Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXXVI:

[rangers1314]

Tweet from Aaron Portzline - Do I see Rick Nash wearing a #CBJ sweater again before his career ends? Yeah. Yeah, I could see it. And I think others feel the same way.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Tweet from Aaron Portzline - Do I see Rick Nash wearing a #CBJ sweater again before his career ends? Yeah. Yeah, I could see it. And I think others feel the same way.

He's probably thinking that when he's a FA.

 

[RGY]

One day people will understand how the salary cap works.

What does the salary cap have to do with his opinion on Mac? I dont see the connection.

 

[RangerBoy]

Elliotte Friedman believes it's Columbus or San Jose for Kovalchuk but it appears Columbus is a very viable option with Panarin in Columbus. He also reported Columbus is all in for the next two seasons.

 

[Savant]

What does the salary cap have to do with his opinion on Mac? I dont see the connection.

Because it's insane to deem a player untouchable who is going to command that much salary through a probable rebuild. There are plenty of NHL GM's who haven't figured it out either. The only argument for keeping McDonagh is his name.

Overpaying a player who is going to be out of his prime is what kills salary caps. NBA teams realize this now too but it took them years to figure it out. The NHL hasn't evolved to that point yet. You don't pay for past performance. Especially if the team's window is closed.

 

[Mac n Gs]

 

[GregSirico]

Interesting.

Probably after his contract here?

 

[GregSirico]

Yeah, but did they even take any good defenseman or did they let their teams keep them all?.. Who is even their best dman?

Me and you could be their top pairing.

 

[Lion Hound]

A business associate of mine does business with the Rangers. They just did something with Mac Truck, and Mac Truck sent a token of his appreciation to my associate.

This was maybe 5 days ago.

I'll leave you all to your conjecture. They aren't trading Mac Truck.

Kickbacks are a RESPA violation!

 

[TheBPA]

Because it's insane to deem a player untouchable who is going to command that much salary through a probable rebuild. There are plenty of NHL GM's who haven't figured it out either. The only argument for keeping McDonagh is his name.

Overpaying a player who is going to be out of his prime is what kills salary caps. NBA teams realize this now too but it took them years to figure it out. The NHL hasn't evolved to that point yet. You don't pay for past performance. Especially if the team's window is closed.

Ok. The issue is that the NHL hasn't "evolved" to the point where it makes sense to trade McD for kadri, Tyler Johnson or trocheck. Ok.

 

[Savant]

Ok. The issue is that the NHL hasn't "evolved" to the point where it makes sense to trade McD for kadri, Tyler Johnson or trocheck. Ok.

I'm not proposing 1 on 1 deals. The Rangers would need more assists. But their goal should absolutely be to get a legitimate center back in any deal.

 

[NewLife]

I'll vomit if the Rangers give the Devils assets for Kovalchuk.

I mean Staal and a 2nd is alright?

 

[TheGuarantee]

Interesting.

He then follows up on how he doesn't think this year, or even next year. He's just a Nash fanboy daydreaming on twitter. Yawn

 

[Maximus]

this makes sense too. i feel we as Ranger fans are trying any way to squeeze another chance to get to the finals. any way to sneak that elusive championship before the hank era is over and we blow it all up.

I can't ever see us just "blow it all up"...just can't.

Even when Hank era is over in let's say 3 years, I'd not be surprised we'll somehow still have solid goaltending with a Shevy or maybe even a Nilsson who we hopefully sign July 1, a guy who I think Allaire would do wonders with as that dude is uber talented.

I'm firmly in the camp that JG is going about this in the right way. Signing Shatty and Smith IMO is essential for our prospects going forward. Our back end was so horribad last year and we still should have made it to the ECF. That's the top priority even with the dealing of Steps.

July 1 can't get here soon enough.

Fix the defense and we go from there.

 

[GregSirico]

I can't ever see us just "blow it all up"...just can't.

Even when Hank era is over in let's say 3 years, I'd not be surprised we'll somehow still have solid goaltending with a Shevy or maybe even a Nilsson who we hopefully sign July 1, a guy who I think Allaire would do wonders with as that dude is uber talented.

