Speculation: Roster Building Thread I (2019/2020) - A Day in the Life

[Irishguy42]

Yeah, the numbers don't lie, they were not AMAZING together as a pairing even as far back as under Renney. Not godawful, mind you, but not great either.

 

[LannyMcdonald]

100% The strength of the 2 of them together is either a factor of revisionists history or grossly overrated.

It is however, a shame that Staal at his best never had the chance to play with a comparable RH talent. He's either had to carry an inferior player or vice versa.

I just recall the excitement at what a good D core we were building in early 2011:
Staal - G
McD - Sauer
MDZ - Stralman

In the moment, it looked great.

 

[Blue Blooded]

Staal-Rozsival OTOH, now that was a legitimately good pairing. As was Staal-Strålman. Something tells me that the driving factor in those pairings was the RD though.

 

[Machinehead]

@Machinehead

I probably wouldn't even react tbh.

You reach a point where the team is so dumb that it's not even worth it.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I just recall the excitement at what a good D core we were building in early 2011:
Staal - G
McD - Sauer
MDZ - Stralman

In the moment, it looked great.

It really should have been.

Injuries, development stalling and derpy decisions ended up being the end of that group.

The stralman decision is low key the biggest blunder this team has made since the lockout. At the very least, they make it to the finals again had they kept him in 2015.

 

[Doctyl]

Honestly, how do you even recall let alone differentiate between such detail? I picture you with VHS tapes of 2004 preseason games at your moms house.

Might this be why the eye test is absolute shit?

 

[gravey9]

It really should have been.

Injuries, development stalling and derpy decisions ended up being the end of that group.

The stralman decision is low key the biggest blunder this team has made since the lockout. At the very least, they make it to the finals again had they kept him in 2015.

In retrospect, I think the personnel decisions were based on models that were more like Chicago and Pittsburgh where you can swap very good secondary talent without much of a hiccup from year to year. But that was the mistake. We were a team with almost entirely secondary talent whose sum was greater than its parts and letting Stralman walk and trading Hagelin were the two biggest death blows to going deep in the playoffs. Hagelin's salary demands made him impossible to keep. But Stralman absolutely should have stayed over G or Staal.

#1 must-get-it-right in the cap era is properly identifying your core players. And from there maintaining flexibility with the secondary talent on roster.

I just pray we've signed/drafted 85% of our core at this point and that it's the right guys.... little nervous the team is currently built more for a fantasy league than winning a Stanley Cup. Time will tell.

 

[Procrastinator]

Natural Stat Trick

It isn't hard to look these things up.

PS: My mom has a DVD player.

Your mom? Man I feel old.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Your mom? Man I feel old.

If it makes you feel any better, at least you’re not @jas old.

 

[BBKers]

Signing Priskie as a UFA on August 15 would now be a very shrewd move. Do - however - not think it is in the cards

 

[Levitate]

Stralman was booted because he was an offensive black hole for whatever reason. The Rangers got so little production from their D that it was definitely a concern, which is why they went after Boyle.

It all should have been done differently for sure, but the Rangers were getting so little offensive from the blueline they felt they had to do something

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Stralman was booted because he was an offensive black hole for whatever reason. The Rangers got so little production from their D that it was definitely a concern, which is why they went after Boyle.

It all should have been done differently for sure, but the Rangers were getting so little offensive from the blueline they felt they had to do something

And that’s a shame because his transition game was very good.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

That’s part of it, but Girardi being kept really spelled the end for Stralman.

Always bothered me how Slats did the right thing by drawing a hard line with Callahan but failed to do so with G and Staal

 

[haohmaru]

surely this is sarcasm

Yes. Hence the "too soon?".

 

[NYR Viper]

Signing Priskie as a UFA on August 15 would now be a very shrewd move. Do - however - not think it is in the cards

Hear anything on that Russian UFA?

 

[Lays]

I just recall the excitement at what a good D core we were building in early 2011:
Staal - G
McD - Sauer
MDZ - Stralman

In the moment, it looked great.

To be honest that’s an incredible defense if all were in their prime. Injuries just did Staal and Sauer in and Girardi’s body just got a ton of mileage

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

That’s part of it, but Girardi being kept really spelled the end for Stralman.

Always bothered me how Slats did the right thing by drawing a hard line with Callahan but failed to do so with G and Staal

They both came in below $6m

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

What is this, the roster building thread from 2014? Get this discussion back to the Staal thread, you troglodytes.

 

[Ghost of jas]

If it makes you feel any better, at least you’re not @jas old.

Mentally, I am forever 15.

 

[Procrastinator]

Mentally, I am forever 15.

My wife has the same complaint about me.

 

[Ghost of jas]

My wife has the same complaint about me.

One of the joys of manhood.

 

[JuiceNF]

My wife has the same complaint about me.

A pain I know well.

 

[eco's bones]

In retrospect, I think the personnel decisions were based on models that were more like Chicago and Pittsburgh where you can swap very good secondary talent without much of a hiccup from year to year. But that was the mistake. We were a team with almost entirely secondary talent whose sum was greater than its parts and letting Stralman walk and trading Hagelin were the two biggest death blows to going deep in the playoffs. Hagelin's salary demands made him impossible to keep. But Stralman absolutely should have stayed over G or Staal.

#1 must-get-it-right in the cap era is properly identifying your core players. And from there maintaining flexibility with the secondary talent on roster.

I just pray we've signed/drafted 85% of our core at this point and that it's the right guys.... little nervous the team is currently built more for a fantasy league than winning a Stanley Cup. Time will tell.

It was a mistake not hanging on to Stralman but they could have. Sather followed that mistake by signing Dan Boyle who was washed up and cranky.

 

[Ola]

My understanding is that he's been trying to trade him non-stop since like January.

Yup, Gorton started shopping Shatty 6 months to late. The writing was on the wall that that mistake was going to be very very costly for this organization.

So the real question shouldn’t be whether it was right to buy him out now or not, it should be — why the heck wasn’t Gorts doing everything possible to deal Shatty at the draft in 2018 and the coming weeks? And why on earth wasn’t their an outcry in media because nothing was done?

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Yup, Gorton started shopping Shatty 6 months to late. The writing was on the wall that that mistake was going to be very very costly for this organization.

So the real question shouldn’t be whether it was right to buy him out now or not, it should be — why the heck wasn’t Gorts doing everything possible to deal Shatty at the draft in 2018 and the coming weeks? And why on earth wasn’t their an outcry in media because nothing was done?

Ahh yes, teams would've wanted him after he missed half the season with a big knee injury