Speculation: Roster Building Thread I (2019/2020) - A Day in the Life

[LiveLongandProspal]

This is still a rebuild, getting DeAngelo and Fox the ice time to work through inconsistencies and prove themselves is a priority

Is it though? A team with Panarin, Zibanejad, Trouba, Skjei and Lundqvist is still a rebuilding team?

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Trouba has been very healthy recently and when you've backed yourself into a bad cap situation you can't afford a $6.5M veteran defensemen as your safety net. This is the reality that the Rangers are in.

So then buy out Staal or Smith and trade Namestnikov to a cap floor team along with an asset or two

 

[Bob Richards]

So how much cap is tied up in Staal, Shattenkirk and Girardi in 2020-21?

RIP

 

[Raspewtin]

trade Strome for literally nothing. a conditional 7th. i don’t care.

buyout smith. i still wouldn’t have preferred it to a staal but shatt had a real chance to rebound with value.

or buyout staalled brain development and replace his slug ass with a league minimum player.

it’s not as “easy” as shatt but could’ve been done. i don’t buy that they wanted to
avoid a buyout, this was their plan the whole time regardless of other moves.

 

[GAGLine]

This was also the other huge downside to buying out Shattenkirk. This is just poor management when there are much worse players to have gotten rid of on this team. They should've made Fox pay his dues and earn that spot.

Smith can and has played the right side for us. He can't do it well, but neither can Shattenkirk. If Fox isn't ready, Smith will play. If he is, Smith will be the 7th dman or 13th forward.

 

[Alluckks]

Then attach an asset to/retain on Namestnikov and get someone to take him. Or have some foresight and buy Strome out when it was advantageous

And if they had done more to clear space earlier in the summer, this wouldn’t have been an issue. Gorton is patient but he waits till the last second.

Same **** happened last summer. We all expected Namestnikov or Spooner to go and they just signed them to deals cause they had no other options at the last second.

Also newsflash, they’re probably going to “give” Kreider away at the deadline. He’s going to go for a late first and Average/good prospect, not exactly some great haul

This is some head in dirt analysis

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Why are we all so certain that Kreider is still here when camp starts?

 

[GAGLine]

So how much cap is tied up in Staal, Shattenkirk and Girardi in 2020-21?

RIP

It's 600k less than it would have been if we didn't buy out Shattenkirk. You guys are acting like we are adding dead weight.

 

[NewLife]

Worst possible decision that could have been made. Even worse reporting. Might be time to fire every single NYR reporter and bring in a bunch of new ones.

Why? It's perfect that Gorton are able to control them to his gain.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Wouldn't mind Petrovic on a 1 year $1MM deal so Fox isn't rushed into playing at the NHL level.

 

[TheTakedown]

Also possible that the league sees Shattenkirk and Smith as equal value trade assets.... Not saying we do, but the rangers get max cap relief right now with one move, they get another year to bump up Smith's value, plus the ability to play Smith on Both sides, or send him to the A.

 

[Trxjw]

A Shattenkirk buyout certainly does not mean they're handing a spot to Fox. The Rangers will add another veteran defensemen on a cheap contract. It'll either be as a part of a Kreider/Names/etc trade or will be done with the cap space that move frees up. Girardi, McQuaid, Lovejoy and Petrovic are all still out there as UFA's and are staring down camp invites or cheap 1 year deals.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Smith can and has played the right side for us. He can't do it well, but neither can Shattenkirk. If Fox isn't ready, Smith will play. If he is, Smith will be the 7th dman or 13th forward.

Smith has tried and has sucked at RD, and I'm sorry, that neither can Shattenkirk take is a poor opinion. I don't see any realistic argument you can make that justifies playing Smith over Shattenkirk at RD this year. If Fox isn't ready, Shattenkirk should have been playing in that spot, especially since his contract becomes easily movable next summer once we pay his signing bonus.

 

[Don Chytil]

Is it though? A team with Panarin, Zibanejad, Trouba, Skjei and Lundqvist is still a rebuilding team?