I'm firmly in the camp that JG is going about this in the right way. Signing Shatty and Smith IMO is essential for our prospects going forward. Our back end was so horribad last year and we still should have made it to the ECF. That's the top priority even with the dealing of Steps.

July 1 can't get here soon enough.

Fix the defense and we go from there.

Would you agree if they are out on Shatty, then this is more than just 'we weren't interested in him at x price' ?

 

[Maximus]

Would you agree if they are out on Shatty, then this is more than just 'we weren't interested in him at x price' ?

Yeah I would. I'd be really really shocked tho if he's not wearing a #22 Ranger unie when training camp starts tho.

That said, I don't think JG wants to go past 6.5 x 6 for Shatty. Would you go to 7.0 x 5 for him? I'd be tempted but I'd really not want too. No way do I want to go 7.0 x 6. To be honest, I don't want to see the #7 in anything we do with Shatty as much as I'd love him on our team.

Yes we have alot of money at our disposal but we have be smart about it. I trust JG here and that he'll persuade Shatty to come here for less than 7.0. Lord I hope so.

Do you want to pay Shatty more than 7 per for 6? If Shatty would do 5 years, I'd give him 6.99 just so I didn't see a 7....lol

 

[GregSirico]

Yeah I would. I'd be really really shocked tho if he's not wearing a #22 Ranger unie when training camp starts tho.

That said, I don't think JG wants to go past 6.5 x 6 for Shatty. Would you go to 7.0 x 5 for him? I'd be tempted but I'd really not want too. No way do I want to go 7.0 x 6. To be honest, I don't want to see the #7 in anything we do with Shatty as much as I'd love him on our team.

Yes we have alot of money at our disposal but we have be smart about it. I trust JG here and that he'll persuade Shatty to come here for less than 7.0. Lord I hope so.

Do you want to pay Shatty more than 7 per for 6? If Shatty would do 5 years, I'd give him 6.99 just so I didn't see a 7....lol

You prob wouldn't want me as the GM, I would have blown the core up after the TB series. To me that one was more indicative of 'the last hurrah' ... but I'd keep the core. Trading for Zib was brilliant, signing Vesey, Buchnevich, Hayes, Miller, Skjei, Kreider. All of them would have been my foundation I built off of. I would have asked Hank if he wanted to be traded to a team that could go for another run and grant him whatever he wanted. I would try to move Nash and Zuccarello since they have a lot of value to teams trying to make a run. But that's just me.

 

[Maximus]

Question for my Ranger goombas here:

If on July 1 JG does this would you be content?

1. Sign Shatty to a 6.75 x 6 UFA contract

2. Sign Smith to a 4.25 x 4 contract

3. Sign Gagner to 2.5 x 3 contract

4. Sign Nilsson to a 1.5 x 3 contract

5. Sign R White to a 1.2 x 2 contract

After that JG calls it a day. Me personally, that would be a phenomenal July 1 and we'd still have a decent amount of salary cap space left over and we'd once again be one of the better teams in the East and with some luck possibly an ECF or better in our future. And JG will have restocked the farm system.

 

[JayMan82]

Question for my Ranger goombas here:

If on July 1 JG does this would you be content?

1. Sign Shatty to a 6.75 x 6 UFA contract

2. Sign Smith to a 4.25 x 4 contract

3. Sign Gagner to 2.5 x 3 contract

4. Sign Nilsson to a 1.5 x 3 contract

5. Sign R White to a 1.2 x 2 contract

After that JG calls it a day. Me personally, that would be a phenomenal July 1 and we'd still have a decent amount of salary cap space left over and we'd once again be one of the better teams in the East and with some luck possibly an ECF or better in our future. And JG will have restocked the farm system.

I'd say all that minus the Shattenkirk deal. We would get significantly outbid by Buf/NJ (and maybe better off).

 

[bernmeister]

LOL at Halverson being our backup, he hasn't even looked good in the ECHL yet.

I guess Bern looked at where he was drafted and how many years passed since and figured out he's our next backup, laughable.

believe he actually has already been emergency call coupla times
yeah, needs to learn more from experience once he gets here, but deserves a chance

Pavelec is the worst goalie in the NHL, hope we don't get him

concur

The Islanders aren't moving to a different state.

