Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXXVIII: Preparing for a huge letdown

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Especially since the Rangers have yet to sign anyone.

This free agent market outside of Shattenkirk sucks, so signing anyone on this market would be a bad move (unless its one year).

 

[GregSirico]

Yeah but the Yankees never had a losing season. They stayed decent and watchable.

Going scorched Earth is usually a terrible idea.

They got Judge 21st overall and got Torres and Frazier in trades. It's not like they were getting lottery picks.

Baseball is a little different ... you can find so many good players late in rounds. Hockey is usually top heavy in a draft and then lots of potential throughout.

 

[Thirty One]

Stick too bad jokes and non funny memes serious talk doesn't really work for you

Am I to(o) understand you have no counterpoint?

 

[Machinehead]

To get a Torres, Frazier, Sheffield, we would need to trade McDonagh, Zucc. I don't see that happening anytime soon. Going half-ass doesn't make sense.

While they were "rebuilding," the Yankees acquired Gregorius, Castro, Tanaka, Ellsbury, Miller, and Chapman.

Isn't that half-assing it?

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Baseball is a little different ... you can find so many good players late in rounds. Hockey is usually top heavy in a draft and then lots of potential throughout.

There's a much bigger chance tho that a draft pick in MLB flames out over a "sure thing" in the NHL/NFL tho. Baseball is the hardest sport to draft in other than getting like 40 rounds to do it.. too many things can go wrong, injuries, player not committing, etc.

 

[GregSirico]

Or we have 2-3 that just haven't matured to that level yet

I like your optimism.

 

[GregSirico]

There's a much bigger chance tho that a draft pick in MLB flames out over a "sure thing" in the NHL/NFL tho. Baseball is the hardest sport to draft in other than getting like 40 rounds to do it.. too many things can go wrong, injuries, player not committing, etc.

That is very fair.

 

[Thirty One]

Especially since the Rangers have yet to sign anyone.

Useless Rangers sitting on their behinds.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

While they were "rebuilding," the Yankees acquired Gregorius, Castro, Tanaka, Ellsbury, Miller, and Chapman.

Isn't that half-assing it?

Tanaka was a young ace at the time they had to have because they needed that SP they could rely on (before this year anyway lol).

Gregorious was 24 when we traded for him.

Castro was 26 and they got him for a RP.

Ellsbury.. nothing there lol..

Chapman was traded for to be flipped if out of contention (worked) and was signed to be ready to have someone at the back end when the Yankees were ready to compete again..

make no mistake about it, what the Yankees did is a rebuild.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Tanaka was a young ace at the time they had to have because they needed that SP they could rely on (before this year anyway lol).

Gregorious was 24 when we traded for him.

Castro was 26 and they got him for a RP.

Ellsbury.. nothing there lol..

Chapman was traded for to be flipped if out of contention (worked) and was signed to be ready to have someone at the back end when the Yankees were ready to compete again..

make no mistake about it, what the Yankees did is a rebuild.

They did rebuild but they did not tank. I think that is what Machinehead is basically pointing towards.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I like your optimism.

Hope is free

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

They did rebuild but they did not tank. I think that is what Machinehead is basically pointing towards.

I don't want to "tank" either, I do recognize that some players have top value tho (much like Andrew miller and chapman did for the Yankees) and are going to be older when their next contract is due..

I'm not trading Mcdonagh for picks no.. if they got a young C like Mackinnon tho? (just an example). Yep.. I'm not trading Zucc for picks either.. a young defenseman like a Trouba tho? Yep.

 

[cheech70]

Call me crazy but JT in the pivot is not a bad option. Last year he killed penalty's and took important faceoffs. The year before he never killed penalty's ..and he was good. He is an aggressive forechecker so he needs a responsible wing. If its me JT first line with whoever to start camp. Then we can maybe sneak in a winger(which should be easier).

 

[NikC]

Am I to(o) understand you have no counterpoint?

Funny. .. wait ... not...

OK the Rangers PP has been fine in postseason no need for a 50p PP QB...

