Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2019/2020) - DeAngelo and Lemieux Left

[aufheben]

It’s funny you say that. Because I’ve been stressing urgency since June 1st and we waited and waited and waited and waited and sure enough it’s mid August and the market is dead. We did the same thing last summer

Lots of teams are waiting at the moment. Look how man RFAs (and some UFAs) are still unsigned around the league.

 

[Alluckks]

Tony DeAngelo would beat up all of yous at the same time

 

[Ola]

Tony DeAngelo would beat up all of yous at the same time

One-punch Tony:

 

[Ola]

The offer sheet stuff is ridiculous but it’s even more ridiculous that we didn’t move namestnikov Strome or even Kreider. I certainly don’t want Kreider moved but all three of them being on the roster still is just not a very good job on managements part.

I still think buying out at least Smith, preferably Staal also, would have been the right deal.

 

[Irishguy42]

I still think buying out at least Smith, preferably Staal also, would have been the right deal.

Losing Staal's negative impact on the ice would be far better for this team than the cap space they gained for this one offseason by buying out Shattenkirk.

 

[bobbop]

Outside of kreider? Yes. Strome and or namestnikov should have been moved in the same fashion as jimmy Vesey a while ago.

All things in due time.

 

[darko]

I still think buying out at least Smith, preferably Staal also, would have been the right deal.

Just bury Smith in the A.

 

[Blue Blooded]

Just bury Smith in the A.

It actually works better with the cap if you keep him around as a 13F/7D, since the combined cap hit of the two players that would be required to replace him will exceed the amount of cap we save by burying him - even if they were league minimum contracts at $700k.

 

[Kovalev27]

All things in due time.

Oh stop

 

[RangerBoy]

Sending Smith to the AHL saves $1,075,000. The Rangers will still take a $3,275,000 cap hit. The Rangers need a D to replace Smith. The Rangers won't save much money playing a kid instead of Smith. Are the Rangers playing with their bottom pair made up of all kids? Are the Rangers going with a bottom pair made of Hajek/Fox/Lindgren? Whoever ends up as the 7th D is probably better off playing more minutes in the NHL.

The Rangers don't have any money to get a better veteran D.

The Rangers will need Smith's experience and versatility of playing both sides on D. If Fox needs some time in the AHL, the Rangers don't have many options outside of Smith. He is a below replacement level player but the Rangers are stuck with him.

The Rangers are so young in key spots at center and on D. I read the Rangers should go with Strome as the #2 center. How does that help them get a good read on what they have with their own young centers? The Rangers need a take a big picture point of view.

The Rangers invested first round picks in Andersson and Chytil. They traded for another first round pick in Howden. It's time to see what they can do. Take off the training wheels.

 

[TheTakedown]

Losing Staal's negative impact on the ice would be far better for this team than the cap space they gained for this one offseason by buying out Shattenkirk.

The problem is that a Staal buyout alone would NOT have been enough to get cap compliant...

He would have gotten you half way there, Smith would have gotten you the rest of the way, but now you need another LD, a spare LD, and for the 2 years after the original contacts end, you were looking at DOUBLE the dead cap hit (both Staal and Smith had dead cap hits around $1.1-1.2M/year for 2 years).

Shatts brought the most cap relief now with the least dead cap charge in years 3 and 4 of the buyout.

 

[Tawnos]

Sending Smith to the AHL saves $1,075,000. The Rangers will still take a $3,275,000 cap hit. The Rangers need a D to replace Smith. The Rangers won't save much money playing a kid instead of Smith. Are the Rangers playing with their bottom pair made up of all kids? Are the Rangers going with a bottom pair made of Hajek/Fox/Lindgren? Whoever ends up as the 7th D is probably better off playing more minutes in the NHL.

The Rangers don't have any money to get a better veteran D.

The Rangers will need Smith's experience and versatility of playing both sides on D. If Fox needs some time in the AHL, the Rangers don't have many options outside of Smith. He is a below replacement level player but the Rangers are stuck with him.

The Rangers are so young in key spots at center and on D. I read the Rangers should go with Strome as the #2 center. How does that help them get a good read on what they have with their own young centers? The Rangers need a take a big picture point of view.

The Rangers invested first round picks in Andersson and Chytil. They traded for another first round pick in Howden. It's time to see what they can do. Take off the training wheels.

Who is saying that Strome *should* be the 2C? The position I've seen around here is that he's the guy who slots in that position if no kids are capable of handling it, not the guy you want in that spot.

Overall, I agree on the Smith point (though I think you mean "playing more minutes in the AHL" at the end of your first paragraph there).

 

[Tawnos]

The problem is that a Staal buyout alone would NOT have been enough to get cap compliant...

He would have gotten you half way there, Smith would have gotten you the rest of the way, but now you need another LD, a spare LD, and for the 2 years after the original contacts end, you were looking at DOUBLE the dead cap hit (both Staal and Smith had dead cap hits around $1.1-1.2M/year for 2 years).

Shatts brought the most cap relief now with the least dead cap charge in years 3 and 4 of the buyout.

Don't you know that the ONLY factor in decision making is on-ice impact?!?

 

[Irishguy42]

Finding two LD to replace Staal and Smith is really not as difficult as you make it seem, and having that dead cap in Y3/4 really won't be an issue unless everyone on their ELC currently really busts out and gets big money on their second contract.

 

[SA16]

Staal should have just been traded to Minnesota for Zucker before Fenton got fired.

 

[Vitto79]

I still fail to see how sending Smith down does much at all it’s like 400k .... go 7 D w Smith as the LD/RD spare and just call up a kid when needed

 

[Tawnos]

Staal should have just been traded to Minnesota for Zucker before Fenton got fired.

That would've been fine. The ideal scenario for this entire thing would've been to find a trade partner for any of the 3S group, but we weren't able to.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Staal should have just been traded to Minnesota for Zucker before Fenton got fired.

Perhaps we still can!

Do they need a mentor to help with defensive zone coverage via not being able to do anything with the puck?

 

[Irishguy42]

I still fail to see how sending Smith down does much at all it’s like 400k .... go 7 D w Smith as the LD/RD spare and just call up a kid when needed

Saving $1.075M is actually a decent amount of cap space.

 

[Vitto79]

Saving $1.075M is actually a decent amount of cap space.

It’s not saving that they still need a player at 700 k min to take his spot

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Saving $1.075M is actually a decent amount of cap space.

Except you then need to replace him with a player making $730K (Raddysh) to $925K (Rykov or Lindgren) + bonuses.

 

[Irishguy42]

It’s not saving that they still need a player at 700 k min to take his spot

Hmmmmmm...yes....yessssssssssssss...this is true.

 

[Irishguy42]

Except you then need to replace him with a player making $730K (Raddysh) to $925K (Rykov or Lindgren) + bonuses.

See my above post

 

[TheTakedown]

Saving $1.075M is actually a decent amount of cap space.

and then you need to replace that guy with, at minimum, a $600k player

 

[Tawnos]

The main thing that $1.075m of Smith being able to be buried gives you the option of bringing up a kid when/if they're ready.