Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2019/2020) - DeAngelo and Lemieux Left

[bl02]

Names is Vesey with a 2 way game... Easily pulls in a 2nd/3rd rounder no problem.

Would love to replace the 2020 picks that we traded for fox.

would be lovely to garner a 2nd for Names. Obviously didn't happen now (i'm sure JG tried) but maybe at the deadline things will be different

 

[Avery16]

God no, he is hopefully our #3 LD, and I have hopes that he takes time from Staal on the ice.

Deadcap absolutely more bang for your buck than Smith

 

[Machinehead]

I was told Boo was #1C?

Yes, but only if Kreider is also on the line.

 

[Fitzy]

Lindgren does not have anywhere near the upside of Hajek Rykov or even Reunanen imo.

Which is fine, but doesn't have a huge bearing on who makes the team unless the latter players have higher levels of readiness.

 

[n8]

Lindgren does not have anywhere near the upside of Hajek Rykov or even Reunanen imo.

so play him this season and sell high? I mean ideally we can do that with most of our young Dmen and keep only the very best ones. Even still, even if we trade Skjei and Trouba 3-4 years from now, we will still have such a ridiculous logjam that we'll be forced to trade them away. I hope we don't find ourselves as "close contenders" and just squander all our young assets away on TDL rentals. All that hard work to rebuild and losing them all would be too big of a heart break.

Skjei-Trouba
Miller-Fox
Hajek-Lundkvist
Rykov-Reunanen
Robertson-Keane
Lindgren-Jones

seriously, what are we gonna do with all these defensive prospects? WHY CAN'T I HOLD ALL THESE LIMES???

 

[Dijock94]

so play him this season and sell high? I mean ideally we can do that with most of our young Dmen and keep only the very best ones. Even still, even if we trade Skjei and Trouba 3-4 years from now, we will still have such a ridiculous logjam that we'll be forced to trade them away. I hope we don't find ourselves as "close contenders" and just squander all our young assets away on TDL rentals. All that hard work to rebuild and losing them all would be too big of a heart break.

Skjei-Trouba
Miller-Fox
Hajek-Lundkvist
Rykov-Reunanen
Robertson-Keane
Lindgren-Jones

seriously, what are we gonna do with all these defensive prospects? WHY CAN'T I HOLD ALL THESE LIMES???

Surprised you left DeAngelo out.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Surprised you left DeAngelo out.

DeAngelo and Lemieux left

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yes, but only if Kreider is also on the line.

Synergy

 

[Shesterkybomb]

so play him this season and sell high? I mean ideally we can do that with most of our young Dmen and keep only the very best ones. Even still, even if we trade Skjei and Trouba 3-4 years from now, we will still have such a ridiculous logjam that we'll be forced to trade them away. I hope we don't find ourselves as "close contenders" and just squander all our young assets away on TDL rentals. All that hard work to rebuild and losing them all would be too big of a heart break.

Skjei-Trouba
Miller-Fox
Hajek-Lundkvist
Rykov-Reunanen
Robertson-Keane
Lindgren-Jones

seriously, what are we gonna do with all these defensive prospects? WHY CAN'T I HOLD ALL THESE LIMES???

Half of those young guys wont be impact players, imo Reunanen, Robertson and Lindgren are long shots to be Rangers and I'm still unsure about Jones compared to other players we have. Imo the likely prospects that make it are Fox, Miller,Keane, Hajek, and probably Lundqvist which leaves us with 2 extra when you factor in DeAngelo,who if I'm making a guess isnt with this team in 2 years. The good thing is that most of those guys are young,it really doesnt appear that Miller is in a hurry to quit school and go to New York so that buys some time, I mean Skjei signed a 6 year deal but already one is gone, a guy like Jones might not even be NHL ready by then....have to let it play out

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

I legit forgot about Keane

 

[Ola]

Why, exactly? It was his first full year pro and he was just under a ppg player in the AHL and had like 20 points in 50 NHL games. He’s only 22 years old.

