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Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2019/2020) - DeAngelo and Lemieux Left

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nyr2k2 said:
While I don't totally disagree, if negotiations on a one-year deal cause him to become disengaged and his play to suffer, then I'd be inclined to believe the guy does have some serious maturity issues and I'd be reluctant to commit long term. If there's a negative response, I'd expect, "well **** them, I won't re-sign here when I hit UFA." If it's some sort of hurt feelings, lack of motivation, disengaged response, **** him. Guy is gonna be 24 and should understand the business aspect at this point.

I'm not saying the Rangers should offer him $800K, take-it-or-leave-it. But $1.1M? $1.2M? Something in the ballpark of the original QO? I think that's fair and proper.
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I'm definitely projecting my hopes, fears, and dreams onto ADA. I just want the best for him. He has the raw tools and it'd be a shame to go to waste.
 
bobbop said:
We are tying ourselves in a knot over the expansion draft that's two years away. D'Angelo has to improve his defensive game. Hajak has five NHL impressive games under his belt after a very lackluster AHL season. Skeji is like a box of chocolates.

Plus at this point, we have no idea how Fox, Lundqvist, Rykov, Robertson, Jones and Lindgren will progress and become viable alternatives.

Check with me in a year and a half when we have more information and I'll tell you how we should deal with this.
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Skjei is more like a Whitman sampler than Ghiradelli’s if he’s a box of chocolates.
 
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I could see Rangers giving Brassard a PTO invite.

Its August 8th and there are still a lot of veterans unsigned. Even some that will still get decent money such as Gardiner. But the cap crunch could lead to guys like Brassard having to sign on the cheap.
 
That are the D pairs this season?

Skjei-Trouba
Staal-ADA
Smith/Hajek/Fox

The Rangers aren’t sending Smith down to the AHL. They aren’t going with 3 young players for their 5/6/7. Smith in the AHL saves just $1,075,000. Going with a young player making. $925,000 saves just $150,000 on the cap. They will look to have more experience on D.

That’s the D corps of a playoff team?

Staal and Smith are terrible. ADA can go either way. He can build off of last season or he could regress. There were times last season where the coaching staff had to babysit Tony. Dave Maloney discussed some situations in his podcast but he never revealed any details. Skjei is coming off another disappointing season. Maybe reuniting him with Trouba will wake him up. Fox has no pro playing experience. Hajek has five NHL games on his resume. Trouba is the only sure thing on D.
 
RGY said:
I could see Rangers giving Brassard a PTO invite.

Its August 8th and there are still a lot of veterans unsigned. Even some that will still get decent money such as Gardiner. But the cap crunch could lead to guys like Brassard having to sign on the cheap.
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Brass is not the same player from 2014-15. You guys keep thinking it’s 2015. How does Brassard help this Rangers team?

Ottawa
Pittsburgh
Florida
Colorado
 
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RangerBoy said:
That are the D pairs this season?

Skjei-Trouba
Staal-ADA
Smith/Hajek/Fox

The Rangers aren’t sending Smith down to the AHL. They aren’t going with 3 young players for their 5/6/7. Smith in the AHL saves just $1,075,000. Going with a young player making. $925,000 saves just $150,000 on the cap. They will look to have more experience on D.

That’s the D corps of a playoff team?

Staal and Smith are terrible. ADA can go either way. He can build off of last season or he could regress. There were times last season where the coaching staff had to babysit Tony. Dave Maloney discussed some situations in his podcast but he never revealed any details. Skjei is coming off another disappointing season. Maybe reuniting him with Trouba will wake him up. Fox has no pro playing experience. Hajek has five NHL games on his resume. Trouba is the only sure thing on D.
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There is a non-zero chance we'll see significant minutes of Staal-Trouba considering Staal has been the designated shutdown defenceman and DQ might decide that out of Trouba/ADA/Fox, Trouba is the best suited for those minutes.
 
