Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2019/2020) - DeAngelo and Lemieux Left

[Kovalev27]

Panarin Mika Kakko
Kreider Chytil Buchnevich
Namestnikov Strome Kravtsov
Lemieux Howden Fast
Nieves

Skjei Trouba
Staal DeAngelo
Hajek Fox
Smith

Hank/Georgiev

Rykov Shesterkin and Lias start in Hartford.

Was really hoping we could move namestnikov but it isn’t looking like it. At least not yet. But that’s a very deep group imo with good goaltending

 

[Leetch3]

The Athletic projected the final standings for the 2019-20 season.



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75 points.

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75 points is 7th worst in the NHL.



The Rangers young players are the wildcards.

75 points. It will be a very long fall and winter here.

It would be the best outcome for the Rangers. They get another top pick. The lottery balls fall into place again and they get Byfield, Lafreniere or one of the two Swedes. Holtz or Raymond.

The Rangers young players gain a full year of NHL experience. Top pick in the draft. Another 1st rounder for Kreider. A 2nd for Namestnikov.

seems pretty realistic to me...

 

[Calad]

I think the athletic projection is fairly accurate. Lots of questions all over on this team. Will the kids be able to step take a step forward on their development? Will the anchors on defense rebound? Will the rookies even establish themselves as full time NHLers this year? Is Lundqvist going to return to form, and/or will Georgeiv continue his hot streak from the end of last season? If any number of these questions are a no its going to be major problems with this squad.

 

[NYR Viper]

this nyr team right now- the way its configured, will have more than 75 points.

thats a joke.

this team will push for a playoff spot.

my lord.

we kept CK, added panarin, kakko and kravtsov plus trouba and fox.

if george outplays hank, lets him be the #1.

stupid

Yeah they also lost Hayes and Zuccarello and were remarkably healthy last year. Yes we have exciting young players but that also means growing pains. On top of that we have an aging Hank. You mention that if Hank struggles they will just immediately insert Georgiev. What if he struggles in his sophomore season? How long of a leash will the Rangers give Hank to work out of his struggles early in the season? 10 games? 15 games? If the team significantly struggles for those 10-15 games while they are trying to work out their goalie situation that could tank the season right there.

I'm not seeing it. Their center depth alone is horrid AND they are in a division with teams who are all better than them right now (exception being maybe the Devils but they really improved as well this off-season)

 

[JohnC]

When will RangerBot's processor tire of sensationalizing Hank's discontent with the rebuilding?

 

[Leetch3]

this nyr team right now- the way its configured, will have more than 75 points.

thats a joke.

this team will push for a playoff spot.

my lord.

we kept CK, added panarin, kakko and kravtsov plus trouba and fox.

if george outplays hank, lets him be the #1.

stupid

a team that could have ryan strome as the #2 center isn't a good team...if we are good it means a LOT of the kids had break out years.

 

[offdacrossbar]

im sorry but there are teams that got weaker.

not better
pitts - lost kessel and getting older
cbus - duh
the piles - not buying it
the canes - gimicky

better
devs- stronger
flyers- improved

same
wash- always tough

 

[I Eat Crow]

I wouldn't. That pick could be years away. Fiala is still young and could be a key core piece when we are ready to begin pushing for a PO spot in a year or two.

How is Columbus getting 95 points?!?!?!?

 

[SA16]

I think they could potentially contend for the playoffs.

Anything more than that, and you'd have to bank on young defenders making the team and having a big impact, Kakko and Kravtsov making large, immediate impacts, someone stepping into the 2C spot and performing ably, progression from Chytil, maybe progression from Andersson, and the goaltending to be consistently good, whether it's Lundqvist, Georgiev, or Shesterkin.

That's a lot that has to go right, with basically nothing going wrong, for us to push for anything more than a spot. IMO, anyway.

EDIT: I didn't see the stuff RB posted. I think it's pretty good. Like I said, if the young guys makes big impacts, that 75 points can jump to 85 or 90 points. But if there are growing pains, which their probably will be, maybe it's more like 80, 82 points. I think that's reasonable. We'd be in the neighborhood of the Isles, Devils, and Canes, and just outside the playoffs.

I read the numbers. I think those projections are majorly flawed for a variety of reasons. Starting with they project each team with the same TOI split for each line and pairing which is a very poor assumption. Then all the rookie projections always have to be taken with a grain of salt. Then you just have certain things you look at that don't really add up - such as like the TB L4 in 15% TOI having almost the same projection as the Barzal line at 35%? McDavid/Draisaitl being worse than a lot of lines? Not to mention they are really odd on guys with minimal previous playing time and make Texier look like a superstar (as they mention). Not to mention they have TB projected to be near the best team of all time which does not seem like it can be close to a median projection.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Panarin Mika Kakko
Kreider Chytil Buchnevich
Namestnikov Strome Kravtsov
Lemieux Howden Fast
Nieves

Skjei Trouba
Staal DeAngelo
Hajek Fox
Smith

Hank/Georgiev

Rykov Shesterkin and Lias start in Hartford.

Was really hoping we could move namestnikov but it isn’t looking like it. At least not yet. But that’s a very deep group imo with good goaltending

Gonna be an interesting battle between Rykov and Hajek. While Hajek did well in his cup of coffee in the NHL, he was inconsistent throughout the year in the AHL. I think Rykovs experience in a pro league has him a notch above Hajek but it remains to be seen how his game will transfer to the North American rink size, language, etc - so there will be a bit of a learning curve that will warrant some AHL time possibly. Interesting to see what happens there.

And with buyout of Shattenkirk, Fox pretty much has a job to lose on that third pairing. He will be as green as they come and the guys he defended against at Harvard are probably all AHL level talent, scratching the surface as NHL 4th liners at the most. I'm a little scared about that to be honest.