Somewhere bout a year ago, thought I read here NHL would like to get a franchise in CT. Unfortunately, too late to help immediately w/Staal, as club went to LV

Unfortunately, Phaneuf is better than Staal.

concur

I think the move to make is McDonagh to Florida for Trocheck. They have an obvious need for 1LHD and some players to work with. They probably will need an additional offensive piece or two, but the Rangers can take back futures or RHD from them to get it done.

Trocheck is 23 and under contract until Summer 2022 at a very reasonable cost. There is your Stepan replacement that fits the retool.

Maybe something like McDonagh, Nash & Fast for Trocheck, Pysyk and 2018 1st.

Seems like good ROI to me.

McD should be sold now to max value.
Is that the highest return? Could be..... but let's see.

You can't give every roster spot to a 22-year old. You need experienced players. Look at Hartford

mid 20s/+ is one thing
Thornton, Williams are 35+ territory
live and learn

You only have a record of good judgment in your eyes because you fail to acknowledge when you were wrong. Two big whiffs off the top of my head were Hertl and Siemens. You wanted to give up half our team for Hertl and he isn't even a second liner.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=75336937&postcount=575

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=74721045&postcount=926

I think those are two of my favorites (of hundreds to pull from). Unfortunately, I think some of the Hertl proposals were lost when the site purged most of the threads prior to 2013.

Hertl = more than second liner, and that is with injuries
Siemens was usually a throw in, not principle piece. And he has been renewed.

My percentages I expect are not as negative as you wish to infer.

I think my favorite was when he tried to take credit for the Rangers not trading away Kreider so far, as if his posts are reviewed by Rangers management and acted upon.

I take credit for being a leading advocate as to Kreider, which I deserve given how many posters here foolishly wanted to move this guy, who is right now our best forward by far, AINEC

Never claimed any first hand connection to Rangers mgmt
Still have a nice reply ltr from Dave DeBusschere

...

"Gorton agrees with me"

I don't back down in the least from saying that, let's just be clear, it was never represented by me to be in the same way as Dave DeB did.
It was a general affirmation of what I had said about we need to get younger, faster, cheaper, etc.

Well, it's not as bad as "I went over the [insert teamname] board, proposed this and 1 of their fans accepted so it's a good offer"

Someone falsely said here that the other side would not possibly accept my prop. My actual comment, whatever it was, certainly was to say that despite a small sample available to date, there was indication the offer was reasonable to the other party.


by the way, I see you have returned after taking a whooping from the Stepan deal. You were so so so so sure he was not gonna be moved, unless only maybe there was massive overpayment.

YOU WERE PROVEN WRONG, AND WE WERE FORTUNATE TO GET THIS MUCH FROM AZ.

You continue to be critical
In the end, I will laugh last = laughs best.

Also claimed he was right about Stepan, not sure if he meant he called the actual proposal or what.

Of course when you propose hundreds of trades involving the player that losses a little of it's luster.

I was always right about Stepan.
He had value as to what he was, no more, no less.
But at all times since he established a benchmark of expected production, he was worth more to us in return than to keep.

In also said, unlike the ridiculous nonsense from Stepan devotees, that his value in 1:1 should be either, preferably Chychrun or the 7OA; add Raanta, etc, add accordingly

given that, I was not that off from the final actual trade.

If this is truly a concern, then Brendan Smith is the one who should be sacrificed. He's not nearly as unique as Shattenkirk, yet he costs 2/3rds the cost, or more.

But yeah, move Staal and sacrifice Smith, if you are that concerned about tying up too much money in your D. I would like to have a D full of puck movers -- McDonagh, Skjei, Shattenkirk, and DeAngelo can all be in my top 4. Round out with Bear Gloves, Pionk, Graves.

No
we have invested a 2nd + 3rd in Smith
MUST sign to recover value.
then can keep or trade
but must meet any reasonable # he wants

Contractually, Stepan was the only major older core piece that could be moved. Staal, Girardi, Hank, and Nash all have NTC's or NMC's on their contracts, which makes them difficult to move. Girardi is gone via buyout, that was basically the only caphit we could absorb this year. You wanted to talk about money-pucking the defense--it's kind of hard to do that when you have a $6.5M player who can't top 60 points taking up 9% of the salary cap, when you already have another ****** defender leftover from the prior GM's mess taking up 8% of the salary cap... There aren't many ways to find cap relief, Stepan was one of the few options we had. On top of that we got a stud D prospect out of it + the ability to sign Shattenkirk.