Yes. The rebuild is done when Lundqvist and the bad contracts are off the books in 2021-22. Panarin and Trouba were signed for that future. To be the vets on the team when Kakko, Kravtsov, Shesty, and the rest of the kids are emerging as stars. If Zib fits with the core we'll lock him up long term before his contract expires in 2023.

Skjei's contract is a potential issue if he doesn't pick up his play, but hopefully in the future the cap will rise and $5.25m/year won't look bad.

 

[Doctyl]

Why are we all so certain that Kreider is still here when camp starts?

The only reason to buyout Shattenkirk is that you dont like the deals that are on the table right now. They probably hold Kreider until the deadline.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The only reason to buyout Shattenkirk is that you dont like the deals that are on the table right now. They probably hold Kreider until the deadline.

If thats the case, this take away every bit of leverage another team had.

I mean they may hold on until then, but I don't see how this makes it any more likely that he stays.

 

[Trxjw]

So then buy out Staal or Smith and trade Namestnikov to a cap floor team along with an asset or two

Namestnikov makes $4M so isn't a desirable addition to a cap floor team. Why would the Rangers pay to have another team take the player when there's rumored to be interest in him and it's far easier to simply buy out Shattenkirk?

 

[Don Chytil]

trade Strome for literally nothing. a conditional 7th. i don’t care.

How many teams have the cap space to take on Strome? Why spend $3m on him, even if the cost is only a 7th? There's no market for him right now. Or Names. That's the reality of the situation. You know when there absolutely could be a market for them? At the deadline.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Yes. The rebuild is done when Lundqvist and the bad contracts are off the books in 2021-22. Panarin and Trouba were signed for that future. To be the vets on the team when Kakko, Kravtsov, Shesty, and the rest of the kids are emerging as stars. If Zib fits with the core we'll lock him up long term before his contract expires in 2023.

Skjei's contract is a potential issue if he doesn't pick up his play, but hopefully in the future the cap will rise and $5.25m/year won't look bad.

I don't agree. I'm not saying this is a win-first team, but you cannot call this team as still rebuilding

 

[KOVALEV022473]

I think it's kinda amazing that no one on the Rangers corrected any media members, instead just let them make asses of themselves.

The media doing what the media does.

 

[Doctyl]

If thats the case, this take away every bit of leverage another team had.

I mean they may hold on until then, but I don't see how this makes it any more likely that he stays.

right, other teams were probably trying to put Gorton in a corner and he said f*** that. It takes away all their leverage at the expense of some cap next season.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Namestnikov makes $4M so isn't a desirable addition to a cap floor team. Why would the Rangers pay to have another team take the player when there's rumored to be interest in him and it's far easier to simply buy out Shattenkirk?

Wait, what? There's rumored interest in Names? So then why not trade him!!?! Rid yourself of 4M and then buy out Smith and you save the same amount as you do with the Shattenkirk buyout but with much better cap implications for the future.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

right, other teams were probably trying to put Gorton in a corner and he said **** that. It takes away all their leverage at the expense of some cap next season.

Right.

This move basically allows JG to tell anyone low balling them to say "hey, that shit was cute, but get serious or GTFO"

Maybe that scares some teams off, but I don't see that as a lock.

 

[CaptTennille]

trade Strome for literally nothing. a conditional 7th. i don’t care.

buyout smith. i still wouldn’t have preferred it to a staal but shatt had a real chance to rebound with value.

or buyout staalled brain development and replace his slug ass with a league minimum player.

it’s not as “easy” as shatt but could’ve been done. i don’t buy that they wanted to
avoid a buyout, this was their plan the whole time regardless of other moves.

I think the cap situation was effecting the leverage NYR had in trading players that actually had value, and the front office decided to crunch the numbers and move forward with the known extent of the self-inflicted buyout wound than bank on the possibility of Shattenkirk rebounding.


I'm not saying it was the right move, I'm just saying that Gorton seems to favor certainty over moving forward with unknown variables at play, however painful it may be.

 

[Doctyl]

So....when was/is the buyout window?