Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXXVI:

[TheBPA]

You have no idea what his contract is going to be. If it is 7x7 then he wont be signing with us. If its closer to $6 million then I am willing to bite the bullet. Shattenkirk's game is not falling off in the near future. Its **** poor to put DeAngelo in a position of #1 D responsibilities. It is a disservice to his personal development.

We had ZERO offensive RHD of any quality for the last several years. Now we have the chance to have two and people are seriously *****ing about it? When all it would cost us is dollars? Because be would be "redundant?" I didnt know we should put all our chips in the middle and only have one available for us to strategize and compete with.

Yeah I haven't seen anyone advocating for signing shatty to a 7x7 deal. At 6 mil i think most of the board is in.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

You don't think Shattenkirk is coming here?

I don't think the Rangers cleared all that cap space to wrap it up in a single player, no.

Plus you have the most reputable sources in the industry echoing the same thing, not hard to put 2 and 2 together.

 

[RGY]

Yeah I haven't seen anyone advocating for signing shatty to a 7x7 deal. At 6 mil i think most of the board is in.

Its a reading comprehension problem that happens all too often on these boards. People just assume and speak without thinking.

If it was 7x7 I absolutely am not on board. But closer to 6 and im interested.

If we dont get him I wont be upset but to say we shouldnt be interested and talking to him for the reasons being listed, I just cannot agree with at all.

 

[Savant]

Ugh. I can't wait until Sunday

 

[GregSirico]

I don't think the Rangers cleared all that cap space to wrap it up in a single player, no.

Plus you have the most reputable sources in the industry echoing the same thing, not hard to put 2 and 2 together.

If that's the case, then we should be in the transition / rebuild mode more than this 'on the fly' nonsense.

 

[RGY]

If that's the case, then we should be in the transition / rebuild mode more than this 'on the fly' nonsense.

They are rebuilding on the fly. Just wait until July 1st.

 

[rangers1314]

I wonder if the NYR are waiting to put Nash on the market until they get the final answer from Thornton.

Considering their friendship, I'd imagine the odds of JT coming here would be reduced to zero if Nash were to be moved.

 

[NYR Viper]

Is that why they really traded Hjalmersson though? I thought they were in cap hell and he was just one of the bigger salaries that they were able to move. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong because I could have missed it.

I just don't see McDonagh as an issue. Even at 30. Girardi has multiple teams courting him, Staal would have a few teams looking at him if he was UFA. I wouldn't be surprised if the NTC is the only thing holding up a trade at 50%. But McDonagh is going to be a problem at 30?

Ultimately, I agree. I would trade anyone for the right return. I would hold out for a legit #1, young center though. We seem to be building up our D prospects.

They got almost no cap relief by adding Connor Murphy though

 

[offdacrossbar]

shattenkirk is no longer the necessity he was last spring. JG can now be more selective and cautious. he's able to negotiate from a stronger position now.

we now have cap space and they intend to use it and maximize it on the best combination of players.

deangelo plays a similar role to shatty and in fact, may well be the better option on the right side and on the pp point when compared to the $ and term that reportedly shattenkirk is seeking. this is a team that must return value to the roster both is production and cost for that production.

guys like denagelo, buchnevich, vesey, bereglazov and perhaps boo nieves all fall into that category.

if you havent seen deangelo play, he's got a high end offensive skill set. he's a pp guy. you ask him and he says "im a puck moving offensive dman who can play the pp point". sound familiar ?

to compete today, good teams need to have elc players making big time contributions. it cant just be a team full of expensive vets and 2nd contract players. and factor in that many of those "types" of players on this roster were so-so performers. big $$ contract + average performance is a team killer.

if im JG, i take a look at whats out there in 3C and 4C and pencil them into this roster and see what makes sense. do you add a player on a 2 yr deal or go in house ?

i think he also brings back brendan smith on a favorable 4x4 deal. he adds a dimension and a dynamic we lack- theres the words again that JG used when he described the deangelo acquisition.

if you have smith in the fold and deangelo as well, do you need shattenkirk at 6 for 7 or even 6 ?

27/42
76/77
18/bereglazov
kampfer

thats the way i see it shaking out.

let kk walk to clear cap
trade holden for a pick and to clear space
move nash (if theres a legit offer) to clear more cap and add a player and picks

then JG spends some money on a smart f/a's to fill holes.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I wonder if the NYR are waiting to put Nash on the market until they get the final answer from Thornton.

Considering their friendship, I'd imagine the odds of JT coming here would be reduced to zero if Nash were to be moved.

I would think we are out on Thornton. If he wants 3 years, we won't tie up a 2nd or 3rd line center spot that long with the 2 1st rounders we just drafted. 1 will most likely be on the team next year. If he settles on less than 3 years, he'll be a shark. That's my take at least.

I think with Nash teams wait for the free agency dust to settle and see what space they have, what needs they have. We may also be in a position where his value is greatest closer to the trade deadline.

 

[DutchShamrock]

They got almost no cap relief by adding Connor Murphy though

Well, there you go. Good point.