Take this with a huge grain of salt, because I haven't seen him much at all and especially not lately, but I am not sure if he got a strong enough NHL engine top be a good top 6 forward. I know that he has come a long way from the WJC, but the mark he left with me after that tournament still sticks. Couldn't skate at the pace there.

 

[Ola]

I honestly wouldn't mind Fiala from Minny in a Kreider trade. No arb. righs. Trade Kreider for him, sign him for 4 years at 3.5m or something.

 

[RangerBoy]

HENRIK LUNDQVIST

Age: 37

2018-19 stats: 18-23-10 record, 52 games played, 3.07 goals against average, .907 save percentage
2019-20 outlook: There’s always some level of awkwardness when it comes to an aging legend, especially once signs of diminishing performance begin to show up. Of course, any player of Lundqvist's status — who has poured his heart and soul into the team for 14 seasons — deserves to finish his career gracefully. But there may come a time when an uncomfortable decision must be made for the betterment of the team.

The Rangers have yet to reach that point, even if a small-but-vocal portion of the fan base is pushing for Lundqvist to be replaced. But the reality is that one of the greatest goaltenders in franchise history has seen his GAA rise for four consecutive seasons, with 2018-19 marking the first time in his career that it eclipsed three goals per game. His .907 SV% was also the worst of his career.

Truth is truth.

Lundqvist has earned the right to enter training camp as the starter and get one more chance to show he can still be a winning goalie in this league. If he takes another step back, the Rangers have exciting young players (we’ll get to them in a moment) ready to assume bigger roles. But the best-case scenario for the Rangers would be for Lundqvist to play well, allowing them to develop and evaluate his potential replacements. With two years at an average annual value of $8.5 million remaining on his contract, any other path could turn ugly.

Ugly is the right word.

Shattenkirk said he didn't sign up for a rebuild. He came here thinking the Rangers would be a competitive team. They lost to Ottawa in the 2nd round in 2017. The Rangers should have won that series. Lundqvist was awful in the Ottawa series.

You know Lundqvist hates the rebuild/build/retool. He hears JD using the words "process" and "patience" and his beard gets more and more gray hairs.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I honestly wouldn't mind Fiala from Minny in a Kreider trade. No arb. righs. Trade Kreider for him, sign him for 4 years at 3.5m or something.

I'd actually prefer a 1st rounder and a prospect for him much like Hayes got. The reason being is that we are so young now we really dont know what our need is going forward, right now it appears to be a 2c, but if you asked me last year it was wingers but adding Panarin, Kakko and Kravtsov kinda changed that. The biggest need might be having players on entry level contracts later on.

 

[RGY]

And over the last 2 seasons at minimum, the defensive group has been the worst its ever been. Could be argued it was just as bad 3 and 4 years ago.

Yes Hank is getting older. Yes he couldnt keep up the same elite numbers he had been putting up.

But to put it all on him is lazy and negligent analysis

 

[Raspewtin]

Fiala for Kreider would be a great trade imo

 

[Rongomania]

Truth is truth.



Ugly is the right word.

Shattenkirk said he didn't sign up for a rebuild. He came here thinking the Rangers would be a competitive team. They lost to Ottawa in the 2nd round in 2017. The Rangers should have won that series. Lundqvist was awful in the Ottawa series.

You know Lundqvist hates the rebuild/build/retool. He hears JD using the words "process" and "patience" and his beard gets more and more gray hairs.

A combination of AV/Staal&Holden out there together in the final minutes of games lost us that series.

Karlsson was making **** happen all over the ice and Turris was a beast.

Lundqvist was fine.

So many factors which perturbed me in that series.

 

[Kovalev27]

Truth is truth.



Ugly is the right word.

Shattenkirk said he didn't sign up for a rebuild. He came here thinking the Rangers would be a competitive team. They lost to Ottawa in the 2nd round in 2017. The Rangers should have won that series. Lundqvist was awful in the Ottawa series.

