Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2019/2020) - DeAngelo and Lemieux Left

[NYR Viper]

DeAngelo's skill is his ability to not just move the puck, but move the puck to a player's stick who is in a good position to make a good play. His patience and ability to wait for lanes to open or create lanes is the best on the team. It's not really close.

For a guy who isn't the fastest (I'd label him as elusive but not fast), he uses his ability to smoothly pivot his hips to open up space for himself very well.

Hopefully Fox can develop into something similar.

 

[Thirty One]

I’m all about re-signing Claesson if possible.

It's not 2018 anymore.

 

[True Blue]

I don't know where you get this idea from. He wins more races and below-goal-line battles than anyone on this defense last year.


The post directly above this one says otherwise.

Fine. I stand corrected. There is one person saying that.

I would not say that he always looses battles. But his size tends to leave him open to getting out muscled. There are very few smallish defensemen that can overcome that. I can't lie. Having 2/3 of the right side being manned by two smallish, puck moving defenseman is a concern. Maybe not to you.

As for the other part, you do not think that stating that he is already better than Trouba is a sing of people not underrating him?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I would trade Strome for a 3rd and sign Brassard at 1yr/1mill

not that I like Brassard much anymore but if we're gonna have a "stopgap" center in case Chytil/Lias fall on their faces, I'd rather the cheaper and likely more effective one.

Brassard is too slow for the nhl now, he really would fit much worse than Strome does. I'm not sure why everyone is dumping Strome, after the Hayes trade he played pretty well imo,our team wasnt good but he was one of the few bright spots later on. Add to that he is still relatively young, maybe he brings another level again next year and we moved him for a 3rd and a year of Brassard...no thanks. I'd take Andersson at center right now over Brassard, he has been that bad the last two years.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

DeAngelo's skill is his ability to not just move the puck, but move the puck to a player's stick who is in a good position to make a good play. His patience and ability to wait for lanes to open or create lanes is the best on the team. It's not really close.

For a guy who isn't the fastest (I'd label him as elusive but not fast), he uses his ability to smoothly pivot his hips to open up space for himself very well.

Hopefully Fox can develop into something similar.

He's also got another skill that I don't see brought up often enough - he's an agitator. Once he hones his rat powers into being a controlled pest that will be value added.

 

[will1066]

He's also got another skill that I don't see brought up often enough - he's an agitator. Once he hones his rat powers into being a controlled pest that will be value added.

He's a potential rat who's already shown that he can fight, so he'd back up his yack.

 

[bbny]

DeAngelo is good defensively. I can't believe this is still a thing that needs to be argued.

Imagine having this bad of an opinion.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

DeAngelo is a good player, not ever going to be elite or anything, some people feel he is the 2nd coming of Leetch for some reason. I like him but there is still a possibility the coach doesnt play him all 82 games much like last year so maybe we should all take a step back and think about that. I as well am not comfortable with our d for next year but ofcourse that doesnt really matter, it's what it looks like the following year. If DeAngelo becomes the player his skillset dictates he should be we might surprise some people, if he fails and Fox has to take a top 4 role it's not ideal.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

After NYE DeAngelo got the second most 5v5 TOI/GP on the team after Skjei, he got the most defensively geared deployment of all the RDs (including McQuaid) and was paired with a struggling Marc Staal for roughly 50% of his minutes. Despite this he outperformed Trouba in basically every important metric and if you dig into his numbers the difference between his minutes with Staal and the minutes away from him is insane.

Comparing Trouba's 5v5 numbers with DeAngelo's in 2019:

Player	GP	TOI/GP	TOI/GP Rank	P/60	CF%	RelCF%	xGF%	RelxGF%	GF%	RelGF%	ZSR
DeAngelo	36	16:28	2nd	1.11	47.01	+0.28	50.91	+3.07	57.89	+18.87	42.98
Trouba	43	17:18	2nd	0.81	48.13	+1.43	45.77	+1.18	45.31	-8.74	50.76

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

So despite playing with worse partners on a significantly worse team, DeAngelo put up overall much better numbers. But the ridicuous part comes when you look at DeAngelo's splits with different partners in 2019:

Partner	TOI	CF%	xGF%	GF%	ZSR
Staal	355:55	43.45	47.25	48.48	39.92
Skjei	81:37	53.89	59.02	87.50	41.67
Shattenkirk	43:28	56.10	60.31	71.43	46.15
“The rest”	111:37	48.97	52.03	55.56	59.52

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

For comparison, Staal's numbers in 2019 away from DeAngelo:

Partner	TOI	CF%	xGF%	GF%	ZSR
Without DeAngelo	218:27	40.92	40.23	17.65	35.59

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Half of that TOI is on the post-deadline Rangers without Hayes/Zucc and with a limping Kreider.

