he's around the team a lot and is usually one of the first to criticize a GM/coach/player when the winds of change start blowing.

 

[BlackZer0]

Skinner has playoff pedigree? LOL now I’ve heard it all. Dude had a .883 save% in the 22/23 playoffs and a .901 save % in the 23/24 playoffs. Nice pedigree. If management doesn’t address the goaltending at the deadline then I’m boycotting the team for the rest of the season.

Skinner has 18 games above .910. 18 games below .899 and 3 games between .900 - .910.

A real Jackyl & Hyde season.

 

[GMofOilers]

Skinner has 18 games above .910. 18 games below .899 and 3 games between .900 - .910.

A real Jackyl & Hyde season.

Of these 39 games the oilers played perfect hockey 85% of the time.

No jackyl and Hyde just piss poor