 

[Trxjw]

I still think that the Thornton and Marleau rumors are just posturing through the media in negotiations with the Sharks. At least I'm very hopeful that they are.

Sign Smith. Sign Grigorenko or Burmistrov. Sign Wingels or play Jensen.

Kreider - Zib - Zucc
Nash - Hayes - Miller
Vesey - Grigorenko/Burmistrov - Grabner
Wingels/Jensen - Kid - Fast

McD - Smith
Skjei - Holden
Staal - DeAngelo
Kampfer

See if Bereglazov can crack the team out of camp. If so, move Skjei to the right and bump Staal up a pair.

Play out half the season and see what the team looks like. See if one of Zib, Hayes, or Miller can start to establish themselves as a viable #1C. See if DeAngelo can make a leap forward. See how the guys like Pionk, Bereglazov and Pedrie handle their first full season with the org. Just evaluate what we have.

Nash can be dealt at any time. So can Zucc or Grabner. Teams are always looking for help during the season and when they approach the deadline those prices go up. If Nash is pacing for a big season, what's the going rate for a 30 goal scoring winger who can kill penalties? How about if the Rangers eat 50% and don't care what contract you send back? They could make a killing at the deadline.

 

[eco's bones]

shattenkirk is no longer the necessity he was last spring. JG can now be more selective and cautious. he's able to negotiate from a stronger position now.

we now have cap space and they intend to use it and maximize it on the best combination of players.

deangelo plays a similar role to shatty and in fact, may well be the better option on the right side and on the pp point when compared to the $ and term that reportedly shattenkirk is seeking. this is a team that must return value to the roster both is production and cost for that production.

guys like denagelo, buchnevich, vesey, bereglazov and perhaps boo nieves all fall into that category.

if you havent seen deangelo play, he's got a high end offensive skill set. he's a pp guy. you ask him and he says "im a puck moving offensive dman who can play the pp point". sound familiar ?

to compete today, good teams need to have elc players making big time contributions. it cant just be a team full of expensive vets and 2nd contract players. and factor in that many of those "types" of players on this roster were so-so performers. big $$ contract + average performance is a team killer.

if im JG, i take a look at whats out there in 3C and 4C and pencil them into this roster and see what makes sense. do you add a player on a 2 yr deal or go in house ?

i think he also brings back brendan smith on a favorable 4x4 deal. he adds a dimension and a dynamic we lack- theres the words again that JG used when he described the deangelo acquisition.

if you have smith in the fold and deangelo as well, do you need shattenkirk at 6 for 7 or even 6 ?

27/42
76/77
18/bereglazov
kampfer

thats the way i see it shaking out.

let kk walk to clear cap
trade holden for a pick and to clear space
move nash (if theres a legit offer) to clear more cap and add a player and picks

then JG spends some money on a smart f/a's to fill holes.

I seriously doubt Kampfer's going to be their 7th D and if Staal is a regular (and hopefully he rebounds from a pretty **** season then) I'd be more inclined to pair him with DeAngelo and Skjei with Bereglazov which would give us a PMD on each pair. I'd rather Skjei keep pushing the play than covering for DeAngelo when he's pushing the play.

Back to Staal--if I had to choose between him and Holden right now I would choose Holden.

 

[silverfish]

Expecting DeAngelo to replace what Shattenkirk would bring to this team, or relatively due to AAV, shows a complete lack of understanding of what Shattenkirk is as a player, and totally ignores his effectiveness in his own zone.

A lot of faith in a will-be 22 year-old who has yet to show he can stick in the NHL as anything more than a PP specialist.

 

[Off Sides]

Even if they are rebuilding or prioritizing draft and development, they'd still need some vets around to insulate, buy some time.

Nash, Zucc, Staal, Grabner, McD, Holden, maybe Klein if healthy are what they are and can be around until the deadline before they are pending UFAs.

Nash, Grabner, Holden, maybe Klein could all be sold this deadline

Everyone is all amped up about the 2018 draft, what could the Rangers get back for those players?


On the flip side, what are their chances to make the finals or win a cup just by adding a couple UFAs? Is Nash going to finally have that 24 or so game playoff run where he goes near a point per game? Or any other forwards? The D is going to be so good to limit the other teams?

If they go that route it would be the same thing they have been doing, relying on Lundqvist to steal a whole playoff run and while that works to a point, eventually they always run into another team who has enough offensive weapons that even Lundqvist can not save them.

Opinions vary but them being a possible wild card team, winning a round if even that based on match-up and goalie, I just don't find that to be all that entertaining.

They need some elite skaters, some sort of core that has a chance to go near to a point per game in the playoffs, and/or a D core that has a chance to shut down the other team and add their own offense if they are ever going to really contend with the best of the best.

I question if they can get there without fully tanking, but at least I'd be more entertained by seeing if they can do it rather than already pretty much knowing how every playoffs is going to end while they await the next buyout.