2 things...

1. Excellent f***ing post.
2. LOL at Staal's GF% away from DeAngelo.

 

[nyr2k2]

Well, I for one am looking forward to Tony DeAngelo hoisting the Norris Trophy this year.

 

[Leetch3]

are the young dmen better off in hartford working with gord murphy or ny working with ruff?

 

[Thirty One]

are the young dmen better off in hartford working with gord murphy or ny working with ruff?

Both are going to literally murder any of them.

 

[aufheben]

So appropriate:

 

[will1066]

are the young dmen better off in hartford working with gord murphy or ny working with ruff?

Are the young dmen better off learning how to quarterback the power play with Artemi Panarin or viewing instructional tapes left behind by Scott Arniel?

 

[Irishguy42]

@bbny

 

[Raspewtin]

if Tony D has Anger Point I think we're set for life.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Well, I for one am looking forward to Tony DeAngelo hoisting the Norris Trophy this year.

Nice. Talk about a make or break year for a young player. He'll get regular run this season, but the acquisitions of Trouba and Fox make his long-term future with the Rangers a little cloudier. Cleaning up his attitude issues seems like a good place to start.

 

[Irishguy42]

Fox is not a sure thing. For the time being, he does not threaten Tony's spot.

 

[Ola]

Do you want Drury to be pulling in a different direction than the rest of management or something?

But you must understand what I mean? Sometimes you are impressed by someone, sometimes you aren’t. Could of course be a boat load I am missing, but you get what I mean.

And I wasn’t comparing him to anything in the organization, but like there are many guys out there that can be interviewed for 5 full minutes and add something meaningful, nuance something, whatever, besides the total cliches.

 

[Ola]

Fox is not a sure thing. For the time being, he does not threaten Tony's spot.

I agree, but the PP is big for these guys and if Fox dress for a game he (i) is a sure thing to be able to play well on a PP in the NHL, and (ii) he could threaten Tony D there.

 

[will1066]

@bbny

Green Shirt Guy, the latest internet sensation, needs to be an always-ready gif for Staal's own-zone gaffes this year.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Replacing Staal with a decent defenseman would do wonders. Hoping one of the rookie D can somehow move ahead of him in the pecking order.

 

[Mandar]

He's also got another skill that I don't see brought up often enough - he's an agitator. Once he hones his rat powers into being a controlled pest that will be value added.

He has a huge lack of skill when it comes to shooting the puck....not a little issue, no...its a major thing. If his role is to just pass the puck around on the PP and maker pretty stretch passes....and it makes us better, then sure, he is a Norris candidate. But if the ability to shoot the puck means anything for a defenseman......

 

[Zibanejbread]

ADA for Norris
Kakko for Calder
Georgiev for Vezina
Panarin for Hart

new era begun

 

[Ola]

DeAngelo's skill is his ability to not just move the puck, but move the puck to a player's stick who is in a good position to make a good play. His patience and ability to wait for lanes to open or create lanes is the best on the team. It's not really close.

For a guy who isn't the fastest (I'd label him as elusive but not fast), he uses his ability to smoothly pivot his hips to open up space for himself very well.

Hopefully Fox can develop into something similar.

Yeah, and what has almost blown me away a bit from day 1 is just how — fast — he moves the puck when there is an opening, and still manage to hold on to it and be patient when that is required.

Almost all PMDs are guilty of over playing the puck a little here and there. They have some marginals and options and usually something else opens up if one option is closed out. But when TDA hits the ice he just pushes the puck tempo a lot, and he does it really well.

The thing also is lol, it’s — far — from the most fun way to play. You must be very disciplined. And it requires a lot of patience in your teammates at lower levels. It’s obviously something he has worked on for a long time. TDA doesn’t fit the bill at all. I bet my right arm there are some kick arse coach from his youth days or really wise parent or something like that who really pushed him in this area.

 

[Irishguy42]

I agree, but the PP is big for these guys and if Fox dress for a game he (i) is a sure thing to be able to play well on a PP in the NHL, and (ii) he could threaten Tony D there.

Yes. He could. But Tony is an established Top 4 player who can run the PP and can hold his own on the top pairing.

Fox would have to blow several doors off at camp to take that over.

Overall, if Fox is good, then a RD of:

Trouba
ADA
Fox

is good to have. It's just the left-side that gets wonky.