Next year when Nash is gone and Staal is moved at 50%, the cap situation looks even better. As much as I don't want Staal right now, keeping him for PK + 3rd pairing 5v5 duties is probably necessary. Staal knows his time is short. if there's a prospect that is ready to overtake him, the front office has shown commitments this offseason to get those guys playing time.

See what happens when objectivity speaks to truth....

Paying McDonagh's extension into a rebuild is salary cap suicide. Now is the time to get the best value.

It is not clear what the best deal is; it is clear that we have to move him or get screwed cap wise. Given that, logically the more production left on his term, the higher the return should be. Plus, don't wanna risk complication from injury.

Good thing we aren't rebuilding!

Call it rebuild, retool, whatever ya want
We ARE, and it IS happening
like it or not.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Question for my Ranger goombas here:

If on July 1 JG does this would you be content?

1. Sign Shatty to a 6.75 x 6 UFA contract

2. Sign Smith to a 4.25 x 4 contract

3. Sign Gagner to 2.5 x 3 contract

4. Sign Nilsson to a 1.5 x 3 contract

5. Sign R White to a 1.2 x 2 contract

After that JG calls it a day. Me personally, that would be a phenomenal July 1 and we'd still have a decent amount of salary cap space left over and we'd once again be one of the better teams in the East and with some luck possibly an ECF or better in our future. And JG will have restocked the farm system.

3 years for Gagner is awful, signing Ryan White in general is awful. Also, don't see the need for both Smith and Shattenkirk with the acquisition of De'Angelo.

McDonagh-Shattenkirk
Skjei-De'Angelo
Staal-Bereglazov/Holden/Pionk

Is fine.

I'd be fine with signing Shattenkirk for anything at or under 6.5M x 6. Nilsson would be an excellent pickup in general.

 

[bl02]

Question for my Ranger goombas here:

If on July 1 JG does this would you be content?

1. Sign Shatty to a 6.75 x 6 UFA contract

2. Sign Smith to a 4.25 x 4 contract

3. Sign Gagner to 2.5 x 3 contract

4. Sign Nilsson to a 1.5 x 3 contract

5. Sign R White to a 1.2 x 2 contract

After that JG calls it a day. Me personally, that would be a phenomenal July 1 and we'd still have a decent amount of salary cap space left over and we'd once again be one of the better teams in the East and with some luck possibly an ECF or better in our future. And JG will have restocked the farm system.

All those numbers seem fair. I think #4 is definitely a go. Maybe 2 years instead of 3 but not big deal.
Gagner put up good numbers but on a lethal powerplay. not sure if would put up same numbers with Rangers. he is fairly young (can't believe he's been in league for 10 years).
I wish shatty would take 6x6 or 6.75x5. I guess we will find out soon.

 

[bernmeister]

Question for my Ranger goombas here:

If on July 1 JG does this would you be content?

1. Sign Shatty to a 6.75 x 6 UFA contract

2. Sign Smith to a 4.25 x 4 contract

3. Sign Gagner to 2.5 x 3 contract

4. Sign Nilsson to a 1.5 x 3 contract

5. Sign R White to a 1.2 x 2 contract

After that JG calls it a day. Me personally, that would be a phenomenal July 1 and we'd still have a decent amount of salary cap space left over and we'd once again be one of the better teams in the East and with some luck possibly an ECF or better in our future. And JG will have restocked the farm system.

2 is spot on
no on 3, 4, 5
1 - I wanna overpay KS for 1 yr

 

[Rick Nash 61]

Would us offersheeting Draisaitl be possible in any stretch of the imagination? I think he's worth all those picks. He would fill our biggest hold and be the superstar #1C we've been wanting forever.. I'd give him $10 million++

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Would us offersheeting Draisaitl be possible in any stretch of the imagination? I think he's worth all those picks. He would fill our biggest hold and be the superstar #1C we've been wanting forever.. I'd give him $10 million++

Yup, they have 23M in cap space with only Zib and Fast of their own to sign, but they're not gonna OS anyone, its like a stupid unwritten rule.