Yet I do not really expect them to go that route, I half, well more than half expect them to just throw money around to try to fill all the holes they have in their roster. And I believe it will end up the same as it has been, maybe a decent team, one of which can make the playoffs, no great feat considering ~1/2 the league does, but not good enough to really end up anywhere but as 1st/2nd round fodder.

Regardless which way they go, I hope they pick that direction and go all in, there does not need to be some slow downward spiral. If they believe Lundqvist has another couple years left in him, then just go for it without reservation, at least then they are going to force themselves into a real rebuild whether that plan works or not.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'd much rather Burmistrov than Grigs.

I 100% agree with this

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Welp, since the Around the NHL thread is temporarily closed, I figure I'll just dump this here...

 

[NYR Viper]

McDavid rumored to be signing for $13.25m. Draisatl will be up there.

When McDavid's contract kicks in they need to also sign:
Strome
Slepyshev
Caggiula
Pakrinen
Nurse
Benning

That's a 12+ million dollar raise per season for McDavid.

RNH will be dealt. They aren't in much of a position to make demands

 

[RGY]

Expecting DeAngelo to replace what Shattenkirk would bring to this team, or relatively due to AAV, shows a complete lack of understanding of what Shattenkirk is as a player, and totally ignores his effectiveness in his own zone.

A lot of faith in a will-be 22 year-old who has yet to show he can stick in the NHL as anything more than a PP specialist.

This.

Really hoping DeAngelo becomes something very special. But he still has a lot to prove and is not there yet.

A lot of people definitely do not understand what Shattenkirk is. And anyone who thinks DeAngelo is sufficient is much more than just misguided.

 

[NYR Viper]

Well, there you go. Good point.

When I saw the deal go down I thought, must be for cap relief, but there is a minimal amount of that in that deal. There still in cap hell

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

believe he actually has already been emergency call coupla times
yeah, needs to learn more from experience once he gets here, but deserves a chance

He was an emergency call up because he was the closest, he was with Greenville at the time and Hartford was playing away that week.

Halverson is very very far from NHL ready and most likely never will be, you are just looking at his draft position and thinking he can be backup.

 

[silverfish]

This.

Really hoping DeAngelo becomes something very special. But he still has a lot to prove and is not there yet.

A lot of people definitely do not understand what Shattenkirk is. And anyone who thinks DeAngelo is sufficient is much more than just misguided.

Shattenkirk is painted as this PP specialist who can't play defense and it just couldn't be farther from the truth. It was funny reading the boards in the playoffs when posters here actually started watching Shattenkirk play. He got hung out to dry by Orpik on a 2-on-1 that resulted in a goal, and HFNYR blew up going "TOLD YA, SHATTENKIRK IS TERRIBLE". Classic. Fool-proof analysis of a player's complete career being judged on a play that wasn't even analyzed correctly.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Welp, since the Around the NHL thread is temporarily closed, I figure I'll just dump this here...

He's worth it. Hopefully we can stop pretending Stepan had a "bad contract" now. He is easily worth 50% of max on the open market.

 

[offdacrossbar]

Expecting DeAngelo to replace what Shattenkirk would bring to this team, or relatively due to AAV, shows a complete lack of understanding of what Shattenkirk is as a player, and totally ignores his effectiveness in his own zone.

A lot of faith in a will-be 22 year-old who has yet to show he can stick in the NHL as anything more than a PP specialist.

shattenkrik at 6/7 or even 6/6

i pass. i like him for less $ or term but not for the above. not anymore.

maybe last spring i do that deal. but not now. with deangelo (whom i have more confidence in than you) on board and skjei developing his 2 way game, im not as infatuated with shattenkirk and his contract.

i want to keep 27 here- and see him play less pp minutes or none at all, i want to see 76 continue to develop and i want to resign 42.

if shattenkirk can be added for a fairl deal, then im all in, otherwise, im banking on JG making a better decision than giving 22 a **** ton of cash for the next 7 years.

 

[GAGLine]

to compete today, good teams need to have elc players making big time contributions. it cant just be a team full of expensive vets and 2nd contract players. and factor in that many of those "types" of players on this roster were so-so performers. big $$ contract + average performance is a team killer.

This should be stickied.

In order to have those ELC players making big contributions, teams need a strong farm system. That is the reality of the NHL with the salary cap. Having a steady supply of players like Brady Skjei and Pavel Buchevich means we don't have to re-sign players like Girardi and Staal, players who are on the downside of their career, or will be very soon, and will end up being bad contracts.

Fans want the team to compete every year. The only way to do it is with a strong farm system. You bring the young guys in, let them learn until they can take the place of the vets, and the vets get traded for more young guys. Some vets will be kept, of course, but the team has to be smart about which vets they keep and for how long.

Look at LA. They re-signed both Brown and Gaborik after beating us in the finals. Now both of those contracts are anchors weighing down the franchise. LA has only made the playoffs once in the 3 years since and lost in 5 games to SJ in the 1st round.

If teams want to avoid being bad, they have to avoid giving out bad contracts, and the best way to do that is with a steady influx of young talent.