Raspewtin said:
feel like it's getting to the point where ADA is getting underrated.

he's definitely hyper aggressive and sometimes doesn't know when to pick his spots but the idea that he constantly loses battles and gets out-muscled is hogwash IMO.
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Underrated? You have people suggesting that he was already better than Trouba last year. And no one said the constantly loses battles.
 
I think people are sometimes confusing DeAngelo's off ice "issues" with his on ice performance. He's going to perform well on the ice. There is some question whether he can stay on the coaches good side with off the ice stuff though. And it doesn't sound like major or bad off the ice stuff but he was scratched last year for a few things and he needs to fix that.
If he's on the ice though I have absolutely no doubt he's going to be probably the teams best transition defenseman and best defenseman in the offensive zone, and his defense gets severely underrated. Everyone looks at the things he is not quite as good at (strength, sometimes gambling on things) and ignores the fact that he does a great job getting the puck out of the defensive zone and not spending all his time trying to defend. The positives outweigh the negatives by a fair bit and it'd be a shame if this team punts him because they are unable to evaluate a defensemans play
e: I think ideally he's a 2nd pairing defenseman who can crush the weaker competition he'd get in that role and excel on the PP
 
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Irishguy42 said:
DeAngelo is good defensively. I can't believe this is still a thing that needs to be argued.
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I think its more about being given the opportunity and show he warrants trust more than anything. he is definitely capable.
 
I would trade Strome for a 3rd and sign Brassard at 1yr/1mill

not that I like Brassard much anymore but if we're gonna have a "stopgap" center in case Chytil/Lias fall on their faces, I'd rather the cheaper and likely more effective one.
 
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Listing all the names of the blueliners doesn't tell us much about their overall quality. There are too many unknown variables there. There's too much we don't know about the quality of the young rookies, as well as Skjei's partnership with Trouba, and DeAngelo's continued development.
 
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Calad said:
Hitting and being physical are not the same. I've always seen him as a physical player that is willing to muck it up, he just doesn't have the size to throw big hits. He's also a pest, talks a good amount of trash on the ice
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Okay--he doesn't throw a lot of hits and he's not getting crushed very often either. He's not big or particularly strong and gets outmuscled often by bigger, stronger guys. See I think of physical play as the ability to give and take hits without getting knocked on your ass all the time and being able to fight for and win pucks in in close battles and sometimes quickness wins the battle but more often the bigger, stronger guy comes away with the puck. We see teams stock up on players for the playoffs all the time and often they're bigger forwards that muck and grind and win board battles. That to me is not one of Tony's strengths.

I don't look at getting in scrums and fights necessarily as playing physical. That's not part of the game to game grind--hitting and taking hits is. I like that he does do that though. He certainly isn't afraid of anybody.
 
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eco's bones said:
Okay--he doesn't throw a lot of hits and he's not getting crushed very often either. He's not big or particularly strong and gets outmuscled often by bigger, stronger guys. See I think of physical play as the ability to give and take hits without getting knocked on your ass all the time and being able to fight for and win pucks in in close battles and sometimes quickness wins the battle but more often the bigger, stronger guy comes away with the puck. We see teams stock up on players for the playoffs all the time and often they're bigger forwards that muck and grind and win board battles. That to me is not one of Tony's strengths.

I don't look at getting in scrums and fights necessarily as playing physical. That's not part of the game to game grind--hitting and taking hits is. I like that he does do that though. He certainly isn't afraid of anybody.
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I don't know where you get this idea from. He wins more races and below-goal-line battles than anyone on this defense last year.

True Blue said:
Underrated? You have people suggesting that he was already better than Trouba last year. And no one said the constantly loses battles.
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The post directly above this one says otherwise.
 
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we aren't signing a depth dman unless trades are made to clear cap space...we don't have room. and the guys you'd be looking at will probably still be available during preseason/training camp if it becomes clear that fox will start in hartford.

to me it makes little sense to bury smith and then sign another vet to save $300k...might as well just keep smith as the spare
 
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