This defense is going to continue to be an issue. What happens if Skjei and Trouba don't gel? And Staal getting second pairing minutes? YUCK. Really need DeAngelo to take the next step. Could be another long season back there.

 

[NYR Viper]

im sorry but there are teams that got weaker.

not better
pitts - lost kessel and getting older
cbus - duh
the piles - not buying it
the canes - gimicky

better
devs- stronger
flyers- improved

same
wash- always tough

The Canes being 'gimicky' doesn't change the fact that they have improved and area young, up and coming team.

The Isles lost no one from last years team which was very solidly coached and played well pretty much all season.

Columbus still has some good young players and a very deep defensive core.

Pittsburgh is still considerably better than this Ranger team

 

[offdacrossbar]

Yeah they also lost Hayes and Zuccarello and were remarkably healthy last year. Yes we have exciting young players but that also means growing pains. On top of that we have an aging Hank. You mention that if Hank struggles they will just immediately insert Georgiev. What if he struggles in his sophomore season? How long of a leash will the Rangers give Hank to work out of his struggles early in the season? 10 games? 15 games? If the team significantly struggles for those 10-15 games while they are trying to work out their goalie situation that could tank the season right there.

I'm not seeing it. Their center depth alone is horrid AND they are in a division with teams who are all better than them right now (exception being maybe the Devils but they really improved as well this off-season)

agreed the middle is weak

but bank on this. they know the center ice position is weak

if its not in house, ala chytl, howden, strome or names/andersson, and perhaps even kakko, then they will address that.

this team will surprise.

defensively we will be better.

offensively we will be better

speacial teams esp. the PP will be better

 

[offdacrossbar]

The Canes being 'gimicky' doesn't change the fact that they have improved and area young, up and coming team.

The Isles lost no one from last years team which was very solidly coached and played well pretty much all season.

Columbus still has some good young players and a very deep defensive core.

Pittsburgh is still considerably better than this Ranger team

um...

 

[NYR Viper]

agreed the middle is weak

but bank on this. they know the center ice position is weak

if its not in house, ala chytl, howden, strome or names/andersson, and perhaps even kakko, then they will address that.

this team will surprise.

defensively we will be better.

offensively we will be better

speacial teams esp. the PP will be better

I respectfully disagree. I think we'll see stretches of good to great play and then stretches where they struggle. Overall, .500 is about where I expect the team to be assuming no major health issues. If Zibanejad goes down for 10+ games it will get very ugly very quickly.

 

[NYR Viper]

um...

In a Trotz coached system I put very little value on who is in goal. And they added Varlamov

 

[Irishguy42]

Islanders didn't play well last year. Not sure what you're on, but please share it.

 

[SA16]

Islanders were a bad team last year. They are a worse team this year.

Imagine how good they would be if they played in Nassau Coliseum for every home game though. Wow. It's a nice arena.

 

[egelband]

I think it's safe to consider that 75 point projection to be a "baseline" scenario. More than any other sport, hockey is determined by luck, injuries, hot goalies, breakout rookies... So I guess 75 points is reasonable and fair as a baseline but it's not likely to be right, or even close.

 

[bbny]

IMO there is no wrong projection for the Rangers this year. I could see about every different scenario playing out. They are probably the toughest team to project for. They could be anywhere from cellar dwellers to playoff contender. Talking a 25-30 point range of where they could realistcally end up.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

It will be a very long fall and winter here.

 

[Leetch3]

people said the same thing last summer...there was no chance that we'd ever be bad enough to get a top pick

 

[Raspewtin]

this nyr team right now- the way its configured, will have more than 75 points.

thats a joke.

this team will push for a playoff spot.

my lord.

we kept CK, added panarin, kakko and kravtsov plus trouba and fox.

if george outplays hank, lets him be the #1.

stupid

I mean the writers make it very clear that the young players can wildly swing expectations.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

If the young guys play well that projection will increase. Our team has so many unknowns on it right now you can't even make a proper projection at this point. If the young guys up front play as well as we hope they can I think it's a low bubble team. I still think their young D keeps them from making the playoffs outright. And yeah, I'm still hoping for Byfield, but I'm hoping for progression and success of our young players more, which is not in line with a Byfield wish.

 

[LORDE]

Gonna be an interesting battle between Rykov and Hajek. While Hajek did well in his cup of coffee in the NHL, he was inconsistent throughout the year in the AHL. I think Rykovs experience in a pro league has him a notch above Hajek but it remains to be seen how his game will transfer to the North American rink size, language, etc - so there will be a bit of a learning curve that will warrant some AHL time possibly. Interesting to see what happens there.

And with buyout of Shattenkirk, Fox pretty much has a job to lose on that third pairing. He will be as green as they come and the guys he defended against at Harvard are probably all AHL level talent, scratching the surface as NHL 4th liners at the most. I'm a little scared about that to be honest.

This defense is going to continue to be an issue. What happens if Skjei and Trouba don't gel? And Staal getting second pairing minutes? YUCK. Really need DeAngelo to take the next step. Could be another long season back there.

So much this. I get the excitement and I know it'll be a fun season to watch at least (hopefully anyway) but to expect this defense to be that much better when really all you can say is that the addition of Trouba will help. Otherwise, ADA needs to pick up where he left off and then we need big things from rookies.

If Hank and Geo have a largely questionable D in front of them again, it's going to be rough on them.

75 points? Maybe a little low... maybe more. Playoffs? I seriously doubt. But again, everything is a question mark right now... I'm going to try to enjoy the ride.

 

[mulli25]

Rangers aren't pushing for a playoff spot without a Henrik pushing for a Vezina

I know there's some reason to be excited for the future, but until some of those projections come to fruition our defense is still a god damn tire fire