You know Lundqvist hates the rebuild/build/retool. He hears JD using the words "process" and "patience" and his beard gets more and more gray hairs.

Craig Anderson was horrible and hank was even worse. We should have won that series and would have been a much tougher opponent for the penguins with were battling health issues.

Can’t always just be we didn’t win because of everyone else but hank. He also coughed up multiple goal leads to the Kings in the Final. Hasek Brodeur Roy probably win that series with those leads. I love Hank but he’s got this untouchable aura around him that you can’t criticize him. Never seen anything like it for a player paid more than anyone else on the team for years without a championship.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Athletic projected the final standings for the 2019-20 season.

75 points.

75 points is 7th worst in the NHL.

If a rookie or prospect outside the NHL wasn’t included in our WAR data set, we used the value of a replacement level player – so there’s obviously room for improvement there.

The Rangers young players are the wildcards.

75 points. It will be a very long fall and winter here.

It would be the best outcome for the Rangers. They get another top pick. The lottery balls fall into place again and they get Byfield, Lafreniere or one of the two Swedes. Holtz or Raymond.

The Rangers young players gain a full year of NHL experience. Top pick in the draft. Another 1st rounder for Kreider. A 2nd for Namestnikov.

 

[Blue Blooded]

Fiala had a great year in 17-18 on a line with Turris and Smith, but struggled in 18-19 as Turris' play declined badly. He had very good results with other centers in Nashville and had mostly poor shooting luck in Minnesota as well as getting paired with a struggling Kunin for half his TOI.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I'd actually prefer a 1st rounder and a prospect for him much like Hayes got. The reason being is that we are so young now we really dont know what our need is going forward, right now it appears to be a 2c, but if you asked me last year it was wingers but adding Panarin, Kakko and Kravtsov kinda changed that. The biggest need might be having players on entry level contracts later on.

I wouldn't. That pick could be years away. Fiala is still young and could be a key core piece when we are ready to begin pushing for a PO spot in a year or two.

 

[offdacrossbar]

this nyr team right now- the way its configured, will have more than 75 points.

thats a joke.

this team will push for a playoff spot.

my lord.

we kept CK, added panarin, kakko and kravtsov plus trouba and fox.

if george outplays hank, lets him be the #1.

stupid

 

[Kovalev27]

this nyr team right now- the way its configured, will have more than 75 points.

thats a joke.

this team will push for a playoff spot.

my lord.

we kept CK, added panarin, kakko and kravtsov plus trouba and fox.

if george outplays hank, lets him be the #1.

stupid

Agreed. I think we’re going to have a really good season.

 

[Zynbanejad]

this nyr team right now- the way its configured, will have more than 75 points.

thats a joke.

this team will push for a playoff spot.

my lord.

we kept CK, added panarin, kakko and kravtsov plus trouba and fox.

if george outplays hank, lets him be the #1.

stupid

I know I'll get shit, but I consider us contenders...everything is in its right place.

 

[nyr2k2]

I know I'll get ****, but I consider us contenders...everything is in its right place.

I think they could potentially contend for the playoffs.

Anything more than that, and you'd have to bank on young defenders making the team and having a big impact, Kakko and Kravtsov making large, immediate impacts, someone stepping into the 2C spot and performing ably, progression from Chytil, maybe progression from Andersson, and the goaltending to be consistently good, whether it's Lundqvist, Georgiev, or Shesterkin.

That's a lot that has to go right, with basically nothing going wrong, for us to push for anything more than a spot. IMO, anyway.

EDIT: I didn't see the stuff RB posted. I think it's pretty good. Like I said, if the young guys makes big impacts, that 75 points can jump to 85 or 90 points. But if there are growing pains, which their probably will be, maybe it's more like 80, 82 points. I think that's reasonable. We'd be in the neighborhood of the Isles, Devils, and Canes, and just outside the playoffs.