 

[DanielBrassard]

While they were "rebuilding," the Yankees acquired Gregorius, Castro, Tanaka, Ellsbury, Miller, and Chapman.

Isn't that half-assing it?

I don't think I would classify them as "rebuilding" until around the deadline last season. When Hal gave Cashman the green light to sell off Miller, Chapman, and Beltran. Also they were half-assing trying to get under the luxury tax, and how did that work out? It didn't, they were stuck in mediocrity until now.

 

[Machinehead]

Tanaka was a young ace at the time they had to have because they needed that SP they could rely on (before this year anyway lol).

Gregorious was 24 when we traded for him.

Castro was 26 and they got him for a RP.

Ellsbury.. nothing there lol..

Chapman was traded for to be flipped if out of contention (worked) and was signed to be ready to have someone at the back end when the Yankees were ready to compete again..

make no mistake about it, what the Yankees did is a rebuild.

Sure, it was a rebuild but they did it the right way. It was "let's flip pieces we can replace, make reasonable signings, and win 85 games."

It wasn't "let's trade core pieces that there's no realistic replacement for and suck for a few years."

I was absolutely in favor of flipping Grabner at the deadline, for example, when his value was through the roof. If that meant the first round instead of the second round, then fine.

But then people talk about trading McDonagh. Our chances of finding another bonafide #1 defenseman laying around are slim and none, and even if we do, we'd just be using our precious lottery picks to replace McDonagh. We're potentially creating a 10-year problem.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Useless Rangers sitting on their behinds.

Would you rather them sit on their heads?

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Sure, it was a rebuild but they did it the right way. It was "let's flip pieces we can replace, make reasonable signings, and win 85 games."

It wasn't "let's trade core pieces that there's no realistic replacement for and suck for a few years."

fair point.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Call me crazy but JT in the pivot is not a bad option. Last year he killed penalty's and took important faceoffs. The year before he never killed penalty's ..and he was good. He is an aggressive forechecker so he needs a responsible wing. If its me JT first line with whoever to start camp. Then we can maybe sneak in a winger(which should be easier).

You are not crazy. JT can handle draws. JT can carry the mail and distribute. Once inside the other teams blueline there are no positions. So basically it comes down to can JT handle the center position in our own end of the ice. If he had 2 good wingers I think he could learn it.

 

[Avery16]

Is there anyone here who would leave 10 mil on the table to live and work in NYC?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I think if we don't sign shattenkirk, there will be at least one notable trade made before the season starts

I still think there's a chance we sign him, though. A small chance.

 

[Machinehead]

Is there anyone here who would leave 10 mil on the table to live and work in NYC?

If I was going to make millions anyway?

No question, I would.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Sure, it was a rebuild but they did it the right way. It was "let's flip pieces we can replace, make reasonable signings, and win 85 games."

It wasn't "let's trade core pieces that there's no realistic replacement for and suck for a few years."

I was absolutely in favor of flipping Grabner at the deadline, for example, when his value was through the roof. If that meant the first round instead of the second round, then fine.

But then people talk about trading McDonagh. Our chances of finding another bonafide #1 defenseman laying around are slim and none, and even if we do, we'd just be using our precious lottery picks to replace McDonagh. We're potentially creating a 10-year problem.

When did the Yankees flip pieces outside of last deadline? They kept Cano, kept Granderson, bought Prado, Headley, and McCarthy in 2014, almost traded Mateo for Kimbrel in 2015. The Yankees had no core pieces to trade, unless you want to count Gardner.

 

[Ghost of jas]

If I was going to make millions anyway?

No question, I would.

Especially if I went to a company that treated me much better than its competitors.

 

[Machinehead]

When did the Yankees flip pieces outside of last deadline? They kept Cano, kept Granderson, bought Prado, Headley, and McCarthy in 2014, almost traded Mateo for Kimbrel in 2015. The Yankees had no core pieces to trade, unless you want to count Gardner.

They didn't. And we shouldn't either.